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What is to stop the alCIAda from running islamic terrorists into China from Indonesia?

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posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 12:49 AM
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What is to stop the alCIAda from running islamic terrorists into China from Indonesia?

Western intelligence agencies have had a history co-oping terrorist organizations and steer them from within.

www.wsj.com...

ISIS may have been co-oped by western intelligence.

www.politifact.com...
moroccantimes.com...
www.zerohedge.com...

I think the central intelligence mafia at Langley Virginia might pull something like this. Maybe they run jihadists into the US to turn into a classical fascist tyranny.

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posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 01:12 AM
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Geography and passports is your three word answer. People leave China generally, not go into it for anything more than business or holidays.

China is far from accommodating toward Islam and for obvious reasons - the one religion that ALWAYS seems to have violence and terror attached to it's name is this one.

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posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 01:22 AM
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This basically.



It is that simple.

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posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 01:23 AM
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a reply to: markosity1973

Not legally run terrorists into a country.

The western intelligence is known for doing stuff like this.

Starting to think this terrorist threat is engineered for geopolitical gain.
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posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 01:28 AM
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I believe it would be more effective to cultivate local Chinese dissidents into a terrorist group than to transplant foreign terrorists there.



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 01:32 AM
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It seems there's a new sheriff in town, and his name is Vladimir Putin.



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 01:34 AM
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I think this is already happening:


China starts anti-terrorism campaign



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 01:57 AM
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Have you real examples where the Western intelligence services co-opt terrorist organisations? You know "real" examples.

Besides, China already has a problem with Islamic terrorism, although China's controlled press means that little escapes. Hardly surprising as the Chinese do tend to bully minorities.



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 02:27 AM
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originally posted by: abe froman
It seems there's a new sheriff in town, and his name is Vladimir Putin.


Really?

and our military budget is bigger than the entire world's combined.

www.businessinsider.com...

Russia is no real threat to the United States.



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 02:41 AM
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originally posted by: paraphi
Have you real examples where the Western intelligence services co-opt terrorist organisations? You know "real" examples.

Besides, China already has a problem with Islamic terrorism, although China's controlled press means that little escapes. Hardly surprising as the Chinese do tend to bully minorities.


www.cia.gov...

Support for Coup in 1970. Under “Track II” of the strategy, CIA sought to instigate a coup to prevent Allende from taking office after he won a plurality in the 4 September election and before, as Constitutionally required because he did not win an absolute majority, the Chilean Congress reaffirmed his victory. CIA was working with three different groups of plotters. All three groups made it clear that any coup would require the kidnapping of Army Commander Rene Schneider, who felt deeply that the Constitution required that the Army allow Allende to assume power. CIA agreed with that assessment. Although CIA provided weapons to one of the groups, we have found no information that the plotters’ or CIA’s intention was for the general to be killed. Contact with one group of plotters was dropped early on because of its extremist tendencies. CIA provided tear gas, submachine-guns and ammunition to the second group. The third group attempted to kidnap Schneider, mortally wounding him in the attack. CIA had previously encouraged this group to launch a coup but withdrew support four days before the attack because, in CIA’s assessment, the group could not carry it out successfully.

www.judicialwatch.org...

Evidence of arming insane jihadi terrorists.

www.nytimes.com...

Brother of afghanistan leader Karzai was on CIA payroll.

www.nytimes.com...

CIA funded al-qaeda.

www.theguardian.com...

CIA and MI6 helped fund ISIS.

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posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 04:50 AM
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Oh. But any real of systematic support of the aims of terrorist organisations? Bribing some leaders brother or (allegedly) supplying weapons to one party in a complex civil war is not proof of systematic support, manipulation or leadership of that group. Just because the Guardian speculates that the CIA and MI6 fund ISIS does not make it true.

History is littered with examples of using indigenous forces as insurgents or counter insurgents to move a policy. In Syria it was to support the uprising against Assad, who's not a nice man. Everyone does it, Russia most recently in Ukraine.



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 04:51 AM
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Honestly I don't see any issues China's pushing hard against organized religion, I don't see it becoming an issue for them, but then again, they aren't the pandering US.
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posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 05:39 AM
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Why would the CIA want to smuggle Islamic terrorists into China? Why bring them in from Indonesia. where they could be intercepted by the navy and/or air force? There are already Islamic separatists in the West; why not just arm them?



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 07:20 AM
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Terror groups tend to have local agendas despite all the take over the world talk. The Chinese have enough problems of their own why would the US want to make that worse? The US could cause huge problems for Russia by funding and arming groups like this in Russia but, does not. Why? It could have something to do with US spending the last 50 years hunting and killing most of these groups.



