The thousandth Sanders thread: we should vote for him loud and clear.

I realize there's a lot of other threads out there talking about Sanders, whether its for or against, but watching the latest democratic debate, I'll outline my own reasons why I think we should vote for him.

For the record, I've historically identified as conservative, Republican. While I've adapted my stances on some issues, it goes against my nature to vote in a socialist, but when thought about with more reasoning, the most successful economies in the world are socialistic, so I cannot deny it's worth giving a shot, even in this "capitalistic, democratic" nation.

Here's a couple reasons I like Sanders.

His promises and ideologies are far different from anything we've had in recent history, we certainly need change, and almost all other candidates seem to promise the same flavor of change we've disliked for too many years. Sanders isn't just tackling small partisan problems, or promising different minorities a better life. He's talking about all of us.

He addresses wall Street and political and business corruption and greed more directly than any other candidate. He doesn't seem to do so to win votes, or increase popularity, but seems to truly hold these stances. - take trump, a wall Street billionaire himself, he's the pot calling the kettle black when he talks against corporate greed. Anyone with large amounts of super pac money would be lying through their teeth if they acted like they aren't friends with these greedy people.

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On a personal note, he seems the least silly, and the least like he's reading from a teleprompter. Maybe I'm just biased, but Sanders feels more real than any other candidate. Which I suppose begs a question -how is he being noticed? is he big enough and true enough to break trends and be featured by the media regardless of billionaire support? Is he "allowed" coverage to give the people a semblance of hope for real change, so we believe we are still a free nation? Could he be another bought politician and just look different on the outside? You know my own opinion, I'd like to hear some from other members.

Bernie is promising a vastly differently America - so either he'll deliver it, or he'll be held most accountable. He's promising to take on the biggest problem in America, possibly the world. Others focus on the small issues, issues that are close to a lot of people, but not the big overlying problem.

Each president has a thousand tiny promises, and gets that much more voters with each issue - they don't have to deliver on these. Only a smaller amount of the population was promised what they wanted. These are agendas. It's propaganda. It's bull #. If the puppet masters get what they want out of their faithful puppet, they'll ensure the media paints said person in a good light. Let's shake Obamas hand for pressing forward on gay marriage. Let's give him a hug because he wants to take away those nasty guns and stop mass shootings. All I see is manipulation and control.

Should Sanders fail to deliver results of the magnitude he speaks of.. Well, it will be reason for a huge rising up of citizens not delivered what they desire. It won't be a few percent that want this right or that, it won't be about religious topics, or partisan issues - something bigger would happen, if we as a people demand his type of change, and are not given it.

Bernie is making a huge leap forward, saying he plans on taking on the puppet masters themselves.

What do you ats members think? Is he another corrupt politician himself? Or Could he be our game changer?

Me? I think we should vote for him, but more than just on the ballot. With signs, rallies, online support, spread the word far and wide that the biggest promise comes from thi man. Then, make sure the media can't veer us towards Clinton, Bush, and trump - in my opinion, these three follow the trend of do nothing presidents, and will just allow America to half-thrive as it has been for too many years.

Cheers ats,

Deadlyhope

a reply to: deadlyhope

Bernie Sanders is a very unique candidate - everything he says he seems to truly believe, and right now he seems to be representing a pretty accurate perspective on things in terms of Wall Street and the Big Banks unfairly controlling our government. He recognizes how their greed and negligence led to the 2008-2009 financial crisis and that things have only gotten worse since then (McCutcheon et. al vs. FEC is a prime example).


I was born and raised in Vermont, but that's not the reason I believe in his cause/candidacy. Like i said at the beginning of my post, he is very passionate and has a fire about him that instills a belief in myself (and many others) that he truly intends to do what he says he will do. He has a great track record as a Senator and other elected positions (Mayor of the City of Burlington for one).

I agree, more than just voting people should try to get even more involved. Thanks for sharing OP

a reply to: FamCore

I agree that he he passion, and fire and can better speak to the people.

But with politicians being who they are, and the senators, congressman, and courts having the power they do.. This guy has our insurance policy.

If we create a movement thousands of times larger than occupy wall Street, in the form of voting in Sanders with such an idea in mind.. Failure would cause an uprising.

I'm not condoning or hoping for rioting, or chaos - but this nation NEEDS change. If this man can lead us, awesome, if not - we will further expose the higher powers, seeing their hands meddle in our government, and we can further do something about the enemy that we will be able to see better.

I'm sort of in the same position as you. Before I heard about Bernie all you would see from me on this site is all politicians only care about their next vote and that I would never vote. I was screaming lobbyists and their corps were ruining the country by allowing money in politics. Anyone using any amount of common sense can see that legislation is being sold to the highest bidder. So in turn the little people get the shaft.

One of the main things about him that catches my eye is he actually seems genuine for once and not a puppet reading from a teleprompter. Hell, most of his own party doesn't even like him...which says volumes to me. Great thread OP and hope it grabs some attention.

a reply to: amicktd

Thanks! He definitely does seem genuine. He doesn't seem scripted, but at the same time he's a lot more coherent and direct than others. Hilary is a robot,and trump is a monkey. He is articulate, direct, passionate. Definitely not the traits of a common corrupt politician, me thinks.

I am a conservative/constitutional/libertarian/whatever, and I agree with him on some points. The Wall Street kleptocracy has got to end. It is ruining this country and enriching the top .1% - he is right about that. Fiscal conservatives should know this and want it remedied.

He is wrong about guns, though. He is wrong about a lot of other things as well, but the thing that is dangerous about this guy - and you should all be aware - are the METHODS by which he hopes to accomplish his agenda. He is a socialist by his own admittance. Socialism never works, ever. Oh, just because this is America doesn't mean it will work here - it won't. Look how bad things already are under socialism lite with 0bama.

