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originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
So God has the ability to fast forward his future in his own mind and find out that yes he may have been a baby today but he will grow up into being a Vicious Wolf in the future
Are those the words of a cruel GOD?
Are these the words of a loving god?
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death.~Leviticus 21:9
Put to death because she had sex. A horribly painful death.
If someone did that today we would see it as murder. That person would be imprisoned. When you introduce divine command it becomes righteous.
The surrounding nations had their own temples and they would freely have prostitutes and the nation would be ridden with disease very painful diseases and a lot of people died especially when prostitution runs rampant
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
The surrounding nations had their own temples and they would freely have prostitutes and the nation would be ridden with disease very painful diseases and a lot of people died especially when prostitution runs rampant
So an all-powerful god's best solution is to condone the burning alive of prostitutes instead of just removing the very painful disease from existence?
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
The surrounding nations had their own temples and they would freely have prostitutes and the nation would be ridden with disease very painful diseases and a lot of people died especially when prostitution runs rampant
So an all-powerful god's best solution is to condone the burning alive of prostitutes instead of just removing the very painful disease from existence?
originally posted by: Cinrad
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
Found this on Yahoo answers
The word 'ether' comes from long ago. Back when radio was invented, people noticed that it could go through a vacuum, through space. In those days it was thought that a wave couldn't go through a vacuum--like a sound wave for instance, it has to have some medium to go through. So scientists developed the idea of 'ether', a sort of gelatin-like substance that exists throughout the universe, the medium that radio waves travel through (also light waves, xray, etc.). It was named after another very ancient concept that space was filled with very light, rarified elements called ether (or aether). That's where we get the word 'ethereal'.
Anyway, the whole concept was abandoned about 75 years ago, and people just accepted that radio waves can go through space. But Ethernet was named after that ether.
'Internet' means many networks linked together, which is just what the Internet is. If you have several networks that you connect together, that's called an internet. When it's capitalized, that's -the- Internet. Intranet is within a single network, like intranet mail. Like intermural and intramural sports.
I always thought it was the space between hard written data, like if you erase a message from your apparatus after it is sent and it is travelling the world's fibre optic cables and hasn't arrived where it is going yet and recorded on anything, then that message is in the ether. Great place to set science fiction stories.
Back on topic:
8 foxes culled to protect Queensland turtles
Kill the foxes? That's cruel isn't it?
(Note foxes are not native to Aus and kill a lot of wildlife whether it is endangered or not, cant tell them to kill only the plague rabbits and rats, they'll kill and eat anything they can).
And have you ever thought of this?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
Yes God is a murderer,even in your own example;
Then you see your children starting to die because of it, Now let's say you have the power to give your neighbors plenty of chances but after so many chances you have the power to destroy them because it is the only way to protect your children.
And no I would not kill the neighbors to protect the children regardless of what actions or lifestyles I find reprehensible. I would deal with the neighbors with out the use of coercion like any sane person. Instead I would leave them the # alone and possibly find other living arrangements. Also instead punishing the children to death I would show them(whether they agree with me or not is redundant) why I disagree with the actions/lifestyles of the neighbors and educate them about how to deal with these problems if they so choose. That's all you can really do as a parent.
To be overprotective over your children by killing the neighbors is to deprive the children of the proper tools and education to deal with the road ahead, it is also neglecting the fact that they are their own person,they will make mistakes regardless of their loyalty and their devotion. You will also create a state of codependency since they will never learn how to properly deal with their own problems instead you will always have your kids calling you for help over the smallest of issues.
To tell me that the God depicted in the Bible provides you with the necessary tools and education to deal with life's hardships is #ing laughable when he was the one who condemn his children to death and hardship to begin with. That's too bad that you couldn't deal with the consequences of your own actions as an atheist, but I guess now you can just blame all your problems on the devil right?
Edit; I also completely agree with Akragon, Jesus is clearly way more benevolent than God from the OT I'm still scratching my head on how you can convince yourself other wise....
