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BREAKING : Vladimir Putin says Russia will fight for the right of Palestinians to their own state

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posted on Oct, 13 2015 @ 11:32 PM
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originally posted by: DEV1L79
Russia should keep it's nose out. Palestine is an evil terrorist state that has no rights to exist. It kills it's own civillians to martyr them and gain media sympathy. Palestine and Hamas must be stopped they are just bullies with big brothers all around them. Israel is a small piece of land surrounded by Arab states all vying for it's blood. Palestine is just a bully. Don't fall for Pallywood lies and propaganda.


Israel is a country that was created out of thin air by stealing territory from Palestine that was inhabited by millions of Palestinians and conducting a campaign of terrorism against the British. The "Jewish" state (which is what they call themselves; proof of its racism) was populated by people from Europe, many who were sent there through an agreement with Hitler. Palestine is a bully because the people want their homes back that have been bulldozed by an invading army and because they resist the genocide of their people. What is going on in Palestine is a holocaust perpetrated by the Jewish terrorists. That is why the "Jews" invented the holocaust and took control of the media, governments, and banks throughout the world. That is why you had a 9-11. In the months before 9-11 public opinion in the US had turned towards the Palestinians and against Israel. All Americans must hate Palestinians and Arabs in general. If the American people start realizing the truth in mass like they did before 9-11, we will have another 9-11. Israel (America) does not like Russia bombing their army, ISIS. Look for a false flag attack to be blamed on Russia like the US did with MH-17.




posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 01:46 AM
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originally posted by: Adaluncatif

originally posted by: DEV1L79
Russia should keep it's nose out. Palestine is an evil terrorist state that has no rights to exist. It kills it's own civillians to martyr them and gain media sympathy. Palestine and Hamas must be stopped they are just bullies with big brothers all around them. Israel is a small piece of land surrounded by Arab states all vying for it's blood. Palestine is just a bully. Don't fall for Pallywood lies and propaganda.


Israel is a country that was created out of thin air by stealing territory from Palestine that was inhabited by millions of Palestinians and conducting a campaign of terrorism against the British. The "Jewish" state (which is what they call themselves; proof of its racism) was populated by people from Europe, many who were sent there through an agreement with Hitler. Palestine is a bully because the people want their homes back that have been bulldozed by an invading army and because they resist the genocide of their people. What is going on in Palestine is a holocaust perpetrated by the Jewish terrorists. That is why the "Jews" invented the holocaust and took control of the media, governments, and banks throughout the world. That is why you had a 9-11. In the months before 9-11 public opinion in the US had turned towards the Palestinians and against Israel. All Americans must hate Palestinians and Arabs in general. If the American people start realizing the truth in mass like they did before 9-11, we will have another 9-11. Israel (America) does not like Russia bombing their army, ISIS. Look for a false flag attack to be blamed on Russia like the US did with MH-17.


Cant steal what never was. It wa s never a official country or had a government. Its only thanks to WESTERN ROMANS that this whole mis naming happenned to spite the hebrew people. you can look it up. as such th e name should had been stricken as the name for th e area. but th e league of nations didnt think it through.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 01:50 AM
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originally posted by: Grenade

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Grenade

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Grenade

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: felonius
a reply to: maddy21

israel should be the one unassing land.

they stole it and murdered for it.

go russia!




UN resolution 242. read it.


Are you justifying Israels actions based on it defending its security?

Not sure what you are alluding to, technically a child throwing a stone at a tank could be a violation of 242 but shooting the child is a far greater human rights breach. If Israel wants security it should stop stoking the fires by ending the mass genocide of Palestinians.


As far as the surrounding countries claiming their land is being occupied yes, Also Jews also called themselve palestinian at one time as well remember? They technically have rights to th eland. The "other palestinians" are part of trans jordan who will never reclaim them because they could not get along with the jordanian government.

Theres nto a mass genocide going on. thats collatorral damage. and youre falling for the propaganda.


Putting people behind a wall and denying them basic human rights, water, food, medical supplies etc based on their ethnicity then continuing to bombard them indiscriminately causing predominantly civilian casualties is the very definition of genocide. You're right in some ways, the Jews and Arabs in Israel / Palestine should live under equality as one country and one people, however the persecution from my perspective looks one way.

Describing the deaths of innocent civilians, the majority of whom are women and children as collateral damage is disgusting!

How many UN medical centers, official hospitals and medics have Israel targeted during their campaigns?


