“Abducting Women” and “Destroying Churches” is “Real Islam”—Iraqi Grand Ayatollah

a reply to: infolurker

The problem is that the real face of Islam and the Islamic laws that are followed in countries that practice Islam in the middle east has been obfuscated with the so call "moderate Islam" that is been propagandized when many of the Islamic followers leave their countries, once they move out of the middle east they are call "Muslim moderates" because is sounds better for the residents of the countries they move into so they do not believe that they are all bad.

Is propaganda, their believes and laws that they were born into and have known all their lives will be with them no matter what countries they migrate into.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Yes they have and many of them have been received with approval in some of the Muslim countries while in others they still are considered second class even as elected leaders.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

For the information I have looked about the Muslim woman leaders only one is current President of Mauritius Bibi Ameenah Firdaus Gurib-Fakim (elected in 2015), since the middle eastern countries are having problems with terrorism and an increase in Islamic terrorist groups women has taken a step back unfortunately.

Benazir Bhutto was assassinated during her campaign. In Pakistan if anybody remember that.

It seems that the tensions in many of the Muslim countries with terrorist groups that were accepting female political leaders is one of the reasons of a major step back.

originally posted by: whyamIhere
Yes,

There is going to be a big war.

Soon

How?

Anyway, kill all Muslims.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: Bluntone22
I have posted this before but I still say it's true.

There are two types of muslims.
Extremist and moderate.

Extremist muslims want to kill all non muslims.

Moderate muslims want extremist muslims to kill all non muslims.

Basic and direct but the polls agree with this assessment.

Yes. So let's start over, in the article it is stated that:
[Expounded Al-Baghdadi]:

"If they are people of the book [Jews and Christians] we demand of them the jizya—and if they refuse, then we fight them. That is if he is Christian. He has three choices: either convert to Islam, or, if he refuses and wishes to remain Christian, then pay the jizya [and live according to dhimmi rules].

But if they still refuse—then we fight them, and we abduct their women, and destroy their churches—this is Islam!… Come on, learn what Islam is, are you even a Muslim?!

As for the polytheists [Hindus, Buddhists, etc.] we allow them to choose between Islam and war! This is not the opinion of Ahmad al-Husseini al-Baghdadi, but the opinion of all five schools of jurisprudence [four Sunni and one Shia]".


The objective is to convert all to the one true Islamic faith. Enslaving infidels is part of that procedure.

a reply to: [post=19927768]Willtell[/post You are absolutely correct Wahhabism is the problem. To pinpoint it to Afghanistan and imply the U.S. as a creator of the problem, I disagree with, to a degree. Radical Islam in its modern form probably started around 10 years before that and was shown off to the world at the Munich 1972 Olympics. Getting in bed with them in Afghanistan was a horrid U.S. mistake especially since the embassy in Iran was being held at virtually the same time.

However, for Islam to blame the U.S. for all the worlds problems when the Sauds had oil money to build a great society instead of a twisted religion is purely revisionist history. The current situation is entirely the fault of the Sauds and their coherts who developed radical Islam to take the spotlight off their own lavish lifestyles. The U.S. opportunistic use of some of the radicals in Afghanistan was a huge mistake. But, it does not fully explain where we ended up today. Rather, every time we think we have seen the worst, an even worse group comes along. In fact, the terrorists groups of the 70's are considered the moderates and good guys of the 21st century...

It will probably take a generation or two for this to work its way out, but, it starts with parents wanting a future for their kids rather than a machine gun and a bomb belt. When Islam starts caring about their own children, the problem will be solved. When Islam understands that it can make the world a better place by good deeds rather than aggression the problem will be solved. When these two things happen, Islam will cease to exist because no one will practice it. If it doesn't happen naturally, it will happen forcefully. To the poster that said a big war is coming. I would say that we have been in a huge low grade war since 1979. It will get bigger before it ends. But, if it becomes a hot war rather than a low grade war, there will be a name for it, WWIII.

Who is this person anyway ?

en.m.wikipedia.org...

