Why is Jesus a Conservative?

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
a reply to: Spiramirabilis

I started a thread about the cursed fig tree...
It got closed by the mods.

How so?

Jesus claimed to be a man who had religious authority.

But also said that men who claimed to have religious authority shouldn't be trusted.

Just another one of the silly issues in The Bible that Christians, and especially American Christians, like to ignore when they claim to use the Bible for their moral code.

Pick and Choose Far Right American Christians have to be some of the worst Christians anywhere in the world.

originally posted by: babybunnies
Jesus claimed to be a man who had religious authority.

But also said that men who claimed to have religious authority shouldn't be trusted.

Just another one of the silly issues in The Bible that Christians, and especially American Christians, like to ignore when they claim to use the Bible for their moral code.

Pick and Choose Far Right American Christians have to be some of the worst Christians anywhere in the world.

Never claimed a thing himself; just a bringer of divine inspiration to share (as instructed to do) to those that may hear the message (the kingdom of God is not of this earth). Jesus had no interest in creating yet another dogmatic religion. That was all Paul's doing (the Catholic church). What is your discomfort with American Christians? I thought all Christians were a universal faction; within the umbrella idea of a "CHRIST CONCSIOUSNESS" that holds no physical boundaries?

a reply to: Antidisestablishment

It's one of my favorite stories ever

:-)

This is off topic - I know - but did they give you a reason?

I see that you're newish here - I'm sure it was because of something involving rules

Maybe you could find a way to do it again?

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Light, electricity, there is aught else. Except to return to the Ovoid from whence I sprang ere too recently.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Christ returned as Paramhansa Yogananda, apparently a new incarnation for the beginning new age of Dvapara Yuga as Christ incarnated in Kali Yuga at it's greatest depths.

originally posted by: cryptic0void
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Light, electricity, there is aught else. Except to return to the Ovoid from whence I sprang ere too recently.

You are forgetting magnetism.

originally posted by: cryptic0void
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Christ returned as Paramhansa Yogananda, apparently a new incarnation for the beginning new age of Dvapara Yuga as Christ incarnated in Kali Yuga at it's greatest depths.

I have "Whispers From Eternity"; I suppose I must re-read it? What causes you to think this is Jesus re-incarnated? If so is this in the hope to align eastern and western thought? Should a concurrent reincarnation be this one: David Koresh (thought was himself Jesus) or a Moroni type was actually Vishnu? I follow the logic; just see other missed opportunities of invention.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

It is the claim of Ananda, they have a good library of youtube videos and Kriyanda, who created the group communicates this I think. I realize many crazy people and cults make these type of claims, I find Paramhansa Yogananda unusual enough to consider the possibility but I am unable to evaluate the claim, currently...

a reply to: vethumanbeing

True. That is covered under the anode and cathode plane returning to void condition the paired positive and negatively charged electric spin vortices emanating from light crystal. Be interesting to see what spin Hawkins and black hole radiation could put on Russelian physics.

originally posted by: cryptic0void
a reply to: vethumanbeing

It is the claim of Ananda, they have a good library of youtube videos and Kriyanda, who created the group communicates this I think. I realize many crazy people and cults make these type of claims, I find Paramhansa Yogananda unusual enough to consider the possibility but I am unable to evaluate the claim, currently...

I am a great fan of Paramhansa Yogananda. I just never thought he might be the reincarnated Jesus (and why not). You may be as well Surprise, a product of what is called a bifurcated incident of a soul splitting. Its possible and happens.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: neo96
Charity is a Christian value unlike it's counter part of entitlement.

One is done by FREE will, and done by oneself instead of using bold face authoritarianism, and outsource the betterment of their fellow man to the STATE.

Back to conservative bashing.

Where Jesus would just turn the other cheek.

Luke 12:22-34 (New International Version)

22 Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear.

23 For life is more than food, and the body more than clothes.

24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds!

25 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life[a]?

26 Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?

27 “Consider how the wild flowers grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these.

28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you—you of little faith!

29 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it.

30 For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them.

31 But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.

32 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.

33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.

34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Sounds like he was ordering them to sell their possessions & give to the poor, not asking them to volunteer it as you said.

Yet he clearly ordered them to directly sell their possessions and give them to the poor. Not to give their possessions to the government and have them give the proceeds to the poor.