The "palestinians" in th ewest bank are not of th earea called palestine. they are from JORDAN. And JORDAN has REFUSED to take them AND the land back from Israel. IF anything JORDAN is the one in VIOLATION. Egypt and Israel made up with each other and were given back control of Gaza,but did it bring peace? nope. Syria also refuses to acknowledge israel a sa nation and as such is also in breach of international agreements to the UN that wa sset up during cease fire negotiations.


Why quote me if you aren't going to address a single thing i said?

I really couldn't care less about the politics behind the massacre or who you want to blame. The fact remains that the people in Gaza and the West Bank are treated as sub-human by the Israeli government and it must stop.


The people in GAZA and WEST BANK are refugees that their own countries despise and will not repatriate so its them treating them as sub human. Sticking th e Israelis with their supplying food and water.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 01:50 AM
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originally posted by: Grenade

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Grenade

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Grenade

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: felonius
a reply to: maddy21

israel should be the one unassing land.

they stole it and murdered for it.

go russia!




UN resolution 242. read it.


Are you justifying Israels actions based on it defending its security?

Not sure what you are alluding to, technically a child throwing a stone at a tank could be a violation of 242 but shooting the child is a far greater human rights breach. If Israel wants security it should stop stoking the fires by ending the mass genocide of Palestinians.


As far as the surrounding countries claiming their land is being occupied yes, Also Jews also called themselve palestinian at one time as well remember? They technically have rights to th eland. The "other palestinians" are part of trans jordan who will never reclaim them because they could not get along with the jordanian government.

Theres nto a mass genocide going on. thats collatorral damage. and youre falling for the propaganda.


Putting people behind a wall and denying them basic human rights, water, food, medical supplies etc based on their ethnicity then continuing to bombard them indiscriminately causing predominantly civilian casualties is the very definition of genocide. You're right in some ways, the Jews and Arabs in Israel / Palestine should live under equality as one country and one people, however the persecution from my perspective looks one way.

Describing the deaths of innocent civilians, the majority of whom are women and children as collateral damage is disgusting!

How many UN medical centers, official hospitals and medics have Israel targeted during their campaigns?


The "palestinians" in th ewest bank are not of th earea called palestine. they are from JORDAN. And JORDAN has REFUSED to take them AND the land back from Israel. IF anything JORDAN is the one in VIOLATION. Egypt and Israel made up with each other and were given back control of Gaza,but did it bring peace? nope. Syria also refuses to acknowledge israel a sa nation and as such is also in breach of international agreements to the UN that wa sset up during cease fire negotiations.


Why quote me if you aren't going to address a single thing i said?

I really couldn't care less about the politics behind the massacre or who you want to blame. The fact remains that the people in Gaza and the West Bank are treated as sub-human by the Israeli government and it must stop.


The people in GAZA and WEST BANK are refugees that their own countries despise and will not repatriate so its them treating them as sub human. Sticking th e Israelis with their supplying food and water.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 01:54 AM
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originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: yuppa



British Parliament thoughts.


Biased. woman is clearly getting paid to shill.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 01:56 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa

Cant steal what never was. It wa s never a official country or had a government. Its only thanks to WESTERN ROMANS that this whole mis naming happenned to spite the hebrew people.


After all Jesus himself wasn't king of Israel, more like king of the Jews ...



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 02:07 AM
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a reply to: DJW001



I'm talking about your "Tribe of Judah" nonsense. Religious beliefs are notnhistory.

What are you talking about? Being "Jewish" simply means "being a member of the Tribe of Judah". Jewish people don't have to follow any religion at all. Many Jews are atheists, most of the founders of atheist communism were Jewish, and even the Jesuits were founded by members of the Tribe of Judah who converted to Catholicism.


That you actually got correct.

Everything I said about history was correct. So please don't call my history "pseudo history" when everything I said was fact. Unless you're going to point out what was supposedly wrong.


Where did you get "millions" from? There are some Jewish cults that don't support Zionism... some Jews would argue that they are not "really" Jews. Incidentally, did you know that in the 1960s the head of the American Nazi Party was Jewish?

Contrary to popular belief, the majority of non-Israeli Jews are not Zionists. In fact, the vast majority of Jewish immigrants in the early & mid 1900s rejected the new ideology Zionism and its calls to migrate to Palestine. Instead, they migrated to the US & other places.
The true crisis of Zionism: silent majority of US Jews have never supported it
Also, how can the Haredi/Orthodox Jews not be Jewish? They've been against Zionism since its foundation. And there are roughly 1.5 million of them globally, including in Israel.


