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Why is Jesus a Conservative?

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posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:34 PM
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Hey you Bible Bashers!
Do you have an answer to me question.
I have been reading the New Testament, and I really can't find any evidence that the beloved Jesus you so admire would have ever voted for Bush or Donald Trump. In fact, I don't even belive he was homophobic.
In fact, I don't think he was misogynistic or a gay hater.
Can you prove me wrong by posting scriptures that support capitalism and slavery which actually came from Jesus's mouth?
I think the early disciples showed more left wing leanings tbh.



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posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:37 PM
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originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
Hey you Bible Bashers!
Do you have an answer to me question.
I have been reading the New Testament, and I really can't find any evidence that the beloved Jesus you so admire would have ever voted for Bush or Donald Trump. In fact, I don't even belive he was homophobic.
In fact, I don't think he was misogynistic or a gay hater.
Can you prove me wrong by posting scriptures that support capitalism and slavery which actually came from Jesus's mouth?
I think the early disciples showed more left wing leanings tbh.


Err. Why does Capitalism equate to Conservatism? I am a Capitalist but pretty damn far from being Conservative.

Stop trying to pigeon hole and categorize people, you are just as bad as the people you are attempting to vilify.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yes, but you are also a Freemason.
Your point exactly?!


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posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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Jesus didn't have any of the values that Conservatives claim to cherish.

It's a bit of a puzzle to me that Republicans claim to be the party of Jesus, and that most religious people vote Republican.

Most Republican values can't be found ANYWHERE in The Bible.

Jesus would be completely horrified to find out what Christians in America are saying in His name.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
Yes, but you are also a Freemason.
Your point exactly?!


Being a Mason does not equate to being either Conservative or Capitalist and I was a Capitalist long before I became a Mason.

You are doing that categorizing thing I told you about earlier. Maybe try addressing my points next time.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Ok, then. Why are you a Capitalist? What Capitalist values do you support? Why is Capitalism a good thing?



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
Ok, then. Why are you a Capitalist?


Because I feel the private citizen can do a much better job than the government in almost every circumstance.


What Capitalist values do you support?


That of the indivual to make/create their own means instead of relying on an inefficient and inept government.


Why is Capitalism a good thing?


Because Socialism and Communism are much worse.



edit on 11-10-2015 by AugustusMasonicus because: Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:49 PM
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answer is here:







the guys in charge of the planet, have, for thousands of generations, known about and manipulated the aspects of human nature discussed in those videos.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:50 PM
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Jesus said to sell all of your possessions and give to the poor, capitalism's exactly antithetical to that philosophy. I mean exactly.
edit on 11-10-2015 by Blissful because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: Antidisestablishment
Please edit your post title. Why is Jesus a Conservative. IS, IS. It should read "why WAS Jesus a Conservative" as in "was" past tense as he is dead. Or so they tell me.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: Blissful

Explain this please.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:54 PM
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This may be the most obtuse OP in the history of ATS...
And that is saying something...

FWIW, I think a magic dude in the sky came down to 7th century Arabia, found a sociopathic warlord and said "hey guy, start banging 7 year olds(after u marry them of course) and, oh by the way, I'm the same God of those people you hate, the Jews"....

-Christosterone



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: Antidisestablishment

This is a simple answer.

You cannot describe Jesus as "conservative" for his time.

www.merriam-webster.com...



believing in the value of established and traditional practices in politics and society : relating to or supporting political conservatism

Conservative : of or relating to the conservative party in countries like the United Kingdom and Canada

: not liking or accepting changes or new ideas


Now given that. In today's world, our established traditions and practices in the US have been largely influenced by Christianity.

A much, much higher majority of conservatives believe in and respect Jesus Christ than those who consider themselves Progressives.

In Jesus's time, he was the driver of change of the what the corrupted establishment's traditional practices were. In our time, the corrupted establishment is the driver of change against his word and what was our traditional practices honoring him.


So the term "conservative" really is about keeping our established traditions and practices. Who is considered conservative is based on your outlook on traditional values vs modifying those values.
edit on 11-10-2015 by infolurker because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: Antidisestablishment

My post had been in allusion to the comment pertaining to homosexuality. After reading it a second time I'd realized I was in error, posting something which the questions hadn't asked, so I edited my post making it more relevant to the questions which had actually been asked.

In reference to Matthew 22 "They will be like the angels in heaven." Angels can't be gay.
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posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: Antidisestablishment

I strongly believe Jesus came to fix all that big misunderstanding in those days he walked on Earth. Important people didn't listen to him, he found many followers between the poor and rejected people. He left us with a : "Now you know. Do whatever you want but don't say I didn't warn you".



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: Blissful

Angels can't be gay.


Why? Is there some sort of angel rulebook you happen to be aware of?



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 02:02 PM
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Jesus has nothing to do with politics whatsoever. In fact, Jesus said to not let the world mold you. So I don't think he'd be okay with the left or the right because it supports the laws of Man versus the laws of God.

Anywhoooo--Jesus said to love one another.

Why are you trying to lump all Christians and conservatives in with hateful extremists? That's really unfair. Also, as AugustusMasonicus said, capitalism isn't a conservative value. Neither is Christianity.

Also, judging by where you say you live, I don't see why you think you understand U.S. politics or the people who make up each party. I think you need to do some more research and critical thinking before you attempt comparative politics.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 02:05 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus
Of course angels are gay, they're always happy aren't they. Eccept when they're sad.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: Blissful
Adam and Eve. Not Adam and Steve.


Wow. That was clever. Did you get that out of some religious nutter fortune cookie?




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