His name is not on the list of iraqi ayatollahs.
All those on the list have either issued fatwas against ISIS or preach for peace. I have googled this idiots name and all i get is islamophobic and far right christian sites quoting him,looks like they are huge fans of his. Making a thread based on this idiots oppinions in order to bash all muslims equals to if i started a thread about christianity quoting WBC members. Ps, rememember to donate $ to the site from the OP.

a reply to: dougie6665

In the UK back in the 60s and 70's we had no segregation between the islamic men and women at college lectures. Suddenly clerics started to appear who insisted they sat separately etc so this unwelcome penetration into our society in the UK started quietly, within muslim groups well before the last 10 years. It has grown and grown until we have what we have today women looking like drab shrouds and some no-go areas. Also recently the attacking though hidden from the public by the media of white men outside a mosque in London. This wiil only spread as they outbreed us, although the benefit bill for large families is being slashed in a year or so.

I don't mind helping genuine refugees but its their religious ideas and the rules they choose to live under, which wouldn't suit my family whatsoever I don't want in any shape or form. Iran before its islamic revolution was a very different place I have been told by Iranian friends who have left it and wouldn't go back. (They were ordinary Iranians, not the particular friends or beneficiaries of the Shar).

Although what the difference in power and methods of persuasion forced on their publics would be if you compare the Saudi King to the Iranian Shar would be very interesting to see - despite top Western leaders thinking King Saud is great and turning a blind eye to Saudi human rights etc. I don't remember the Shar ordering crucifixions ,others on here will know this one though.

This thread is complete and utter nonsense.

The views of one Muslim taken and presented in a way to suggest all Muslims are out for blood and death.

The rampant racism on this site is disgusting, the level of ignorance an assault on free thinking.

Maybe instead of tarnishing over 1 billion people with the same brush we should take each individual as they come, pretty sure the interpretation of Islam varies wildly from person to person.

Shame on those calling for the extermination of an entire race, on both sides!!!

He's right about one thing, all religious buildings should be destroyed, as far as i can see all religion does is brainwash and divide for its own gain and control.

originally posted by: Boeing777

originally posted by: CallYourBluff
There is no such thing as a peaceful Muslim.The sooner the civilized,western world realize this the better.
Personally I believe the Muslims are being used to divide societies an cause in fighting of communities.

If what your claiming is true(which it isn't), you'd be seeing over a billion terrorist attacks everyday.

Really? Do all Muslims know how to make a bomb? Their support of such acts is all you need to know.

a reply to: Grenade

Different interpretations of Islam are fine etc but Sharia law is quite another thing which most of us don't want to see on our streets if the liberal loves push politically for this step in order to help the world is islam settle happily here ti will be a backwards step. Don't think I am being hard on muslims my family is multi racial and multi religious but with the influx of so many refugees many feel our way of life is possibly under threat.

It doesn't matter you have one guy like the Grand Iraqi Ayatollah voicing his poison, its who quietly listens to his words and carries out his bidding that helps create things like suicide bombers and the explosions the world keeps facing that kill innocent people we should be worried about. Men like him get to young children, especially boys and groom them into very dangerous adults.

a reply to: Shiloh7

And then you wonder why the so call moderate Muslims still wants to enforce their believes and laws in the countries they migrate too, what that tells you, is not such as accepting other countries laws, is their laws and the countries involved either accept them or else and that is the way is going to be.

a reply to: Grenade

A third world war, global war, a Holy war is brewing.. do you think faithful muslims in the Middle East are prepared for battle and for martyrdom? Of course they are..

You speak as though muslims are unwilling to fight go to war and die for their faith..the thread is not nonsense and it is entirely relevant to current day politics..

Here you might enjoy this read:irantruth.org...
The title of the article is the following:

EXCLUSIVE: First Translation of Khameini’s New Book on the Destruction of America, Israel

Introduction to the article:
"NOTE: What follows is the first significant translation of the newly-released book, ‘Palestine’ by Iran’s Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khameini. The page numbers below refer to the original PDF in Farsi (available here). This page will be updated as more of the book is available in translation."

