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posted on Nov, 5 2015 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: aj023



Bin Laden did not carry out these attacks...


Yes he did and Osama bin Laden has admitted that he was responsible.



... and he was not capable of doing so.


Of course hr was because Osama bin Laden has also been tied to the embassy attacks in Kenya and Tanzania and the bombing of the USS Cole.


He died as well before we said we captured him.


That is false considering that Osama bin Laden had addressed Barack Obama by name years after 9/11.


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posted on Nov, 5 2015 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: Mizzijr

The vid you posted where bush admits explosives... holy cow!

ive never seen that one before... thats is one hell of a slip up if ever i saw one!



posted on Nov, 5 2015 @ 03:17 PM
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a reply to: Mizzijr



Reminds me of this though. Idc what anybody says. Bush knew about 9/11 before hand. There's plenty of evidence.


We can take a look here to see who was warning Bush about Osama bin Laden's planned attack against the United States.



WARNINGS THAT THE DANGER WOULD COME FROM THE AIR

BRITAIN, WARNING #1: Al-Qaeda is planning to use aircraft in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs"

the British intelligence agency, gives a secret report to liaison staff at the US embassy in London. The reports states that al-Qaeda has plans to use "commercial aircraft" in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs." [Sunday Times, 6/9/02]

BRITAIN, WARNING #3: An Al-Qaeda attack will involve multiple hijackings

Early August 2001 ©: Britain gives the US another warning about an al-Qaeda attack. The previous British warning (see July 16, 2001) was vague as to method, but this warning specifies multiple airplane hijackings. This warning is included in Bush's briefing on August 6. [Sunday Herald, 5/19/02]

CAYMAN ISLANDS, WARNING #2: Three al-Qaeda agents are part of a plot "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines"

August 29, 2001: Three men from either Pakistan or Afghanistan living in the Cayman Islands are briefly arrested in June 2001 for discussing hijacking attacks in New York City (see June 4, 2001). On this day, a Cayman Islands radio station receives an unsigned letter claiming these same three men are agents of bin Laden. The anonymous author warns that they "are organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines." The letter is forwarded to a Cayman government official but no action is taken until after 9/11 and it isn't known when the US is informed. Many criminals and/or businesses use the Cayman Islands as a safe, no tax, no questions asked haven to keep their money. The author of the letter meets with the FBI shortly after 9/11, and claims his information was a "premonition of sorts." The three men are later arrested. Its unclear what has happened to them since their arrest. [Miami Herald, 9/20/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01, MSNBC, 9/23/01] FTW

EGYPT, WARNING #1: An undercover agent learns 20 al-Qaeda agents are in the US, four have received flight training

Late July 2001 (D): CBS later has a brief mention in a long story on another topic: "Just days after Atta return[s] to the US from Spain, Egyptian intelligence in Cairo says it received a report from one of its operatives in Afghanistan that 20 al-Qaeda members had slipped into the US and four of them had received flight training on Cessnas. To the Egyptians, pilots of small planes didn't sound terribly alarming, but they [pass] on the message to the CIA anyway, fully expecting Washington to request information. The request never [comes]." [CBS, 10/9/02] This appears to be one of several accurate Egyptian warnings based on informants (see June 13, 2001 and August 30, 2001). Could Egypt have known the names of some or all of the hijackers? Given FBI agent Ken Williams' memo about flight schools a short time before (see July 10, 2001), shouldn't the US have investigated this closely instead of completely ignoring it?

GERMANY: Terrorists will use airplanes as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols"

June 2001: German intelligence warns the CIA, Britain's MI6, and Israel's Mossad that Middle Eastern terrorists are planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols, which stand out." A later article quotes unnamed German intelligence sources who state the information was coming from Echelon surveillance technology, and that British intelligence had access to the same warnings. However, there were other informational sources, including specific information and hints given to, but not reported by, Western and Near Eastern news media six months before 9/11. [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 9/11/01, Washington Post, 9/14/01, Fox News, 5/17/02] FTW

ITALY: Muslims warn of an attack on the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons