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 09:37 AM
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I think Islamic terrorists are more likely to be coming from two south east asian sources. Malaysia. esespecially near its north boarder. then also from western and southern Philippines. the island's of sulu and Mindanao region.

in the Philippines the terrorists are pretty corralled by the philippino special forces who hunt them aggressively.

the Malaysian ones are basically the biggest problems as they sneak into north Indonesia on the island's of Sumatra and north west java and do terrorist bombings there. Indonesia doesn't appreciate their antics and cracks down hard on them. the other ones live in north Malaysia and do terrorist attacks on Thailand who really isn't cool with them.

so I think the above places and countries is where the terrorists would spawn from not so much Indonesia.

as for china. they already have a large Islam population. have for hundreds of years. they have in some parts their own mosques and sections of the cities. they don't cause many problems historically. unlike the recent spat of terrorist act stemming from far north western Chinese Islam practitioners. Islam has a part in Chinese culture and history. a large part of what most people would recognize as kung fu (the flowery stuff most often seen in wushu and northern long fist-Chang chuan. ) was developed by chinese followers of islam. so China's had a long history of dealing with Islam and muslims.

don't see why whomever would need to sneak them into China since they have always been there. just subvert those already living there for hundreds of years.



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 10:38 AM
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Actually, the problem in many parts of Southeast Asia is Buddhist extremism. And they're the ones targeting Muslims, not the other way around.

How an Extremist Buddhist Network Is Sowing Hatred Across Asia
Buddhist Extremism and the Hypocrisy of 'Religious Violence'
Surge of radical Buddhism in South Asia
Extremism Rises Among Myanmar Buddhists
In Myanmar's election year, radical Buddhism heightens tension
Sri Lanka’s Violent Buddhists
Why are Buddhist monks attacking Muslims?

EDIT: Sorry, didn't mean to reply specifically to BASS's post.
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posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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all good. my point was there are large populations of Islamic people in China and pretty much all of Indonesia who have no interest in fighting anybody. they've been living there peacefully for hundreds of years. contributing to art and culture.

even here in america if you like kung fu panda odds are half of those moves are from Islamic kung fu arts. if you like the Bourne identity or the raid 1 & 2 or the book of eli. all of those fighting sequences are based on a martial art that's largely influenced by Islamic martial arts brought over to the region hundreds of years ago. forgive me if I'm not coming up with better examples since Im a martial arts dork, but it shows that there are Muslim elements of our culture and society were have been happily living with for years and never noticed or were aware of.



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: enlightenedservant

all good. my point was there are large populations of Islamic people in China and pretty much all of Indonesia who have no interest in fighting anybody. they've been living there peacefully for hundreds of years. contributing to art and culture.

even here in america if you like kung fu panda odds are half of those moves are from Islamic kung fu arts. if you like the Bourne identity or the raid 1 & 2 or the book of eli. all of those fighting sequences are based on a martial art that's largely influenced by Islamic martial arts brought over to the region hundreds of years ago. forgive me if I'm not coming up with better examples since Im a martial arts dork, but it shows that there are Muslim elements of our culture and society were have been happily living with for years and never noticed or were aware of.


Oh I agree. Indonesia has roughly 3 times as many Muslims as the entire Arabian Peninsula. If they were interested in some large scale terrorism war, we'd certainly know about it.

And yeah, a lot of African American celebrities & athletes are Muslims. So I completely agree that there are Muslim elements of our culture and society that people never realized.



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
And yeah, a lot of African American celebrities & athletes are Muslims. So I completely agree that there are Muslim elements of our culture and society that people never realized.


Are these Muslim athletes and celebrities portraying American culture or Muslim? In fact, what is Muslim culture?

The counties where Muslims are predominant have wide and varied cultures, they just so happen to follow one of several forms of Islam. The culture in Saudi Arabia is totally different from Tunisia. Yet all counties where Muslims predominate tend to treat women poorly and have shoddy human rights. Are these issues cultural?



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 06:57 PM
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There are some 2 billion muslims on earth. 99.95% of them are normal people and care about thier families and want the best for them. Westboro Baptist church is not normal christianity. Jihadism is not normal modern islam.
They are fringe cults that can be controlled by intelligence gophers.

The media here likes to make it seem like there are millions of crazed terrorists in the world. When they are just a small fringe insane cult armed by the CIA. Just look at the "rebels" in Syria they are arming or the "rebels" in Libya.

There are .01 of muslims are radicalized jihadist cult members. Western intelligence has co-oped these people for political gain. All I am saying is that the CIA can use these people to destabilize both China and the USA or any other country.




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