Huh? He didn't clarify who to sell them to. Either way, you agree that his followers are clearly ordered to sell their possessions & give that money to the poor, right?

The post I was responding too claimed charity was up to a person's free will, which clearly it isn't. It was a clear order. That's the point we were arguing. So you're agreeing with me that he ordered them to do it and didn't say it was up to their free will to do it, right?

No, nothing Christ says is an order. And actually that scripture isn't really telling them to sell everything and give the proceeds to the poor. It is explaining that selling everything and giving to the poor will yield blessings that are eternal over the blessings of worldly things, which are temporary. Christ (multiple times) promises the riches of the world and of heaven

I was confused at first what story you were referring to (my lack of further reading in your link) and thought you were talking about the parable later in Luke where he tells the man to sell his things and follow Christ. The virtues in both of these scriptures aren't selling the things you have. They are using resources to help others and putting Christ before the things of the world. There is no incompatibility of wealth and following Christ. Though it does make it somewhat more difficult for many.

Jesus was a Buddhist. The similarities are too numerous to be ignored, and are mentioned on dozens of webpages. Buddhism had been around for some 500 years before Jesus existed. Christianity is rather Buddhism with an ego.

"Buddha was born from a virgin mother, Queen Maya. Buddha was born of royalty and his birth was foretold by angels. Buddha’s birth was a divine birth as he was born from a god. Wise men bearing gifts attended the birth of Buddha and angels sang at his birth. The birth of Christ has all of these events in common with Buddha’s birth. Mary was a virgin when she conceived Jesus. Jesus was of the lineage of King David so he was also born of royal blood. Jesus was born the son of God. Wise men brought baby Jesus gifts and angels sang at his birth. The stories of the births are almost identical. It is very plausible that the Christian writers borrowed or stole the story of Christ’s birth from the story of Buddha’s birth that pre dates Christ by over five hundred years. This is not the only event in the lives of Christ and Buddha that are identical.

Little is told of Buddha and Christ’s childhood, but what little is told is remarkably similar. Both Buddha and Jesus were child prodigies and very precocious. Both Christ and Buddha tame wild animals. They both visited a temple and astound the teachers with their knowledge. The tale of Jesus Christ has many missing years and does not continue until Jesus is thirty and starts his ministry. The tale of Buddha is more detailed as Buddha gets married and his life as a young man is told. Remarkably, Buddha starts his ministry at the age of thirty also. Jesus starts out fasting in the desert for exactly 40 days and nights, while in the dessert he is tempted by the devil. Buddha also starts his ministry in the same way. He fasts for exactly 40 days and nights in the wilderness and is tempted by an evil spirit. Once the ordeal of fasting is over both Jesus and Buddha gather 12 apostles and makes them change their names. Buddha and Christ both perform miracles and cure diseases. They both offer their followers eternal salvation. Both speak mostly in parables.

The leading up to death and the deaths of Buddha and Christ share some of the same details. Buddha and Christ both foretell of their deaths three times and both travel to a city for their last meals. Jesus goes to Jerusalem and Buddha goes to Kusinagari. During their meals both refuse a drink twice. When sentenced to death, Christ is to be crucified on a cross. Buddha is to be impaled on a cross. Both are forced to carry their cross to the place of their execution. Jesus is crucified between two criminals and Buddha is impaled between two trees. Christ and Buddha make the same promise to their last converts that “today you will be in paradise”. A disciple of Buddha named Kas ya pas encounters an unknown person from whom he learns of the death of Buddha. A disciple of Christ named Kle o pas finds out about the death of Christ through an unknown person. The similarities in the legends of the life of Buddha and Christ are remarkable."

whatreallyhappened.com...


Its absurd to believe that Jesus would be a conservative and support big business, guns, and war, but that's what the right wing believes. Christ didn't ride into town on an elephant.


The Chinese created Christianity to examine and explore their own beliefs. The ying and yang live together in harmony, so a defective version of their own beliefs was put into place. The difference is that the peaceful tree of ying and yang was changed to the poisonous one of good and evil. By putting the core beliefs at the extremes it is insured that western society will eventually destroy itself.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
Ok, then. Why are you a Capitalist?

Because I feel the private citizen can do a much better job than the government in almost every circumstance.