September 7, 2001: Father Jean-Marie Benjamin is told at a wedding in Todi, Italy of a plot to attack the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons. He isn't told time or place specifics. He immediately passes what he knows to a judge and several politicians. He states: "Although I am friendly with many Muslims, I wondered why they were telling me, specifically. I felt it my duty to inform the Italian government." Benjamin has been called "one of the West's most knowledgeable experts on the Muslim world." Two days after 9/11, he meets with the Italian Foreign Minister on this topic. He says he learned the attack on Britain failed at the last minute. [Zenit, 9/16/01] He has not revealed who told him this information, but could it have been a member of the al-Qaeda cell in Milan (see August 12, 2000 and January 24, 2001), which appears to have helped with the 9/11 attacks?

JORDAN: A major attack using aircraft is planned inside the US

Late summer 2001: Jordanian intelligence (the GID) makes a communications intercept deemed so important that King Abdullah's men relay it to Washington, probably through the CIA station in Amman. To make doubly sure the message gets through it is passed through an Arab intermediary to a German intelligence agent. The message states that a major attack, code named The Big Wedding, is planned inside the US and that aircraft will be used. "When it became clear that the information was embarrassing to Bush Administration officials and congressmen who at first denied that there had been any such warnings before September 11, senior Jordanian officials backed away from their earlier confirmations." Christian Science Monitor calls the story "confidently authenticated" even though Jordan has backed away from it. [International Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, Christian Science Monitor, 5/23/02] FTW

RUSSIA: Russian intelligence clearly warns the US several times that 25 or so terrorists, including suicide pilots, will attack the US, targeting "important buildings like the Pentagon"

August 2001 (D): Russian President Putin warns the US that suicide pilots are training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also later states, "We had clearly warned them" on several occasions, but they "did not pay the necessary attention." [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01] A Russian newspaper on September 12, 2001 claims that "Russian Intelligence agents know the organizers and executors of these terrorist attacks. More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation to these actions a couple of weeks before they happened." Interestingly, the article claims that at least two of the terrorists were Muslim radicals from Uzbekistan. [Izvestia, 9/12/01, (the story currently on the Izvestia web site has been edited to delete a key paragraph, the link is to a translation of the original article from From the Wilderness)] FTW
OTHER WARNINGS

AFGHANISTAN: Al-Qaeda is planning an imminent "huge attack" inside the US that will kill thousands

ARGENTINA: A major terrorist attack is planned against either the US, Argentina, or France

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posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 10:50 AM
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This topic is important because we need to vet Trump for President.

The truth is, the USA planned for a hijack senario as evidenced earlier. The USA knew of imminent attacks but did not know the source. Either they know in advance because the government was directly involved or they knew something was coming.

What strikes me as odd is that when insurance firms and the airlines are confronted with direct evidence definitively proving no airplanes hit the buildings of the type the FBI claimed to 100% certainty showing documented non manipulated evidence that official entites are even saying was the real evidence, they refuse to discuss the matter. And to begin with they handed over this money without anyone questioning the claims. Insurance firms are in business to make money not hand over claims that are fraudulent or manipulated in nature. Just try getting funds back on an insurance claim you make.

We need the insurance firm ceos who paid out 9/11/2001 WTC claims investigated and the books audited to see what happened as well as all documents and records. The latest move by one insurer at least was to sue Saudi Arabia for the funds and promptly withdraw the lawsuit.

Donald Trump is the one candidate who is a money guy who has a huge real estate portfolio. He even made an offer on the Park 51 mosque facility building at one time.

Don't you think its odd that all the damage in Manhattan affected just one area of Manhattan and all of the buildings in that area were owned by the same legal entity?

Not one Trump property was attacked who has more properties than at the World Trade Center complex.

These are facts and not speculation. Jet engine part did not match up which was the official evidence given out by the FBI. Multiple video sources which are definitively provable from cameras and audio in area show with absolute certainty the engines recovered were not from a commercial jet in use in this area. That is 100% fact and I will swear under oath in court as others have attesting to this fact. Yet for whatever reason the insurance firms are denying listening to this and in fact made out claims very early without a true investigation and that in itself is very very suspect.

