Delhi crowds lambast police over toddler rape

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Why should anyone from any country mind their own business?

For that matter, why should anyone?

Advice is acceptable if not always very welcome. Help of a cooperative nature is often gratefully received. Unsolicited meddling in the affairs of other states, as the person I replied to advocates, is not acceptable. Still less so when the country is America, whose record of 'improving' countries by bombing and invading them places it under suspicion. We all know that international interventions always occur for the benefit of the invader, not the invaded.

I am not mistaken India does receive financial aid from evil America. If any outsiders are sending taxpayer money to any other country. The taxpayers of said sending country are entitled to an opinion on pretty much anything happening in the country receiving those funds.

No, it does not. It does not even entitle them to enforce accountability regarding how the actual money is spent.

The amount of aid sent by the US to India was $108m in 2012, which works out at about ten cents per Indian citizen. How much influence do you want for your ten cents?

If we all minded our own business that then this site would be vastly different.

And all the better for it, I dare say.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Why should anyone from any country mind their own business?

For that matter, why should anyone?

Advice is acceptable if not always very welcome. Help of a cooperative nature is often gratefully received. Unsolicited meddling in the affairs of other states, as the person I replied to advocates, is not acceptable. Still less so when the country is America, whose record of 'improving' countries by bombing and invading them places it under suspicion. We all know that international interventions always occur for the benefit of the invader, not the invaded.

I am not mistaken India does receive financial aid from evil America. If any outsiders are sending taxpayer money to any other country. The taxpayers of said sending country are entitled to an opinion on pretty much anything happening in the country receiving those funds.

No, it does not. It does not even entitle them to enforce accountability regarding how the actual money is spent.

The amount of aid sent by the US to India was $108m in 2012, which works out at about ten cents per Indian citizen. How much influence do you want for your ten cents?

If we all minded our own business that then this site would be vastly different.

And all the better for it, I dare say.

Wow I could have sworn since we started out sending financial aid India was one of the top countries to receive it. But either way, money is involved you will get opinions from people paying. Beyond aid I would venture to guess with a high number of h1b visas from India that also adds to people sharing opinions on India.

Simple solution though, don't rape little kids. If it happens then government should be swift and harsh when it happens. Our country isn't perfect but if it's that bad accept no more aid, don't come here for a job. I would bet at that point people would be less like to Gove opinions other than the " that's terrible" type.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Why should anyone from any country mind their own business?

For that matter, why should anyone?

Advice is acceptable if not always very welcome. Help of a cooperative nature is often gratefully received. Unsolicited meddling in the affairs of other states, as the person I replied to advocates, is not acceptable. Still less so when the country is America, whose record of 'improving' countries by bombing and invading them places it under suspicion. We all know that international interventions always occur for the benefit of the invader, not the invaded.

I am not mistaken India does receive financial aid from evil America. If any outsiders are sending taxpayer money to any other country. The taxpayers of said sending country are entitled to an opinion on pretty much anything happening in the country receiving those funds.

No, it does not. It does not even entitle them to enforce accountability regarding how the actual money is spent.

The amount of aid sent by the US to India was $108m in 2012, which works out at about ten cents per Indian citizen. How much influence do you want for your ten cents?

If we all minded our own business that then this site would be vastly different.

And all the better for it, I dare say.

Wow I could have sworn since we started out sending financial aid India was one of the top countries to receive it. But either way, money is involved you will get opinions from people paying. Beyond aid I would venture to guess with a high number of h1b visas from India that also adds to people sharing opinions on India.

Simple solution though, don't rape little kids. If it happens then government should be swift and harsh when it happens. Our country isn't perfect but if it's that bad accept no more aid, don't come here for a job. I would bet at that point people would be less like to Gove opinions other than the " that's terrible" type.

I think you are quite mistaken. India does not 'accept' any aid. It is sent to NGOs mainly US ones. This year quite a few NGOs has been banned by the Indian Gov, like Ford Foundation, Green Peace etc. I suspect now this 'aid' will stop.

Indian Gov spends more than $70,000 million compared to less than $100 million the US gives to its NGOs in India. Sadly there is no way to refuse this 'aid' as it does not come to the gov.

Did you know India itself donates more aid to foreign countries than it receives. Guess why? Its a political tool and that is exactly why US NGOs are getting banned along with their 'aid'

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Wow I could have sworn since we started out sending financial aid India was one of the top countries to receive it.

