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Wal-Mart Cannot Afford the $10 Wage

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posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:23 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: vjr1113

China is a good example of capitalism's failures.

Sweat shops. Those hard workers, as MM said, get screwed.


China is a good example of Marxism's Communist/Socialist failures.

Totally.





In China, the government owns the corporations. Here, the corporations own the government and also have no qualms about socialistic handouts for themselves. Bit of a difference there. The things both have in common is that the elite run both countries, one way or another. Just a bit of a different model.




posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Do we have to go up on the jobs ladder? I do good in my job it is what Iam best at.
I don't want to go into team leading because of paperwork and no time with my clients.
I guess I deserve to be poor eh?.


You deserve to earn the wage you are working for, according to the needs/ability of your boss and the effort you put into your job.


Why should the needs or ability of my boss have any effect on my wages, unless I am a hot blonde servicing him? Seriously? Effort, you would recognize effort, anymore than you would recognize a zebra.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Well they are a growing super power... Is that a failure?

Now human rights side of it sure, but they are loving the capitalistic model of cheap labor for maximum profit for the already rich.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:27 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: vjr1113

China is a good example of capitalism's failures.

Sweat shops. Those hard workers, as MM said, get screwed.


China is a good example of Marxism's Communist/Socialist failures.

Totally.





The government of China does not own all of the corporations that exist in the country. They are privately owned. The government allows/assists them in their capitalist ways.

The only reason people believe they are communist is because the party with the most power is the Communist party. But they are not pushing communist ideals. They are helping capitalists.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu

it would be nice if everyone worked on commission, but that's not reality. who's to say how much the work you do is worth? your boss? instead of pointing fingers, get rid of poverty and stop fighting.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus




ETA: Oh, and I did it with $800 loan from my father. I didn't have a lot of money just an idea.


Listen, I have no doubt that you've busted your butt but I also have no doubt that with such a paltry beginning luck was a large part of your success. Lots and lots of people have good ideas and a good work ethic AND a much better start then 800 bucks and still get drummed out, most people in fact. Most rags to riches or even rags to middle class will admit that when push comes to shove, luck had just as much to do with their success as intelligence, tenacity and work ethic. The system is rigged in favor of the wealthy and the vast majority don't make it. I know everyone likes to feel special and like they deserve to succeed but I'd rather be lucky than good at what I do these days I'll tell you what.
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posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: vjr1113

no but why don't people tell the truth, it's not so much how hard you work as it is how smart you work?
to sit there and say that people are stuck in these low wage jobs because they haven't "worked hard" is ludicrous!! especially if you consider that alot of these low wage jobs are in sectors of society that are predominantly filled by women, women who, after they leave that low wage job will return home to spend the rest of their day working on another full time job as housewife, mother, nurse, tudor, maid, cook, and a whole lot more!



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: redhorse

I don't believe in luck.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:37 PM
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I get it.

You hate the poor.

Your father bought into the retirement idea through 401 k. The poor destroyed the market, your dad lost everything.

Got it, someone made a mistake betting their whole retirement on the stock market, now its everyone else's fault, even though they don't have the education or money to better themselves.

Your whole higher than thou attitude is really making you a bitter piss poor human being. It doesn't matter how much you give to charities,your pedestal is still standing high and mighty.


Preach on

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posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: vjr1113

no but why don't people tell the truth, it's not so much how hard you work as it is how smart you work?
to sit there and say that people are stuck in these low wage jobs because they haven't "worked hard" is ludicrous!! especially if you consider that alot of these low wage jobs are in sectors of society that are predominantly filled by women, women who, after they leave that low wage job will return home to spend the rest of their day working on another full time job as housewife, mother, nurse, tudor, maid, cook, and a whole lot more!



So are you suggesting woman aren't smart enough to make a living wage?

That sounds pretty sexist.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:41 PM
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a reply to: Sremmos80

I didn't say everybody, you did. There are exceptions to the majority, of course, but I speak from both perspectives. I take responsibility for having brought 4 children into this world and I feel it is MY responsibility, not my employers or my fellow man to raise them. I work hard and keep my self afloat. If I needed extra money, i would work for it, not expect my boss to provide my financial needs.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: liejunkie01
I get it.