As for the weapon and demolition typed used in 9/11/2001 one can sort thru those and make assumptions and rule out the false claims or misguided claims.
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posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: BlackOp007
The truth is, the USA planned for a hijack senario as evidenced earlier.


Disinformation, some of which was planted to discredit the 9/11 Truth Movement, is not evidence.


The USA knew of imminent attacks but did not know the source.


On the contrary, countries around the world issued intelligence warnings to the United States prior to 9/11 that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would carry out their terrorist attack using hijacked airliners to kill thousands of people.



What strikes me as odd is that when insurance firms and the airlines are confronted with direct evidence definitively proving no airplanes hit the buildings of the type the FBI claimed to 100% certainty showing documented non manipulated evidence that official entites are even saying was the real evidence, they refuse to discuss the matter.


That story is a fabrication because only a certain number of B-767-200 and B-757-200 series aircraft were built and are easily traceable. In fact, radar tracked those aircraft to the crash sites and ACARS did not depict those aircraft landing anywhere else.


These are facts and not speculation. Jet engine part did not match up which was the official evidence given out by the FBI.


That is false. In other words, you have no case.


Multiple video sources which are definitively provable from cameras and audio in area show with absolute certainty the engines recovered were not from a commercial jet in use in this area.


Let's take a look to see if you are right.

9/11 Engine Wreckage 1

9/11 Engine Wreckage 2

9/11 Engine Wreckage 3




As for the weapon and demolition typed used in 9/11/2001 one can sort thru those and make assumptions and rule out the false claims or misguided claims.


One false claim of many is that demolition explosives was used to bring down the WTC buildings, which is false considering that demolition explosions are not heard on video nor were demolition explosions detected by seismographs.

To sum it up, you have no case.
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posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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On the contrary, countries around the world issued intelligence warnings to the United States prior to 9/11 that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would carry out their terrorist attack using hijacked airliners to kill thousands of people.


Right, again they let it happen.



posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 01:07 PM
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when the 2008 housing bubble hit and they started bailouts, the fed reserve gave out trillions secretly to many corporations around the world. This was likely for bribes to keep people quiet on a number of things including 9/11.

at first Mr. "pull it" got denied double the insurance cash: www.cnn.com...:LAW

later got govt to bail him out anyway www.bloomberg.com...

in the meantime they were likely bribing and blackmailing politicians. Such as former governor eliot spritzer

"The seven insurers in the settlement are Spitzer said in the statement. "Travelers Cos., Zurich American Insurance Co., Swiss Reinsurance Co., Employers Insurance Company of Wausau, Allianz Global Risks U.S. Insurance Co., Industrial Risk Insurers and Royal Indemnity Co.,


fed reserve bailouts: www.sott.net...



posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 01:07 PM
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originally posted by: HorusChrist
when the 2008 housing bubble hit and they started bailouts, the fed reserve gave out trillions secretly to many corporations around the world. This was likely for bribes to keep people quiet on a number of things including 9/11.

at first Mr. "pull it" got denied double the insurance cash: www.cnn.com...:LAW

later got govt to bail him out anyway www.bloomberg.com...

in the meantime they were likely bribing and blackmailing politicians. Such as former governor eliot spritzer

"The seven insurers in the settlement are Spitzer said in the statement. "Travelers Cos., Zurich American Insurance Co., Swiss Reinsurance Co., Employers Insurance Company of Wausau, Allianz Global Risks U.S. Insurance Co., Industrial Risk Insurers and Royal Indemnity Co.,


fed reserve bailouts: www.sott.net...


oops got hit with censorship again



posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 01:07 PM
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sorry for the facts I mean lies



posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 01:08 PM
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Right, again they let it happen.


Bush and Rice didn't think Osama bin Laden could have pulled off their attack on the United States, and the rest is history. It is not the first time that Bush miscalculated.



posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: wildb



On the contrary, countries around the world issued intelligence warnings to the United States prior to 9/11 that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would carry out their terrorist attack using hijacked airliners to kill thousands of people.