Yes, they are. It's shameful.

Good. So we're in agreement that many Israeli Jews are actually the anti-Semites because they discriminate against other Jews. So why are you labeling people anti-Semites for opposing Israeli policies when Israeli policies are discriminating against other Jews & Semites (like the Palestinians & Bedouins)?

Here's just one of a multitude of articles about the Ethiopian Jews protesting against racism in Israel.

And here's an article about Israel sterilizing Ethiopian Jewish women without their consent.



Anyone who hates anyone else is certainly an embarrassment to their religion.

Ok, we're in agreement again. I don't get it. Why say anyone opposing Zionism is anti-Semitic then agree that many Zionists are anti-Semitic against other Semites? Does this mean you're conceding this argument?


Because Anti-Semitism is the polite word for Jew-hating. From now on I will try to be less tactful.

More like the word was been co-opted. Religiously, a Semite is a descendant of Noah's son Sem/Shem. Many ethnic groups in the Middle East & North Africa are Semites. And linguistically, a Semite is a speaker of a Semitic language. Not only is Arabic the most widely spoken Semitic language, but Ethiopia's official language Amharic is also a more widely spoken Semitic language than Hebrew. In fact, East Africa has more than a dozen Semitic languages (Sudan & South Sudan have Semitic languages too). So why only associate "Semite" with Jews when they aren't even the largest group of Semites, ethnically or linguistically?


If you really knew anything about Jewish history, you would know how quickly things can change. In just a few years, Jews went from being happy and comfortable in Central Europe to being herded into cattle cars and sent to death camps.

So you think that's going to happen to Jews in Hollywood, New York City, Chicago, and everywhere else?


As I said, if you know anything about Jewish history, you know it is imperative for the Jewish people to have a place of refuge. If you cannot acknowledge this than you are just an... Jew-hater.

How is it a "place of refuge" when it's among opponents? It would make more sense to have a "place of refuge" among friends. Also, you called me a Jew-hater?! LOLOLOL Wow! your words contradict yourself immensely! You agreed with most of my conclusions then call me that? I'm speaking up for Ethiopian Jews, Sephardi Jews and Maghrebi Jews, and that makes me a "Jew hater"? And I'm speaking up for the majority of actual Semites because Israel's right wing treats them like crap. But apparently speaking up for actual Semites makes me anti-Semitic too, right?

Also, I don't look up to or look down on the Tribe of Judah. I see them as regular people, just like all other people. But I'm firmly against Israel's hardcore right wing, Israel's aggressive settlers, and Zionism as a whole (I'm against most right wing movements & politicians, regardless of the country).
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posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 08:55 AM
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Religiously, a Semite is a descendant of Noah's son Sem/Shem.


It is impossible to have a rational conversation with someone who can make a statement like this. The Bible and Qu'ran are fiction. Israel and Palestine have a right to coexist. If the Arabs put half as much effort into building their own state as they have put into destroying Israel, they would have no need to proclaim a "Day of Rage." Seriously, is that how a mature people behave?



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: yuppa



British Parliament thoughts.


Biased. woman is clearly getting paid to shill.


Which shows you didn't even watch the debate as every member who stands up to speak absolutely supports the Palestinian cause and condemns Israel for its actions. You just seen the colour of skin and a woman on the first frame and decided what was being said.


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posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 09:34 AM
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posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 10:01 AM
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originally posted by: Grenade

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: yuppa



British Parliament thoughts.


Biased. woman is clearly getting paid to shill.


Which shows you didn't even watch the debate as every member who stands up to speak absolutely supports the Palestinian cause and condemns Israel for its actions. You just seen the colour of skin and a woman on the first frame and decided what was being said.


Two seperate sentences. SPEAKERS are all BIASED is what I should had specified. SHE is On e of MANY SHILLS. is that clearer now?



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
The Bear has finally come out of hibernation and decided the world's affairs are their affairs.

Some will be pissed about that.

Interesting. S&F


geez...good thing America isn't doing that....NOT!!



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 10:06 AM
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Actually i think he makes perfect sense, you on the other hand make very good points then take a total U-turn in your conclusions.


He makes no sense at all because he uses words like "zionism" and "anti-semitism": to mean several different things at once. Just because an American or European Jew does not move to Israel does not mean they do not believe Israel has the right to exist. In this sense, they are Zionists even if they do not move there.