You hate the poor.

Your father bought into the retirement idea through 401 k. The poor destroyed the market, your dad lost everything.

Got it, someone made a mistake betting their whole retirement on the stock market, now its everyone else's fault, even though they don't have the education or money to better themselves.

Your whole higher than thou attitude is really making you a bitter piss poor human being. It doesn't matter how much you give to charities,your pedestal is still standing high and mighty.


Preach on


I am a happy, content person who is very kind and generous. It is almost like you know nothing about me at all.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:44 PM
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a reply to: liejunkie01

It has nothing to do with hating the poor.

t has to do with understanding that certain things are only worth so much. I could hire someone to clean my floors, but not if I have to pay for their entire family to live off of that labor. If that is the going rate to have the convenience of not having to clean my floors or mow my lawn or any of the other small jobs I might consider hiring someone else to do periodically for a few dollars, then I will simply find another way to get those things done.

In that latter case, everyone loses. I lose the time I might have spent out doing other things and the person I might have hired loses the extra dollars he or she might have made.

In no case was I thinking of the job as a way to support a whole other family, just as a way to not have to mow or clean myself.

Heck, if doing my own housework was worth living wage, I would it myself and pay myself and my house would be spotless.


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posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:44 PM
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ok so lets go into this utopian fantasy. suddenly everyone can go to college and start their own business. everyone now has their own wallmart but no one to run it, no employees. then what happens?

i dont think we will every get rid or the super rich. when ppl start making more money, the cost of living will rise and so it goes on in a vicious circle. at this rate, there will always be poverty no matter what.
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posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: vjr1113
ok so lets go into this utopian fantasy. suddenly everyone can go to college and start their own business. everyone now has their own wallmart but no one to run it, no employees. then what happens?


I have employees, but I didn't create entry level jobs. My employees make between $25 - 32.50 an hour.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:48 PM
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originally posted by: vjr1113
ok so lets go into this utopian fantasy. suddenly everyone can go to college and start their own business. everyone now has their own wallmart but no one to run it, no employees. then what happens?


I don't know about you but there are plenty of people in my utopian dream world who legitimately need part-time labor and don't care so much about whether or not it's minimum wage because they don't need to support a household.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:49 PM
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No one should just be given food, water, and a home. We have enough resources to end homelessness, poverty, and hunger 15x over, but we don't do it. We don't demand it. No one is entitled to the basic provisions of life.


The life working at McDonalds just doesn't equal the life of the CEO or Boardmembersof McDonald's. The life of that waitress just isn't worth the life of that computer programmer. That's why we will never end those issues.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: liejunkie01



Heck, if doing my own housework was worth living wage, I would it myself and pay myself and my house would be spotless.



You have just defined every republican ever.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace
No one should just be given food, water, and a home. We have enough resources to end homelessness, poverty, and hunger 15x over, but we don't do it. We don't demand it. No one is entitled to the basic provisions of life.


The life working at McDonalds just doesn't equal the life of the CEO or Boardmembersof McDonald's. The life of that waitress just isn't worth the life of that computer programmer. That's why we will never end those issues.


You would allow people to suffer or starve, because of your view on what they are worth? Who died, and made you god?

ETA: Honestly who the F do you think you are to decide the worth of someone else? My court has spoken, and by your statements, you are probably one of the most worthless human beings on the face of the earth.
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posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:54 PM
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originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: EternalSolace
No one should just be given food, water, and a home. We have enough resources to end homelessness, poverty, and hunger 15x over, but we don't do it. We don't demand it. No one is entitled to the basic provisions of life.


The life working at McDonalds just doesn't equal the life of the CEO or Boardmembersof McDonald's. The life of that waitress just isn't worth the life of that computer programmer. That's why we will never end those issues.


You would allow people to suffer or starve, because of your view on what they are worth? Who died, and made you god?


People are responsible for themselves. It isn't my job to save everyone.

I ain't Jesus.
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