Right, again they let it happen.
I think they were trying to forge stuff like crazy after 9/11 to get the cover story to fit, so they forged one thing saying "Bin Laden determined to attack USA" but then people said ok . . . so why didn't you do anything about it? Then the neocons were like damn maybe we'd better just stay quiet so they stopped short with their cover story and stopped forging things. They figured it was best to just ignore stuff like that and pretend it never happened.

I don't think they're really that stupid or they wouldn't have gotten power in the first place. But disinfo means putting many different things out there so people can't figure out what to believe.

It was MIHOP, not LIHOP, LIHOP was leaving too much to chance.



posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: wildb



Right, again they let it happen.


Bush and Rice didn't think Osama bin Laden could have pulled off their attack on the United States, and the rest is history. It is not the first time that Bush miscalculated.
just all an honest mistake huh

also dumped bin ladens body in ocean by mistake and w read my pet goat by mistake?



posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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think they were trying to forge stuff like crazy after 9/11 to get the cover story to fit, so they forged one thing saying "Bin Laden determined to attack USA" but then people said ok . . .


Countries around the world issued intelligence warnings prior to 9/11 that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would use hijacked airliners in their attack on America. There was nothing in international intelligence warnings that Bush would be responsible for 9/11. In fact, the Philippine government had warned that terrorist would use an aircraft to crash into CIA headquarters.



Phase III: CIA plane crash plot

bdul Hakim Murad's confession detailed Phase III in his interrogation by the Manila police after his capture.

Phase three would have involved Murad either renting, buying, or hijacking a small airplane, preferably a Cessna. The airplane would be filled with explosives. He would then crash it into the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters in the Langley area in Fairfax County, Virginia. Murad had been trained as a pilot in North Carolina, and was slated to be a suicide pilot.

There were alternate plans to hijack a 12th commercial airliner and use that instead of the small aircraft, probably due to the Manila cell's growing frustration with explosives. Testing explosives in a house or apartment is dangerous, and it can easily give away a terrorist plot. Khalid Sheik Mohammed probably made the alternate plan.

A report from the Philippines to the United States on January 20, 1995 stated, "What the subject has in his mind is that he will board any American commercial aircraft pretending to be an ordinary passenger. Then he will hijack said aircraft, control its cockpit and dive it at the CIA headquarters."

Another plot that was considered would have involved the hijacking of more airplanes. The World Trade Center (New York City, New York), The Pentagon (Arlington, Virginia), the United States Capitol (Washington, D.C.), the White House (Washington, D.C.), the Sears Tower (Chicago, Illinois), and the U.S Bank Tower (Los Angeles, California), would have been the likely targets.

Abdul Hakim Murad said that this part of the plot was dropped since the Manila cell could not recruit enough people to implement other hijackings in his confession with Filipino investigators, prior to the foiling of Operation Bojinka. This plot eventually would be the base plot for the September 11 attacks which involved hijacking commercial airliners as opposed to small aircraft loaded with explosives and crashing them into their intended targets. However, only the World Trade Center (which was destroyed) and The Pentagon (which suffered partial damage) were hit.

en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: skyeagle409

originally posted by: BlackOp007
The truth is, the USA planned for a hijack senario as evidenced earlier.


Disinformation, some of which was planted to discredit the 9/11 Truth Movement, is not evidence.


The USA knew of imminent attacks but did not know the source.


On the contrary, countries around the world issued intelligence warnings to the United States prior to 9/11 that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would carry out their terrorist attack using hijacked airliners to kill thousands of people.



What strikes me as odd is that when insurance firms and the airlines are confronted with direct evidence definitively proving no airplanes hit the buildings of the type the FBI claimed to 100% certainty showing documented non manipulated evidence that official entites are even saying was the real evidence, they refuse to discuss the matter.


That story is a fabrication because only a certain number of B-767-200 and B-757-200 series aircraft were building and are easily traceable. In fact, radar tracked those aircraft to the crash sites and ACARS did not depict those aircraft landing anywhere else.


These are facts and not speculation. Jet engine part did not match up which was the official evidence given out by the FBI.


That is false. In other words, you have no case.