How Israel is a refuge for the Jews is beyond me, more Jews die in Israel than in any other country on Earth and after a 1200 year exodus storming back into the ME with a war mongering mentality against all your neighbors probably isn't going to help create a safe haven, especially not when you all but destroy the indigenous population.


It is a symbolic refuge. If Muslims get control of a European parliament and start passing anti-Jewish laws, Jews can leave that country and move to Israel where the law will protect them.


Any country which uses ancient texts as guidance for its governance is going to be barbaric. Time to make this about humanity rather than which god you worship.


I agree. Israel is one of the few secular countries in the region.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Grenade

Oh excuse me. Citizen V would not let a LIE that the PLO ,KGB,and Surrounding arab nations came up with this plan to destroy a people who were rightfully placed there by the international comunity at a time when it was not as corrupt as today. The league of nations were SAINTS compared to th eUN's devils these days. V would had supported Israeli counter attacks against outside aggressors as defending their right to life.(up till after 67 mind you) The average joe in Israel is just like most people just wanting to live.

Now V would take issue with the governance of both sides though. I dislike th e PLA and th e ISraeli leadership. Both sides should step down and just leave. Lost a friend to this petty crap they both play and i dont give a rats butt for either of them. The problem comes from the Arabs INABILITY to just bend one one issue and this would all be over.

Recognizing Israel a s a nation and formally swear to not attack them anymore. Thats is what this is about. If thye did this you would see a turn around in the middle east. THAT would truly be revoltionary.


My god, you just confirmed everything i thought. The racist thieving bullies in power within Israel are the problem, a country created out of nothing who are responsible for the slow genocide of an entire nation who totally ignore international law and its the Arabs in the open air prison who are to blame. Kicked out of their homes, treated as second class citizens and then rounded up and walled off while Jews flock from all over the world to build homes on their land that their fathers before them worked for, generations of people uprooted based on a decision made by European countries with no consultation of the bordering governments.

I think the Arab countries have every right to question the legitimacy of Israel, every country in the world outwith Israel questions its methods and motives as they are barbaric bullies. Not to mention their illegally obtained nuclear weapons which pose a real threat to the security of the entire planet.

The disproportionate Zionist influence on western media and culture has blinded some however most conscientious objectors see through this illusion.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke

originally posted by: yuppa

Cant steal what never was. It wa s never a official country or had a government. Its only thanks to WESTERN ROMANS that this whole mis naming happenned to spite the hebrew people.


After all Jesus himself wasn't king of Israel, more like king of the Jews ...


You do realize that Hebrews and jews are actually the same right? Jesus was born HEBREW. And yes he was the king of the Jews. ALso the Hebrew/jewish homeland in anchient times was JUDEA and ISRAEL. Its in history just search for it.

Anyway what does your answer have to do with the ROMANS renaming an d interfearing in th e middle east? Jesus coudnt stop the romans and it was not his job to do so. SO long as you are a people home is where you are and can move if need be.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 10:10 AM
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originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Grenade

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Grenade
a reply to: yuppa



British Parliament thoughts.


Biased. woman is clearly getting paid to shill.


Which shows you didn't even watch the debate as every member who stands up to speak absolutely supports the Palestinian cause and condemns Israel for its actions. You just seen the colour of skin and a woman on the first frame and decided what was being said.


Two seperate sentences. SPEAKERS are all BIASED is what I should had specified. SHE is On e of MANY SHILLS. is that clearer now?


Wait a minute so you are suggesting the entire British parliament are shills for the Palestinian cause? You realise we sell Israel arms and support your illegal regime economically?

Simply because our politicians don't make the decisions without approval from their corporate overlords who generally support Israel, probably because oligarchs are generally sociopaths.

EDIT: It makes economic sense for my government to support Israel due to the influences controlling our foreign policy. On a humanitarian level my parliament is in total agreement that Israel is a terrorist state.
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posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: Grenade

I think this rant explains why you think enlightenedservant makes sense. His hatred is just a tad more refined than yours. Israel exists, deal with it. The Arabs need to work with Israel, not against it, or there will never be peace in the region.



posted on Oct, 14 2015 @ 10:13 AM
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You do realize that Hebrews and jews are actually the same right? Jesus was born HEBREW. And yes he was the king of the Jews. ALso the Hebrew/jewish homeland in anchient times was JUDEA and ISRAEL. Its in history just search for it.


You have just opened the door for a lengthy exposition that will conclude with the Jews in Israel not really being Jewish. Some people hate Jews so much they try to rob them of their very identity.




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