Sorry for forgetting to respond to this thread I missed it but I agree with most of what you would do in the neighbors vs children example but what I was referring to was having the power to see that the neighbors will 100% sure come after your children meaning that you could see the future of them destroying your children and in that scenario I would feel compelled to do what I explain to you not in the case of what you're talking about which is a normal situation I'm not talking about a normal neighbor vs. Protecting your children scenario.
When it comes to the God that I know he does the scenario that you talk about many times but when his face with my scenario that I explained he will do anything to protect his children using his divine ability to peer into the future if he deems it necessary to.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
Sorry for forgetting to respond to this thread I missed it but I agree with most of what you would do in the neighbors vs children example but what I was referring to was having the power to see that the neighbors will 100% sure come after your children meaning that you could see the future of them destroying your children and in that scenario I would feel compelled to do what I explain to you not in the case of what you're talking about which is a normal situation I'm not talking about a normal neighbor vs. Protecting your children scenario.
Your missing my point entirely... It is not the neighbors who are hurting the children.. It is the parent aka God. It doesn't matter if they 100% agree with God or not, to deprive the kids of learning how to deal with the problems themselves in the end will doom them in the exact way God has foreseen it. So God is to blame for NOT taking the necessary action to protect his children non-violently. Not the neighbors, who are also a creation of God.
When it comes to the God that I know he does the scenario that you talk about many times but when his face with my scenario that I explained he will do anything to protect his children using his divine ability to peer into the future if he deems it necessary to.
If your referring to when he moves the Israelites out of Egypt using Moses as a proxy? Yet you want to ignore what heinous actions he did against all of the Egyptian people to convince the Pharaoh to free them...Any other example in the bible is about the same. I'm sorry but you don't know who God is.. The only thing you have to prove you think you know God is your own circular logic and testimonial which are both meaning less as a character reference.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
Sorry for forgetting to respond to this thread I missed it but I agree with most of what you would do in the neighbors vs children example but what I was referring to was having the power to see that the neighbors will 100% sure come after your children meaning that you could see the future of them destroying your children and in that scenario I would feel compelled to do what I explain to you not in the case of what you're talking about which is a normal situation I'm not talking about a normal neighbor vs. Protecting your children scenario.
Your missing my point entirely... It is not the neighbors who are hurting the children.. It is the parent aka God. It doesn't matter if they 100% agree with God or not, to deprive the kids of learning how to deal with the problems themselves in the end will doom them in the exact way God has foreseen it. So God is to blame for NOT taking the necessary action to protect his children non-violently. Not the neighbors, who are also a creation of God.
When it comes to the God that I know he does the scenario that you talk about many times but when his face with my scenario that I explained he will do anything to protect his children using his divine ability to peer into the future if he deems it necessary to.
If your referring to when he moves the Israelites out of Egypt using Moses as a proxy? Yet you want to ignore what heinous actions he did against all of the Egyptian people to convince the Pharaoh to free them...Any other example in the bible is about the same. I'm sorry but you don't know who God is.. The only thing you have to prove you think you know God is your own circular logic and testimonial which are both meaning less as a character reference.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
Sorry for forgetting to respond to this thread I missed it but I agree with most of what you would do in the neighbors vs children example but what I was referring to was having the power to see that the neighbors will 100% sure come after your children meaning that you could see the future of them destroying your children and in that scenario I would feel compelled to do what I explain to you not in the case of what you're talking about which is a normal situation I'm not talking about a normal neighbor vs. Protecting your children scenario.
Your missing my point entirely... It is not the neighbors who are hurting the children.. It is the parent aka God. It doesn't matter if they 100% agree with God or not, to deprive the kids of learning how to deal with the problems themselves in the end will doom them in the exact way God has foreseen it. So God is to blame for NOT taking the necessary action to protect his children non-violently. Not the neighbors, who are also a creation of God.
When it comes to the God that I know he does the scenario that you talk about many times but when his face with my scenario that I explained he will do anything to protect his children using his divine ability to peer into the future if he deems it necessary to.