Perhaps you should take this as a warning about the quality of the information on which you are basing these opinions. India doesn't even make the list of the top 25 states receiving US aid.

But either way, money is involved you will get opinions from people paying.

They are entitled to their ten cents' worth.

I would venture to guess with a high number of h1b visas from India that also adds to people sharing opinions on India.

Do H1B visas entitle their holders to vote in US elections and decide on US foreign policy?

Simple solution though, don't rape little kids. If it happens then government should be swift and harsh when it happens.

Evidently you have never been to India and experienced conditions there yourself. You should go. Always a mind-expanding experience.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Wow I could have sworn since we started out sending financial aid India was one of the top countries to receive it.

Perhaps you should take this as a warning about the quality of the information on which you are basing these opinions. India doesn't even make the list of the top 25 states receiving US aid.

But either way, money is involved you will get opinions from people paying.

They are entitled to their ten cents' worth.

I would venture to guess with a high number of h1b visas from India that also adds to people sharing opinions on India.

Do H1B visas entitle their holders to vote in US elections and decide on US foreign policy?

Simple solution though, don't rape little kids. If it happens then government should be swift and harsh when it happens.

Evidently you have never been to India and experienced conditions there yourself. You should go. Always a mind-expanding experience.

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Ok I guess I need a new source.

As far as h1b visas all that needs to be done is to become a citizen and vote. Have at it. Pay our taxes, follow our laws and so on.

I should visit India to find out about their culture? Are you saying child rape is a culture issue in India? Maybe, it seems to be in the ME on some levels. But if that is the culture I think I'll pass.

But children being raped will get opinions if someone likes it or not. Tell you what. India can cut us a check for 65 billion dollars, we can't cut off h1b visas from India ( sure IT workers would be happy) and I promise not to ever comment on an issue in India again.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

I should visit India to find out about their culture? Are you saying child rape is a culture issue in India?

No, I was suggesting that you experience for yourself what is practicable in India and what is not.

India is bigger than Western Europe, but communications are poor. What New Delhi decides does not always reach remote villages in Bihar or Gujrat, let alone in Assam or Nagaland. Local powers are often paramount. Law enforcement is uneven and in some areas the loyalties of its officers and the local judiciary is divided. There are large tracts of the country in which the government's writ does not run at all.

On a regional level, state governments in India have enormous power. In some places (such as, in fact, Gujrat in the days when India's current premier was chief minister there), state authorities thumb their noses at the central government. So do municipal authorities, trade unions and others.

Finally, the cultural plurality of India makes the contents of America's vaunted melting-pot look as bland as a McDonald's milkshake. There are hundreds of ethnic groups, hundreds of languages and dialects.

The government has to arbitrate between constituencies that are on the leading edge of social and technological progress and others that have barely entered the Iron Age. Between Hindus and Muslims, upper castes and Untouchables, capitalists and Communists. And they all have votes.

Are you beginning to understand?

Many people in India are just as horrified and outraged at India's culture of rape as you are. That is why this thread has the title it does; it's inspired by a news item about a protest in Delhi. You seem to have left that out of your ruminations on the subject. The protesters are doing their best to change the culture and they deserve our support. What they don't need is to be bullied by outsiders who know absolutely nothing, but blithely assume that they know it all.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Reallyfolks

I should visit India to find out about their culture? Are you saying child rape is a culture issue in India?

No, I was suggesting that you experience for yourself what is practicable in India and what is not.

India is bigger than Western Europe, but communications are poor. What New Delhi decides does not always reach remote villages in Bihar or Gujrat, let alone in Assam or Nagaland. Local powers are often paramount. Law enforcement is uneven and in some areas the loyalties of its officers and the local judiciary is divided. There are large tracts of the country in which the government's writ does not run at all.

On a regional level, state governments in India have enormous power. In some places (such as, in fact, Gujrat in the days when India's current premier was chief minister there), state authorities thumb their noses at the central government. So do municipal authorities, trade unions and others.

Finally, the cultural plurality of India makes the contents of America's vaunted melting-pot look as bland as a McDonald's milkshake. There are hundreds of ethnic groups, hundreds of languages and dialects.

The government has to arbitrate between constituencies that are on the leading edge of social and technological progress and others that have barely entered the Iron Age. Between Hindus and Muslims, upper castes and Untouchables, capitalists and Communists. And they all have votes.