What Capitalist values do you support?

That of the indivual to make/create their own means instead of relying on an inefficient and inept government.

Why is Capitalism a good thing?

turn off foxnews and try to figure out what freemasons actually support! enlightenment ideals!

Because Socialism and Communism are much worse.

a reply to: Vincent22
This same scenario; virgin birth as just one of many similar circumstances applies to at least 9 other beings. Horus, Osiris, Gilgamesh...its a good script and playbook inserted into different time frames/civilizations. For some reason (someone) thinks it works. Shakespeare was more creative and had 7 scenarios, wrote his plays based upon 7 knowns regarding human nature;; for instance the obsessive Mother love complex. What I am saying is there is one script that was chosen for the ancient world and it is exactly the SAME ONE just played by different actors.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Or maybe the same actor playing different characters?

originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Or maybe the same actor playing different characters?

That is an interesting thought. Who would be a brave enough 'actor' to take on these similar life scenarios that are the exact same script; just different endings to the story (as to suit the civilization inserted) to presumably 'uplift' them.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: Vincent22
This same scenario; virgin birth as just one of many similar circumstances applies to at least 9 other beings. Horus, Osiris, Gilgamesh...its a good script and playbook inserted into different time frames/civilizations. For some reason (someone) thinks it works. Shakespeare was more creative and had 7 scenarios, wrote his plays based upon 7 knowns regarding human nature;; for instance the obsessive Mother love complex. What I am saying is there is one script that was chosen for the ancient world and it is exactly the SAME ONE just played by different actors.

Just to nitpick, but Horus wasn't born of a virgin birth. In the stories, Osiris's dead body was dismembered & each body part was scattered in different locations. Isis recovered the body parts & reassembled Osiris's body (except the penis, which was eaten by something). Then she used her magic to animate Osiris & give him a magical penis, which she mated with. Horus is the offspring of this event. So if anything, he's the child of a "necro birth", but not a virgin birth.

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: neo96
Charity is a Christian value unlike it's counter part of entitlement.

One is done by FREE will, and done by oneself instead of using bold face authoritarianism, and outsource the betterment of their fellow man to the STATE.

Back to conservative bashing.

Where Jesus would just turn the other cheek.

Luke 12:22-34 (New International Version)

22 Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear.

23 For life is more than food, and the body more than clothes.

24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds!

25 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life[a]?

26 Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?

27 “Consider how the wild flowers grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these.

28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you—you of little faith!

29 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it.

30 For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them.

31 But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.

32 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.

33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.

34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Sounds like he was ordering them to sell their possessions & give to the poor, not asking them to volunteer it as you said.

Yet he clearly ordered them to directly sell their possessions and give them to the poor. Not to give their possessions to the government and have them give the proceeds to the poor.

Huh? He didn't clarify who to sell them to. Either way, you agree that his followers are clearly ordered to sell their possessions & give that money to the poor, right?

The post I was responding too claimed charity was up to a person's free will, which clearly it isn't. It was a clear order. That's the point we were arguing. So you're agreeing with me that he ordered them to do it and didn't say it was up to their free will to do it, right?

No, nothing Christ says is an order. And actually that scripture isn't really telling them to sell everything and give the proceeds to the poor. It is explaining that selling everything and giving to the poor will yield blessings that are eternal over the blessings of worldly things, which are temporary. Christ (multiple times) promises the riches of the world and of heaven

I was confused at first what story you were referring to (my lack of further reading in your link) and thought you were talking about the parable later in Luke where he tells the man to sell his things and follow Christ. The virtues in both of these scriptures aren't selling the things you have. They are using resources to help others and putting Christ before the things of the world. There is no incompatibility of wealth and following Christ. Though it does make it somewhat more difficult for many.

Just to be clear, you know I was talking about Luke 12:33 when the Prophet Jesus said "33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.", right? And you're saying I shouldn't take him literally, even though his words before that are telling his people to be more like the animals, which have no possessions & don't worry about their possessions or where their food will come from?

I even linked all of Luke 12:22-34 to make sure everything was in context, which made his point that much clearer.

a reply to: enlightenedservant
All is Good describing your nit-picking here. There are at least 7 other identical stories for you to discect (clarify). Charles 1952 has them locked in his time machine.