If your referring to when he moves the Israelites out of Egypt using Moses as a proxy? Yet you want to ignore what heinous actions he did against all of the Egyptian people to convince the Pharaoh to free them...Any other example in the bible is about the same. I'm sorry but you don't know who God is.. The only thing you have to prove you think you know God is your own circular logic and testimonial which are both meaning less as a character reference.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
Sorry for forgetting to respond to this thread I missed it but I agree with most of what you would do in the neighbors vs children example but what I was referring to was having the power to see that the neighbors will 100% sure come after your children meaning that you could see the future of them destroying your children and in that scenario I would feel compelled to do what I explain to you not in the case of what you're talking about which is a normal situation I'm not talking about a normal neighbor vs. Protecting your children scenario.
Your missing my point entirely... It is not the neighbors who are hurting the children.. It is the parent aka God. It doesn't matter if they 100% agree with God or not, to deprive the kids of learning how to deal with the problems themselves in the end will doom them in the exact way God has foreseen it. So God is to blame for NOT taking the necessary action to protect his children non-violently. Not the neighbors, who are also a creation of God.
When it comes to the God that I know he does the scenario that you talk about many times but when his face with my scenario that I explained he will do anything to protect his children using his divine ability to peer into the future if he deems it necessary to.
If your referring to when he moves the Israelites out of Egypt using Moses as a proxy? Yet you want to ignore what heinous actions he did against all of the Egyptian people to convince the Pharaoh to free them...Any other example in the bible is about the same. I'm sorry but you don't know who God is.. The only thing you have to prove you think you know God is your own circular logic and testimonial which are both meaning less as a character reference.
So based on your logic you want me to allow my children to play with a BOMB just so that I do NOT deprive them of the experience of being blown to pieces?
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS; GOD said: “I take delight, not in the death of the wicked one, but in that someone wicked turns back from his way and actually keeps living.” (Ezekiel 33:11)
I'm sorry but I can say the same thing about you. Or , to you.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
Sorry for forgetting to respond to this thread I missed it but I agree with most of what you would do in the neighbors vs children example but what I was referring to was having the power to see that the neighbors will 100% sure come after your children meaning that you could see the future of them destroying your children and in that scenario I would feel compelled to do what I explain to you not in the case of what you're talking about which is a normal situation I'm not talking about a normal neighbor vs. Protecting your children scenario.
Your missing my point entirely... It is not the neighbors who are hurting the children.. It is the parent aka God. It doesn't matter if they 100% agree with God or not, to deprive the kids of learning how to deal with the problems themselves in the end will doom them in the exact way God has foreseen it. So God is to blame for NOT taking the necessary action to protect his children non-violently. Not the neighbors, who are also a creation of God.
When it comes to the God that I know he does the scenario that you talk about many times but when his face with my scenario that I explained he will do anything to protect his children using his divine ability to peer into the future if he deems it necessary to.
If your referring to when he moves the Israelites out of Egypt using Moses as a proxy? Yet you want to ignore what heinous actions he did against all of the Egyptian people to convince the Pharaoh to free them...Any other example in the bible is about the same. I'm sorry but you don't know who God is.. The only thing you have to prove you think you know God is your own circular logic and testimonial which are both meaning less as a character reference.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
So based on your logic you want me to allow my children to play with a BOMB just so that I do NOT deprive them of the experience of being blown to pieces?
If they want to use explosives you teach them how to handle them safely and provide them with the necessary tools to do so.You also show them what not to do when handling such devices. Doing this all with in the range of when you think their mentally capable of doing such tasks. To just say, like God has numerous times about specific lifestyles and habits to just say their immoral because he is God your father who art thou in heaven is taking information from authority with out verifying its accuracy. Which BTW is extremely ignorant..
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS; GOD said: “I take delight, not in the death of the wicked one, but in that someone wicked turns back from his way and actually keeps living.” (Ezekiel 33:11)
Yeah explain to me how destroying someone who disagrees with God's morals is going to get that person to reconsider their lifestyle choices and live making better decisions? If your going to continue citing scripture where it seems like God has the patience to give them chances to turn them from their wicked ways, I'm sorry to tell you but God's patience and mercy is short of the definition of those words. If he's just striking down those who he see's as too far gone how come he doesn't provide those who are not with the information and tools to help them be redeemed.
I'm sorry but I can say the same thing about you. Or , to you.