Multiple video sources which are definitively provable from cameras and audio in area show with absolute certainty the engines recovered were not from a commercial jet in use in this area.


Let's take a look to see if you are right.

9/11 Engine Wreckage 1

9/11 Engine Wreckage 2

9/11 Engine Wreckage 3




As for the weapon and demolition typed used in 9/11/2001 one can sort thru those and make assumptions and rule out the false claims or misguided claims.


One false claim of many is that demolition explosives was used to bring down the WTC buildings, which is false considering that demolition explosions are not heard on video nor were demolition explosions detected by seismographs.

To sum it up, you have no case.


I have the official engine part documented as per the fbi with their own disclosed evidence and I know exactly where the part is and legal affidavits have been signed in the courts and we are working this case up the latter.

Evidence you posted is absolutely 100% false based on realtime video and audio tapes from the area as well as the engine part. I have directly confirmed this. I am not a conspiracy theoriest. I honestly would have believed the planes theory if the evidence showed that and it does not. The evidence includes the firemans video from pbs and other amateur video taken from the area. Forensic examination does not match up.

Posting disinformation does a disservice to the 9/11 victims and myself and others. The documentation of the engine part was on the fbi.gov's own website of what they wanted to portray to the public. All engine parts have serial numbers and identifying parts. And those parts can be matched up to the actual plane if there even was one.

The problem is everyone is too stupid to do their own research. I am not even the engine designers for goodness sakes. We are up to classified jets like the X41 project which is faster than belief and there are likely other newer jet concepts in play now.

Confirming there was no jet does not require a mathematics degree or physics or engineering degree. It is basic forensics.

If you wanted to use a photo of the wtc engine you should be using the official documented parts from the governnental agencies themselves. I have seen it with my own eyes. Fortunately others were able to show the part for me since it made access so much quicker and was directly confirmed.

Has the part not been shown to me, I would have had to spend more time obtaining schematics of engines and existing designs and component. Remember these are mass produced parts, not special or classified materials.



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posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 01:23 PM
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I have the official engine part documented as per the fbi with their own disclosed evidence and I know exactly where the part is and legal affidavits have been signed in the courts and we are working this case up the latter.

The documentation of the engine part was on the fbi.gov's own website of what they wanted to portray to the public. All engine parts have serial numbers and identifying parts. And those parts can be matched up to the actual plane if there even was one.


Like airframes of the 9/11 airliners, there is no way their engines could have been switched because each engine has its own ID number that is traceable and I know that as a fact.
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posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 01:23 PM
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originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: HorusChrist



think they were trying to forge stuff like crazy after 9/11 to get the cover story to fit, so they forged one thing saying "Bin Laden determined to attack USA" but then people said ok . . .


Countries around the world issued intelligence warnings prior to 9/11 that Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda would use hijacked airliners in their attack on America. There was nothing in international intelligence warnings that Bush would be responsible for 9/11. In fact, the Philippine government had warned that terrorist would use an aircraft to crash into CIA headquarters.



Phase III: CIA plane crash plot

bdul Hakim Murad's confession detailed Phase III in his interrogation by the Manila police after his capture.

Phase three would have involved Murad either renting, buying, or hijacking a small airplane, preferably a Cessna. The airplane would be filled with explosives. He would then crash it into the Central Intelligence Agency headquarters in the Langley area in Fairfax County, Virginia. Murad had been trained as a pilot in North Carolina, and was slated to be a suicide pilot.

There were alternate plans to hijack a 12th commercial airliner and use that instead of the small aircraft, probably due to the Manila cell's growing frustration with explosives. Testing explosives in a house or apartment is dangerous, and it can easily give away a terrorist plot. Khalid Sheik Mohammed probably made the alternate plan.

A report from the Philippines to the United States on January 20, 1995 stated, "What the subject has in his mind is that he will board any American commercial aircraft pretending to be an ordinary passenger. Then he will hijack said aircraft, control its cockpit and dive it at the CIA headquarters."

