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Can capitalism exist without slavery?

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posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 05:51 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

It certainly cannot exist with out the exploitation of others which is a form of slavery if you ask me. Its the distribution of wealth to a very small minority that's the problem.




posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 06:06 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

Yes, it can.

But, it has to be capitalism, minus the greed.

Without greed, capitalism ought to work as a system. In fact, almost all social systems yet invented by Humanity would probably work fairly well without the greed element.

Whether that greed manifests as squeezing ever more profits or in the form of elevated positions of superiority or control over others, it doesn't really matter...it ultimately dooms whatever system is in operation.



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 06:11 AM
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originally posted by: CantStandIt


Slavery is where the laborer has no choice. In reality, it is totally my choice to whom I sell my time and skills and under what terms. I always have the option of starting my own business and being the one responsible for everything. So far, I have chosen not to do that...



The system as it is currently designed offers no choice of self sufficiency where you can run off to the woods and make it on your own like those in the 1800's did. You will be kicked off Federal Lands or Public Lands because most of those places have a limit of a few days to 30 days max before you have to move on.

You may have a choice on what capitalist you work for, but work for them you shall.
Neither Party offers any self sufficient policies whatsoever.

Even if I save up enough money from capitalists to buy a plot of land, the taxes and regulations by created by special interests groups insures they keep us enslaved. Ironically, majority of regulations are designed by crony capitalists themselves to kill off their competition and to take away peoples choices.

Monsanto is a glaring example that comes to mind with their no label laws in which they do not want consumers to have the choice to not buy GMO or how Multinational Corporations with the TPP set it up so that you cannot label what country products came from.

The Crony Capitalists in bed with the government do not want you to have any choices except to fill their pockets
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posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 07:31 AM
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Mankind's natural state is poverty. Barely scraping by with food and shelter is the normal condition of human existence.
Capitolism has lifted more people out of that poverty than anything else in history.



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 08:25 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

But...but...but that just doesn't feel fair. Just because someone works much harder than me, why shouldn't I have the same stuff as they do?
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posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: eluryh22


Because life is not fair! Lol
But yeah, you got it...



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: Bluntone22

Those people are generally the type that deserve to suffer some poverty, least it give them a a modicum of perspective regarding how the rest of us suffer so they can maintain there perverted lifestyle.



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: onequestion
I would agree that exploitation of labour is inherent within capitalism. I would not necessarily say that makes peoples slaves although depending on the circumstances and degree of exploitation people can find them selves so exploited and with so little option that they are effectively slaves.
Capitalism (as the name suggests) is a system that favours ownership over work. Whether people think that is a good or a bad thing is entirely subjective.



Right now in the world we live in most of our luxuries are dependant on what can be seen as slaves somewhere along the supply chain.

Think mining in Africa.

How else can you profit off of someone else's labor other than to pay them less than the value of the actual labor?

China, India, the Congo.
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posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: Bluntone22

But...but...but that just doesn't feel fair. Just because someone works much harder than me, why shouldn't I have the same stuff as they do?


What a load of crap. You probably don't even work that hard.

I bet the people in factories in China and mining operations in South Africa would laugh at you and what your definition of hard work is.

Meanwhile you go home to posh house with your nice car. "I work so hard I'm awesome".

What a joke.



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: onequestion

originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: Bluntone22

But...but...but that just doesn't feel fair. Just because someone works much harder than me, why shouldn't I have the same stuff as they do?


What a load of crap. You probably don't even work that hard.

I bet the people in factories in China and mining operations in South Africa would laugh at you and what your definition of hard work is.

Meanwhile you go home to posh house with your nice car. "I work so hard I'm awesome".

What a joke.


The joke is you making a lot of assumptions about someone in your vitriolic tone, just to further push your own ideology

You dont know them, you dont know what theyve been through, or go through every day....

How bout some respect for other people and their views, w out projecting your own issues onto them
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posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

nope
the joke is you
and history will not be kind

a fair and functioning system would not need to be defended the way you seem to think this one does
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posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: Bluntone22

But...but...but that just doesn't feel fair. Just because someone works much harder than me, why shouldn't I have the same stuff as they do?


That's BS.
Everyone who's been around long enough knows that the harder the work, the worst the pay.

The worst jobs I ever had we're minimum wage, the more money I make, the easier jobs get.



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 09:48 AM
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originally posted by: fartlordsupreme
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

nope
the joke is you
and history will not be kind

a fair and functioning system would not need to be defended the way you seem to think this one does


That doesnt even make any sense in regard to my post, did you even read it or are you just making random comments on threads again?



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: onequestion

A loan where the bank makes money for nothing.

Rock and roll over the future homeless of the world.

OOOORAH!!!.



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 10:03 AM
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Well aparently you can live in a communist country and still get rich.
China has now passed the United States in number of billionaires....

money.cnn.com...



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: eluryh22
a reply to: onequestion

Your logic is so broken I'm struggling to answer it.

You buy a plot of land for $1 Million to build a small apartment building.

You hire a design firm for $200 Thousand (they receive 21% overhead and PROFIT based on their proposal... standard practice)

You hire a contractor to build it for $500 Thousand (they receive 21% overhead and PROFIT based on their proposal... standard practice)

After completion you sell the apartments for a total of $2.5 Million

See how that works? You made $800 Thousand and the design firm and the contractor made money as well.



You're looking for the slaves in the wrong place, they seldom occupy the top rungs of the ladder.

Of course the investor, designer and contractor made money, that's three people.

What about the "workers?" You know, the people who actually built the structures. How'd they do?

Also, how does your explanation account for the capitalist who recently purchased that drug company and then immediately raised the price of his product by 5,000%???

While I agree that capitalism has some good attributes, unregulated capitalism is the breeding ground for unfettered greed and corruption.

This is why I like Bernie's self-imposed label as a "Democratic Socialist." There has to be some middle ground where the needs of society outweigh the right to unfettered profit & greed and I think that what he's talking about.



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
Well aparently you can live in a communist country and still get rich.
China has now passed the United States in number of billionaires....

money.cnn.com...



If your company happens to be in bed with the Gov lol
edit on 10/16/2015 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)


Not to mention look at the way they have to work in China, there are people literally killing themselves AT WORK just to make it stop

They have to put suicide nets on some businesses

People complain here, but they would NOT want to be working class in China
edit on 10/16/2015 by ManBehindTheMask because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 10:24 AM
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a reply to: Flatfish

Theres a massive difference between capitalism and crony capitalism...

The problem is people try to white wash both with a broad brush.....



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
Theres a massive difference between capitalism and crony capitalism...


I don't want to say I don't agree on the first degree but...
Unless tightly controlled by un-corrupted representatives of the population, how can capitalism not end the same way a Monopoly game ends?



posted on Oct, 16 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: theMediator

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
Theres a massive difference between capitalism and crony capitalism...


I don't want to say I don't agree on the first degree but...
Unless tightly controlled by un-corrupted representatives of the population, how can capitalism not end the same way a Monopoly game ends?



I've played monopoly, it never ends.....lol
No matter what economic system you choose, somebody is on top and somebody is on the bottom.



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