Chinese Investment In UK Nuclear Could Threaten National Security

Here's where you heard it first.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Now the mainstream media are catching up.
home.bt.com...

.....senior military and intelligence figures have warned ministers that plans to allow China to take a stake in sensitive national infrastructure could pose a security risk.

One of the Chinese backers is the China National Nuclear Corporation, a state-owned body which helped to develop the country's nuclear weapons.

"There is a big division between the money men and the security side," a security source told the newspaper. "The Treasury is in the lead and it isn't listening to anyone - they see China as an opportunity, but we see the threat."

The newspaper reported there were concerns among senior military officers and fears that cyber "trapdoors or backdoors" could be inserted into IT systems, allowing Beijing to bypass British security measures.

Academics also expressed surprise at the UK's willingness to allow Chinese involvement.

Paul Dorfman, founder of the Nuclear Consulting Group, told the newspaper: "No one else in Europe would cut this deal. America wouldn't dream of letting China have such a part in its critical national infrastructure. The idea the UK is prepared to do so is, frankly, astounding."

Jeffrey Henderson, professor of international development at Bristol University, said: "There is no other major developed economy on the planet where I can imagine this being allowed to happen."

This is something we have to stop. The Treasury are clearly the enemy here. They are ignoring security experts. It has to be a set-up. There's no way this could be legit.


My question to you is this.

Can you think of a campaign catch phrase that sums up why Chinese Nuclear in Britain is not a good idea?

a reply to: Kester

I know what you mean. It is a bit like giving China the button to press. I wonder if they should really feel that secure about future relations? Then again, don't the U.S let the Chinese build weapon and military hardware electronics for them. Just the same really.

I bet the Chinese like this kind of thing very much.

a reply to: Revolution9

British Army trousers are now made in China. Lets hope they haven't added some kind of Wallace and Gromit technology.

so if China buys paper stock in a UK nuclear plant they get a red button?

a reply to: Vector99

The description of Chinese involvement we have been given is:

Chinese components.

Chinese workers.

Chinese design.


Your mention of paper reminds me. The course of action I'm recommending to see off this menace is sabotage the portaloos.

China. It's a long way to go for a poo.

There's a lot of conflicting information. Some days I hear it's just Chinese money. Other days I hear no, it will be Chinese workers and components.

One thing is certain, our government are lying to us, and have clearly demonstrated their willingness to sell us all out for a cheap quick profit.

We will of course pay through the nose for the energy generated. I recall reading about this some time ago and there was a contractual agreement regards control of cost to the consumer. The Chinese investors needed guarantee of price stability to ensure profit.

a reply to: midicon

I thought we'd made a deal with France a few years ago, where they'd build and maintain up to 15 new reactors and charge us umpteen squllions for the privilege?

Or is that not on now?

TBH, in the wake of the ongoing Fukushima disaster, i'm amazed anyone is thinking about new reactors, let alone Chinese reactors...i'm absolutely certain the Japanese thought they'd taken proper safety precautions, and yet...millions of tonnes of nuclear contamination has been and continues to spew into the worlds oceans at an alarming rate..and they want to build more?

Greedy, irresponsible swine.

a reply to: MysterX

France and China are in partnership on this deal. In a sense we are giving up control of our energy needs when China can set the tariff and our governments are powerless to intervene. Hey, it's much the same as it is now, our energy retailers are foreign companies who monopolise the market and cost.
I hate nuclear power and we are slowly but surely poisoning the environment. Nuclear plants on the coasts always seems like insanity to me.
It might seem silly, I can't say but in my simplistic imagination I think using skilled men...say our armed forces in great civil engineering projects that utilise hydro electricity might be worth pursuing.

originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: Revolution9

British Army trousers are now made in China. Lets hope they haven't added some kind of Wallace and Gromit technology.

Can you believe this? I heard it a few years ago at the British Army kit being made in China. Total disgrace. Whoever orders the kit should be tried for treason, hung, drawn and quartered.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: Revolution9

British Army trousers are now made in China. Lets hope they haven't added some kind of Wallace and Gromit technology.