Another plot that was considered would have involved the hijacking of more airplanes. The World Trade Center (New York City, New York), The Pentagon (Arlington, Virginia), the United States Capitol (Washington, D.C.), the White House (Washington, D.C.), the Sears Tower (Chicago, Illinois), and the U.S Bank Tower (Los Angeles, California), would have been the likely targets.

Abdul Hakim Murad said that this part of the plot was dropped since the Manila cell could not recruit enough people to implement other hijackings in his confession with Filipino investigators, prior to the foiling of Operation Bojinka. This plot eventually would be the base plot for the September 11 attacks which involved hijacking commercial airliners as opposed to small aircraft loaded with explosives and crashing them into their intended targets. However, only the World Trade Center (which was destroyed) and The Pentagon (which suffered partial damage) were hit.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org... tortured him for the confession. that gets thrown out



posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 01:35 PM
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These international warnings had nothing to do with his confession.



The Philippines Warned the United States

A report from the Philippines to the United States on January 20, 1995 stated, "What the subject has in his mind is that he will board any American commercial aircraft pretending to be an ordinary passenger. Then he will hijack said aircraft, control its cockpit and dive it at the CIA headquarters."Another plot that was considered would have involved the hijacking of more airplanes.The World Trade Center (New York City, New York), The Pentagon (Arlington, Virginia), the United States Capitol (Washington, D.C.), the White House(Washington, D.C.), the Sears Tower (Chicago, Illinois), and the U.S Bank Tower (Los Angeles, California), would have been the likely targets.

Abdul Hakim Murad said that this part of the plot was dropped since the Manila cell could not recruit enough people to implement other hijackings in his confession with Filipino investigators, prior to the foiling of Operation Bojinka. This plot eventually would be the base plot for the September 11, 2001 attacks which involved hijacking commercial airliners as opposed to small aircraft loaded with explosives and crashing them into their intended targets. However, only the World Trade Center (which was destroyed) and The Pentagon (which suffered partial damage) were hit.


Taliban Warned U.S. of Huge Attack

An aide to the former Taleban foreign minister, Wakil Ahmad Muttawakil, has revealed that he was sent to warn American diplomats and the United Nations that Osama bin Laden was due to launch a huge attack on American soil.
Neither organisation heeded the warning, which was given just weeks before the 11 September attacks.

The aide said he had urged the Americans to launch a military campaign against al-Qaeda but was told that this was politically impossible.

news.bbc.co.uk...


Clues Alerted White House to Potential Attacks

Based on its own intelligence, the Israeli government provided "general" information to the United States in the second week of August that an Al Qaeda attack was imminent.

www.foxnews.com...


– French intelligence echoed the "general" information in the final week of August.

– Russian President Vladimir Putin has said publicly that he ordered his intelligence agencies to alert the United States last summer that suicide pilots were training for attacks on U.S. targets.

– Millennium bomber Ahmad Ressam testified in closed and open court trials relating to his Dec. 1999 arrest for trying to bring bomb-making materials across the Canadian border that attack plans, including hijackings and attacks on New York City targets, were ongoing.

www.foxnews.com...


WARNINGS THAT THE DANGER WOULD COME FROM THE AIR

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Nothing there that points to an inside job.



posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 01:35 PM
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Not sure what your comment is supposed to mean. The engine part that was given by allegedly official sources was a fake.

If you have an engine with a different design that doesn't match, it is not the correct engine. Each part is manufactured and different engines have different part assemblies and even serial numbers showing.

Sure, the propulsion system and design of military vehicle engines are a lot more interesting to me but this was a basic jet engine and a switched part.

I always thought to be honest commercial aviation is way beneath its cababilities. But based on the engine design principles here including acoustical analysis and expert pilot testimony and more, this engine was a plant.

I wish 9/11/2001 never happened and scumbags did not lie in the process. They did and tried to cover their tracks poorly. And people suffered financially, mentally, and emotionally especially the victims and their familes.

The case has been proven on various parts of the internet and wasting time showing all the documentation on a single website or posting them again here to prove it to posters here isn't the right approach. But other avenues are and they need and will be actively persued.