All your arguments for God's character are Bull# which lucid Laney and Akragon already pointed out to you and yet you still refuse to acknowledge that maybe your God is not who he says he is because the bible says so. Your circular logic is asinine. I'm still baffled as to how you believe this garbage as 100% truth and with out doubt to the information's authenticity. You say you were a non-believer and had view similar to me about the bible..
If you don't mind, explain to me what exactly turned you towards believing the bible and I will leave it there.
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
So based on your logic you want me to allow my children to play with a BOMB just so that I do NOT deprive them of the experience of being blown to pieces?
If they want to use explosives you teach them how to handle them safely and provide them with the necessary tools to do so.You also show them what not to do when handling such devices. Doing this all with in the range of when you think their mentally capable of doing such tasks. To just say, like God has numerous times about specific lifestyles and habits to just say their immoral because he is God your father who art thou in heaven is taking information from authority with out verifying its accuracy. Which BTW is extremely ignorant..
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS; GOD said: “I take delight, not in the death of the wicked one, but in that someone wicked turns back from his way and actually keeps living.” (Ezekiel 33:11)
Yeah explain to me how destroying someone who disagrees with God's morals is going to get that person to reconsider their lifestyle choices and live making better decisions? If your going to continue citing scripture where it seems like God has the patience to give them chances to turn them from their wicked ways, I'm sorry to tell you but God's patience and mercy is short of the definition of those words. If he's just striking down those who he see's as too far gone how come he doesn't provide those who are not with the information and tools to help them be redeemed.
I'm sorry but I can say the same thing about you. Or , to you.
All your arguments for God's character are Bull# which lucid Laney and Akragon already pointed out to you and yet you still refuse to acknowledge that maybe your God is not who he says he is because the bible says so. Your circular logic is asinine. I'm still baffled as to how you believe this garbage as 100% truth and with out doubt to the information's authenticity. You say you were a non-believer and had view similar to me about the bible..
If you don't mind, explain to me what exactly turned you towards believing the bible and I will leave it there.
I have already answered your questions by answering the questions of others why should I waste my time anymore? I have told you about the PAIN that I have SUFFERED, so if I comment anymore it would either just be repeating myself,
OR you just simply lack the brain capacity to understand. You will never GET IT no matter what I say, even if I can find something a little bit different than what I have already said
and they deliberately opposed God and his people
originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
So based on your logic you want me to allow my children to play with a BOMB just so that I do NOT deprive them of the experience of being blown to pieces?
If they want to use explosives you teach them how to handle them safely and provide them with the necessary tools to do so.You also show them what not to do when handling such devices. Doing this all with in the range of when you think their mentally capable of doing such tasks. To just say, like God has numerous times about specific lifestyles and habits to just say their immoral because he is God your father who art thou in heaven is taking information from authority with out verifying its accuracy. Which BTW is extremely ignorant..
WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS; GOD said: “I take delight, not in the death of the wicked one, but in that someone wicked turns back from his way and actually keeps living.” (Ezekiel 33:11)
Yeah explain to me how destroying someone who disagrees with God's morals is going to get that person to reconsider their lifestyle choices and live making better decisions? If your going to continue citing scripture where it seems like God has the patience to give them chances to turn them from their wicked ways, I'm sorry to tell you but God's patience and mercy is short of the definition of those words. If he's just striking down those who he see's as too far gone how come he doesn't provide those who are not with the information and tools to help them be redeemed.
I'm sorry but I can say the same thing about you. Or , to you.
All your arguments for God's character are Bull# which lucid Laney and Akragon already pointed out to you and yet you still refuse to acknowledge that maybe your God is not who he says he is because the bible says so. Your circular logic is asinine. I'm still baffled as to how you believe this garbage as 100% truth and with out doubt to the information's authenticity. You say you were a non-believer and had view similar to me about the bible..
If you don't mind, explain to me what exactly turned you towards believing the bible and I will leave it there.
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: vincentdaniel7
and they deliberately opposed God and his people
So then it's morally justified should god destroy me, and every other person in this thread who's in opposition.
Yep. That sounds like a religious stance if I ever heard one.