Can you believe this? I heard it a few years ago at the British Army kit being made in China. Total disgrace. Whoever orders the kit should be tried for treason, hung, drawn and quartered.

A bit extreme don't you think? The army has a budget like everyone else. Is everything in your dwelling not only British made, but made by a company exclusively owned by British people? The chance of that is extremely slim yet you seem to want to impose different standards on others.

China just announced their first pursuit of a bona fide Fusion-Fission facility that trumps standard Nuclear output. This is either more propaganda or a euphemism for something more dubious.

all they need to is put a small nuclear bomb under it.
and if we ever go to war they just blow it all up.
a melt down is nothing to that.
even 5 ton of TNT !
its not just radioactive steam and dust.
it would be ALL the radioactive rods.
that would be the end of UK and all down wind.

I think you'll find that the government want the Chinese to put up the money but the construction and ownership will be EDF which if you don't know is the French NATIONALISED energy supplier. Did you get that? It's the French nationalised industry.
Now what you have to ask this government is "why is it OK for another countries nationalised industry to own British nuclear generation industry and why wont you nationalise ours so WE get the benefit not France"?

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: Revolution9

British Army trousers are now made in China. Lets hope they haven't added some kind of Wallace and Gromit technology.

Can you believe this? I heard it a few years ago at the British Army kit being made in China. Total disgrace. Whoever orders the kit should be tried for treason, hung, drawn and quartered.

A bit extreme don't you think? The army has a budget like everyone else. Is everything in your dwelling not only British made, but made by a company exclusively owned by British people? The chance of that is extremely slim yet you seem to want to impose different standards on others.

Actually most of my stuff is made in Great Britain, if not it's made in Europe or the USA/Japan. I don't like China or the Chinese people (not being anti asian btw, I love Japanese and they make some of the best stuff ever), they are a fake slave driven economy and they don't play fair, they have socialist slaves and fix their exchange rates. How can our industries compete with that? I buy British and their's no reason why not to unless you are not a true patriot. Dualit toaster, Hoover washer, Rangemaster cooker, Churchill ceramics, Silent Night bed, window blinds John Lewis, socks, tent, tools, even my trainers made in England by New Balance up in Cumbria. I do try and buy British! I hope people will help me by buying my products like I help them by buying theirs. I'm a British patriot and believe our products are worth buying. I will also buy stuff owned by foreigners as long as they do manufacture here, the car is a Toyota, make them in Derby but owned by Japanese for example. I think we should help our own, especially when we should be self sufficient military wise.

a reply to: crayzeed

There's also the Essex job.
www.bbc.co.uk...

...Chinese labour...Chinese components...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If the Chinese wanted us dead they would just add Ricin to our Curries and spring rolls.

a reply to: uncommitted

Locally manufactured stuff is more ecologically sound. Buying British is green. Buying imported stuff shows you aren't thinking, just reacting to advertising.

Working in the garment trade myself I'm aware of massive textile fraud being carried out by Chinese industry with British government approval.

I agree, cruel punishment is a little extreme. Teaching the guilty parties to use a sewing machine would be a more positive step.

originally posted by: Kester
a reply to: uncommitted

Locally manufactured stuff is more ecologically sound. Buying British is green. Buying imported stuff shows you aren't thinking, just reacting to advertising.

Working in the garment trade myself I'm aware of massive textile fraud being carried out by Chinese industry with British government approval.

Exactly

I just can't believe those sods in power are buying stuff from one - abroad and two - from our future number one adversary. Total swines by doing this. They don't care about the rest of the state. As long as everything is going ok with their departments. I really am dismayed by this.

On a side issue it's very interesting what you say about textile fraud by the Chinese. I know a South African who said they had the same over there, with uniopns helping the Chinese to destroy the South African textile industry.

Even if stuff costs a little more to make over here and things are pretty close if run well, the communities that were once the backbone of British society can be rebuilt. Jobs around, then less welfare to pay out and less tax to pay by us workers to fund the dolies. Community spirit restored outside the home conties which has been destroyed with whole town/cities closing down. Example today the S#horpe steel plant about to close in the morning's news, last week Redcar steelworks to shut destroying that area. Total madness, even our military won't support our industries. Our government are anything but patriots.