Don't vote for a socialist, no matter what they say. If you're an adult you should know this.

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: deadlyhope

__________ is a very unique candidate - everything he says he seems to truly believe, and right now he seems to be representing a pretty accurate perspective on things in terms of ________________ unfairly controlling our government. He recognizes how their greed and negligence led to the _______ financial crisis and that things have only gotten worse since then.


I was born and raised in _________, but that's not the reason I believe in his cause/candidacy. Like i said at the beginning of my post, he is very passionate and has a fire about him that instills a belief in myself (and many others) that he truly intends to do what he says he will do. He has a great track record as a _______ and other elected positions.

I agree, more than just voting people should try to get even more involved. Thanks for sharing OP

take the places and other identifying info out and you could be talking about Adolf Hitler.

a reply to: HighDesertPatriot

You could say the same about any historical figure with strong leadership qualities, your point?

originally posted by: HighDesertPatriot
I am a conservative/constitutional/libertarian/whatever, and I agree with him on some points. The Wall Street kleptocracy has got to end. It is ruining this country and enriching the top .1% - he is right about that. Fiscal conservatives should know this and want it remedied.

He is wrong about guns, though. He is wrong about a lot of other things as well, but the thing that is dangerous about this guy - and you should all be aware - are the METHODS by which he hopes to accomplish his agenda. He is a socialist by his own admittance. Socialism never works, ever. Oh, just because this is America doesn't mean it will work here - it won't. Look how bad things already are under socialism lite with 0bama.

Don't vote for a socialist, no matter what they say. If you're an adult you should know this.

If your worried about guns, then you should be worried about the other Democratic candidates. Honestly, I don't see Bernie ever pushing for more gun laws. Your gonna have to do more than just say socialism never works to sway me.

a reply to: HighDesertPatriot

www.differencebetween.net...

Socialism vs Democratic Socialism

Democratic socialism gives more importance to a democratic character. While having almost the same principles as that of socialism, democratic socialism believes in a socialism through the ballot box. It states that any change in government and society should be through fair elections.

Right now sanders has my vote and the more I see of Rand Paul, he's my guy on the right. They both seem sincere.

I'd pick Sanders over Paul right now though. He won the debate by all internet polls, every says he did, but CNN and Huff post are both mainly saying that Clinton won. Interesting to see the media already in Clinton's pocket.

a reply to: deadlyhope

"Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says, "They suck". But where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. No, they come from American homes, American families, American schools, American churches, American businesses, and they're elected by American voters. This is the best we can do, folks. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out.

....I have solved this political dilemma in a very direct way: I don't vote. On Election Day, I stay home. I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. Now, some people like to twist that around. They say, "If you don't vote, you have no right to complain", but where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain.
I, on the other hand, who did not vote -- who did not even leave the house on Election Day -- am in no way responsible for that these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess that you created. That I didn't have anything to do with. So when you're having one of those swell elections that you like so much...on that day I will be doing essentially the same as you...the only difference is when I get done masturbating I'll have a little something to show for it."
-George Carlin

This is why I don't vote. If I am going to vote, the person will really have to convince me otherwise.

a reply to: HighDesertPatriot

There's different types of socialism. The top nations of the world have socialistic bases. It has and does work, to a certain point. It's been proven that any idealogy can only last so long. There's even quotes people claim are from our forefathers that say the system they implemented was never meant to be permanent.

The difference of America? If we adopt currently successful socialistic ideologies, we have the system to get out, should it begin to fail. As of now, capitalism and democracy has turned into an oligarchy. We used to be able to brag that we had the best system, not anymore. So let's try something new. And if that doesn't work? Other nations may attempt to keep the same ideas alive even through their fall. We can rise above all that.

I say we start with Bernie. We try some socialism - attempt to copy current working models around the world, until we need to change again. All I know is that we need change, and he's offering it in a bigger way than any other candidates.

Bernie Sanders is the guy who promotes $18T in new government spending when the same government is a bit more than $18T in the hole. If he can figure out how to rob us of another $18T within the 10 years he says he can come up with this cash, why isn't he proposing to pay off the money we owe and use THAT savings (i.e. the money to we are currently spending to service the $18T in debt) to pay for new spending?

In short, I have serious issues with his economic acumen. If I ran my household like he proposes to run our government, I'd be applying for bankruptcy inside a year. The banks will own us more than they already do.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Bernie Sanders is the guy who promotes $18T in new government spending when the same government is a bit more than $18T in the hole. If he can figure out how to rob us of another $18T within the 10 years he says he can come up with this cash, why isn't he proposing to pay off the money we owe and use THAT savings (i.e. the money to we are currently spending to service the $18T in debt) to pay for new spending?

In short, I have serious issues with his economic acumen. If I ran my household like he proposes to run our government, I'd be applying for bankruptcy inside a year. The banks will own us more than they already do.

So who do you support? Honestly, no matter who is in office the country is gonna continue to go into debt. At least he is wanting to spend money rebuilding the country instead of bombing 3rd world countries.

a reply to: HighDesertPatriot

Not to be rude, but the old "replace that name with Hitler" argument was cute when I was like 16. You can apply it to anyone that was slightly charismatic or seemed like a good leader , ever. The evil and the righteous. The good and bad.

a reply to: amicktd

No one yet, but definitely not anyone who thinks the answer is more spending, spending, spending without addressing the very real government fiscal issues.

a reply to: amicktd

Need I remind you that Obama was against bombing 3rd World countries too, until he was for it.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: amicktd

Need I remind you that Obama was against bombing 3rd World countries too, until he was for it.

Need I remind you I'm not an Obama fan? Just read a few posts up. Flame on

I dont vote I dont believe in the system.



George Carlin - Voting is meaningless