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What are you snorting in the picture?
The secretive government agency that flies spy satellites has made a stunning gift to NASA: two exquisite telescopes as big and powerful as the Hubble Space Telescope. They’ve never left the ground and are in storage in Rochester, N.Y.
It’s an unusual technology transfer from the military-intelligence space program to the better-known civilian space agency. It could be a boost for NASA’s troubled science program, which is groaning under the budgetary weight of the James Webb Space Telescope, still at least six years from launch.
The two NRO telescopes may be versions of the KH-11 Kennan satellites that the agency has been putting into orbit since 1976, according to a space analyst familiar with both civilian and military hardware. The analyst said that in recent years, the NRO has decided to switch to surveillance satellites that have a broader field of view than the older models.
The two optical telescope assemblies (OTAs only, not full satellites) offered to NASA from the NRO in January 2011 were initially suspected to be KH-11 series "extra hardware." but later attributed to the Future Imaging Architecture program.
The top, side bays for the decoy sub satellites can be seen in the Bus-1 literature along with it navigation star trackers and attitude control thruster racks (ref. NASA Space Station Redesign Team Final; Report), (ref. Boeing Historian Office provided unclassified Lockheed document “Bus-1 Implementation Concept for Space Station Alpha”). The two main thrust chambers of the Bus-1 module are also prominently displayed. All of the misty satellite buses carry deployable decoys and radar, light reflecting cloaking devices and mission specific packages. It almost certainly carries Passive – store dump SIGINT – COMINT packages in addition to communication dishes both for satellite to satellite and up, down links. Misty
Enhanced Imaging System (EIS), officially referred to as "Enhanced Imagery System", previously known as 8X, and sometimes unofficially known as Misty 2 and KH-13, is an American reconnaissance satellite programme. A derivative of the Improved Crystal satellites, EIS replaced Misty, and was intended to provide more coverage and dwell time than previous reconnaissance satellites; like Misty, it has stealth capabilities. Only one EIS satellite has been launched; USA-144, which was placed into orbit by a Titan IVB rocket on 22 May 1999.
To acquire the high-quality imagery needed to select Apollo landing sites on the Moon, NASA officials contacted the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) beginning in 1961 about using classified cameras in lunar probes. NASA eventually selected Kodak's SAMOS E-1 film readout system as the best candidate. The E-1 had flown several times before all SAMOS film readout systems were cancelled in late 1961 (Document 17). NASA and the DoD signed the "DOD/CIA-NASA Agreement on NASA Reconnaissance Programs" in August 1963 establishing the procedures under which NASA could acquire and use classified cameras for lunar photography (Document 18). Shortly thereafter, NASA and the NRO signed a Security Annex establishing the classification levels of about 40 types of information relating to the agreement (Document 19).
The NRO and NASA reached an agreement in August 1965 limiting the capabilities of NASA's space-based image-forming sensors used to photograph the Earth to the equivalent of 20 meters from low-Earth orbit. It also required the NRO to review all of NASA reconnaissance-related activities as broadly defined in the agreement (Document 24).
Sure it's plausible that someone told her something. That doesn't make it true. That makes it hearsay. At best. If someone actually told her that.
I see Donna's story entire plausible.
Not really. It has nothing to do with her story about the Moon.
It doesn't make her story true -- but it certainly lends a lot more weight behind it being possible.
NASA used NRO images to find Apollo landing sites,
When do you think Apollo 11 landed? Exactly? When do you think the Orbiter missions occurred? When do you think the landing sites were decided upon?
So starting in the mid 70's the NRO had these KH-11's that could take pictures like this:
originally posted by: MystikMushroom....
The assertation that NASA didn't have imagery capable of taking photos like what Donna saw is true -- the Landsats (Lanstat 1 launched in 1972) and Skylab (1973-1979) didn't have near the resolution capable of capturing images close to what Donna claimed.
But the NRO did.
In fact, NASA has played an instrumental role in helping the NRO get some of its spy satalites into orbit, why is it any stretch of the imagination that the photos she saw were taken by a KH-11? From the photo above you can almost make out individual people.
So we know the technology existed, we know NASA has even launched one of the most highly secretive satellites (Misty) ever for the NRO, and we know that the photos taken by the NRO certainly fit the resolution described by Ms. Hare.
.......So we have capability, opportunity, established working relationships ... When you dig into the actual history of the now non-classified technology, its capabilities, and how the NRO worked with NASA over the years (all the way to STS-36 with Misty in 1990) -- I see Donna's story entire plausible.
originally posted by: MystikMushroom...
And I'm not sure why seeing a "tree and its shadow" has anything to do with Donna seeing a UFO airbrushed out of a photo. Regardless, I have shown that the NRO had the capability to image a tree and its shadow in any case ...
So the argument that NASA didn't have the imaging -- is complete hogwash. NASA used NRO images to find Apollo landing sites, and made agreements with the NRO through the 60's and 70's and even launched one of the NRO's most secret projects of all time with STS-36.
originally posted by: wtbengineer
a reply to: Phage
Thanks Phage, I guess looking at it closer that it does resemble a young Hynek without the beard and all.
originally posted by: Cosmic911
a reply to: JimOberg
[Donna's highest possible clearance]
I'm just curious about this. Is there a reason her clearance was SECRET? Was there no reason for her to have clearance above this level? Thanks in advance for the reply!