[As Jonathan Tobin writes at Commentary:]
"The Khamenei Palestine book is important not in and of itself but because the regime’s obsession with Israel is a key to its foreign policy. Iran constitutes a grave threat to Neighboring Arab countries that are at least as angry about the president’s embrace of Tehran as the Israelis since their nuclear status would undermine their security. But as much as Iran is focused on regional hegemony in which Sunni states would be brought to heel, as Khamenei’s Palestine illustrates, it is the fixation on Israel and Zionism that really animates their expansionism and aid for terror groups."

The rest of the article about the book is found here:
irantruth.org...

Islamic religious leaders,their guidance and their teachings are most relevant and possess pertinent "sense,".

originally posted by: Willtell


No where in the Quran does it say to conquest, rape and force people to be Muslims.

Read the linked article:irantruth.org...

"As Taheri notes in his article on the book, Khamenei distinguishes his idée fixe about destroying Israel from European anti-Semitism. Rather, he insists, that his policy derives from “well established Islamic principles.” Chief among them is the idea that any land that was once ruled by Muslims cannot be conceded to non-believers no matter who lives there now. While the Muslim world seems to understand that they’re not getting Spain back, the territory that constitutes the state of Israel is something else. Its central location in the middle of the Muslim and Arab worlds and the fact that Jews, a despised minority people, now rule it makes its existence particularly objectionable to Islamists like Khamenei."

irantruth.org...

This very informative article was published just today, and is presently fresh off of the press..

Hating on Muslims, as usual.

This is new?

originally posted by: intrptr

This very informative article was published just today, and is presently fresh off of the press..

Hating on Muslims, as usual.

This is new?

Of course not..just trying to better understand the Islamic faith. Here is an interesting introductory excerpt from Ayatollah Khomeini's new just released just published book entitled Palestine:


Ayatollah Khameini: ‘Palestine’ (2015)


[Introduction by Dr. Ali Akbar Velayati]

"The role of Shia Ulama [Islamic leaders] in the complicated issue of Palestine has steadily moved toward reaching its goal. The issue of Palestine has had many extensive, large-scale reflections all around the world. The way Shia Ulamas, [scholars] including Motaharri, dealt with the issue of Palestine was to rely on Allah internally and on Muslims externally, which enabled them to fight against the oppressors with all their might. Having this in mind, it is worth it to know how this class of Muslim scholars approached the issue of Palestine and Zionism.

Mohammd Hasan Ibn Mohammad Ibrahim Gilani, one of these scholars, who in his own time had experienced an issue of occupation, as the Israeli-Palestine issue, emphasizes Jihad as a mandatory Islamic duty on Muslims’ shoulders. He states, “If the people of darkness and blasphemy attack Muslims’ lands and try to establish a non-Islamic political system in that land, jihad becomes a compulsory religious duty for all Muslims who are able to use a weapon. Sheikh Mohammad Reza Hamedani, who lived in 19th century, in his book, Trqib Ul Musliemin Ela Difa Ul Moshrekin [Encouraging Muslims to resist non-Muslims] expressly writes, “ The purpose of jihad is to preserve the seed of Islam and granting Islam prosperity and superiority. Until reaching that goal, the duty of jihad is compulsory.”


irantruth.org...

The book actually looks like an interesting read..I hope people are paying attention to the muslim's duty..

a reply to: Kemal

Everyone who are religious believe their own religious view is a true one.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: tony9802

There you have it from the horse's mouth.

He's one guy.

He doesn't represent all Muslims anymore then Bryan Fischer represents all Christians.

How come when it comes to muslims it's "just one guy" yet with christians we're all Timothy McVeigh? (Depending on the context of course)

a reply to: schadenfreude

List of Ayatollahs

en.m.wikipedia.org...

I'm sure they are not all happy with US invasion and presence in the middle east either with the reform of Islamic laws and becoming "moderate Islamic followers.