I will disclose some sources I used though which include the firemans video from pbs, acoustic signature of the same engines used on those alleged commercial planes which have been recorded, schematics of engine makers and their related parts, pilot testimonies, airplane design engineers and more.

Sorry but we need to quit this devisiveness and lying. I am not even a democrat myself politically and supported the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. But after everything progressed and I was in the WTC 1 on 9/22/2000, I had a duty to know what happened. And after I saw what happened, I do know with 100% certainty there was no commercial airplanes which crashed into the building. Everyone I met who was working in the towers that day died. These were Americans just like me. They deserve the truth to be told. Posting here gets this message across to more and more people.


originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: BlackOp007



I have the official engine part documented as per the fbi with their own disclosed evidence and I know exactly where the part is and legal affidavits have been signed in the courts and we are working this case up the latter.

The documentation of the engine part was on the fbi.gov's own website of what they wanted to portray to the public. All engine parts have serial numbers and identifying parts. And those parts can be matched up to the actual plane if there even was one.


Like airframes of the 9/11 airliners, there is no way their engines could have been switched because each engine has its own ID number that is traceable and I know that as a fact.

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On that note, Mr Donald J. Trump needs to be vetted for President like everyone else but while this process will comtinue to go, a second tract of disclosing 9/11 will also go on in various avenues.
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posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 01:55 PM
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If you have an engine with a different design that doesn't match, it is not the correct engine.


How do you know that a certain engine did not undergo a scheduled modification?


Each part is manufactured and different engines have different part assemblies and even serial numbers showing.


I know that because because I was the airframe/engine component repair supervisor/inspector/technician for defense contractors under an Air Force TF-39C engine contract at Travis AFB, CA. In fact, the Air Force and Raytheon Aerospace sent me to Pensacola, Florida to develop a technical repair manual for the engine inlet of the TF-39C engine, which is used to power the Air Force's C-5 transport.

With the engine information in my files, I could track every aircraft that my crew was involved with, to any location in the world.


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posted on Nov, 13 2015 @ 02:09 PM
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Because the part and diameter of the engine were incorrect. The part was a previous generation part which not only would have been banned from FAA usage and no airline would have used it do to fuel efficiency standards, it was from the wrong engine and that modification was not a future modification. It was an incompatible part used on a specific engine type.

Today they add winglets and other modifications for fuel efficiency standards and at times even update to newer generation engines or change components for improvement such as plugs for thrust and more. Top commercial airlines do an amazing job day in and day out and their companies need to be commended even when they get complaints for other reasons when people take for granted the system not realizing it takes a great deal of work.


The specifics of the engine and part in question are related to the Murray street engine and John Lear already brought this up so I did not waste time rehashing the fbi.gov link and other official government agencies which have the actual photo and it clearly shows what it was which you can cross check yourself. Do your own research and at is why I am trying not to be specific, not because I am lying, I want people to see for themselves.

Thankfully there are honorable decent people out there who were not the cause of this but want the truth disclosed. The internet thanks to DARPA evolved greatly but that includes all the players who make this world a better place.

On the note of Donald Trump, he also ran Trump Shuttle out of La Guardia airport which folded. And he owns his own commercial jet of a jet type claimed to be utilized in the hijackings. His flight tracking has been shut down to public access as requested. I have no clue as to what modifications if any Trumps own jet has had but pics I have seen show it as a beautiful Trumpesque interior.

He does need to be vetted. But one would think based on his own experiences and even his own comnents in his books he knows more than has been publically disclosed.



originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: BlackOp007



If you have an engine with a different design that doesn't match, it is not the correct engine.


How do you know that a certain engine did not underwent a scheduled modification?


Each part is manufactured and different engines have different part assemblies and even serial numbers showing.


I know that because because I was the airframe/engine component repair supervisor/inspector/technician for defense contractors under an Air Force TF-39C engine contract at Travis AFB, CA. In fact, the Air Force and Raytheon Aerospace sent me to Pensacola, Florida to develop a technical repair manual for the engine inlet of the TF-39C engine, which is used to power the Air Force's C-5 transport.

With the engine information in my files, I could track every aircraft that my crew was involved with, to any location in the world.


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