Are you beginning to understand?

Many people in India are just as horrified and outraged at India's culture of rape as you are. That is why this thread has the title it does; it's inspired by a news item about a protest in Delhi. You seem to have left that out of your ruminations on the subject. The protesters are doing their best to change the culture and they deserve our support. What they don't need is to be bullied by outsiders who know absolutely nothing, but blithely assume that they know it all.

Different cultures is understandable but can't imagine one saying child rape is fine.

Who was bullying? The article was posted and people commented. They can't control too much and it was comments only. How on earth that is bullying is a little amusing. So your problem is bullies not the comments? If so then you should be fine with ATS comments. Not like anyone on the boards are actually bullying India

a reply to: Reallyfolks

Nobody is saying child rape is fine.

The poster I replied to was recommending unilateral action in India by other states.

That is what I was responding to.

As you are well aware.

I think I have dealt with all your objections to my stance. Have you anything more to add?

a reply to: Reallyfolks

But children being raped will get opinions if someone likes it or not. Tell you what. India can cut us a check for 65 billion dollars, we can't cut off h1b visas from India ( sure IT workers would be happy) and I promise not to ever comment on an issue in India again.

AMEN to that brother!

a reply to: Macenroe82

Really?

Can you -- or anyone else on the planet -- explain why you think that's a good idea?

a reply to: Astyanax

Aside from being sickened by the acceptance of child gang rape in India was also the statement of "IT workers would be happy"
Unfortunately call centres have become a major employer in a lot of cities.
There isnt very much in my city job wise that pays a decent wage other than call centres.
Thankfully i am one of the lucky ones and work outside the city at an Underground palladium Mine.
We had 3 call centres here in the last 2 years that employed well over 600 people. 10 centres in total over the course of 8 years.
One day those people went to work and got handed an R.O.E.
Those centres packed up and moved to India where they can pay employees quarter of the wage. The unemployment rate sky rocketed here as it caused a domino effect with other companies that had contracts with them.
Its sad when your cities major employers are call centres. No one likes those jobs. Sometimes people have no choice but to work those types of jobs in order to survive until something more appealing opens up.

So ya thats my beef.

a reply to: Macenroe82

I feel your pain, but US visas for Indian technocrats and the outsourcing of call-centre jobs to India are not related issues. And cutting off the paltry $300m America sends to India will not affect the call-centre issue either. So your argument seems to be 'Indians stole my job (which I hated anyway), so let's hurt them by cutting off aid and denying them visas.'

Am I wrong? What am I missing?

a reply to: Astyanax

But we're the world police As! You know,
Captain a miracle, dant ta da das, and all that?

It only seems to matter when we hear about it. And no telling
where or if the dowry is behind any of it. I doubt if even captain
a miracle would have any effect at all on the ancient customs of
billions.

You make sense.

a reply to: Astyanax

Not my job, but thousands upon thousands of American and Canadian citizens. The same citizens that are sick of, yet stuck with a government that is hell bent on giving any 3rd world country a hand out to increase "Relations"
Rather than help the homeless on their own soil. American and Canada have to many problems at home.
With the election of a new prime minister in Canada the other day, hopefully he will put a stop to this current way of distributing tax payers cash to any country but their own, nonsense that all the previous dinosaurs in office have done.

He is young and has listened to the youth of the country. Hopefully the youth is loud enough to be heard on these types of issues.
But enough of being off topic.
Have a good day.

a reply to: Macenroe82

So you don't approve of aid from rich countries to poor ones? Why is that?

Do you know why aid is given?

So far, you have managed to portray yourself as an angry, unthinking, self-centred bigot. Are you OK with that, or would you like to have one more try at clearing your own good name?

India has a patriarchal society. This tragedy reminds me of the savage acid attacks on young women in india because they refused a man's advances.

I know men can be wrongly accused of rape, but the laws need to be much more strict if truly found guilty. If you torture someone, either through rape or an acid attack you should be put to death. It's as simple as that.

a reply to: Macenroe82

I think the women over there are too busy cooking/cleaning/etc instead of sexually relieving their husbands who are sexually frustrated.Also the lack of porn and masturbation is also a factor.

The women over there need to be charged with dereliction of wifely duty of providing sex for their husbands.