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Disinformation Killed 9/11 “Truth”
By 2009, the 9/11 “Truth” Movement was so inundated with disinformation that it had become a laughingstock. The easily-discredited claims (lies) contaminated the greater issue and soiled dissenters across the board. “Turd blossom” was a Karl Rove phrase that could describe what the movement had devolved into. The media, whether corporate or foundation-funded, could find people ranting about “the Jews” or the Illuminati, the Lizard People, the missiles, holograms, mini-nukes or space beam weapons vaporizing the Twin Towers.
Many trolls, and some public personalities, appeared to be professional disinformation artists hard at work concocting and posting this crap online, which others repeated to their own detriment. One cannot easily prove that a specific person is a paid shill, a disinformation agent, a cyber agent provocateur, but be assured they are out there, and “out there.”
DISINFORMATION TO DISCREDIT
Author Thomas Pynchon wrote, “If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don’t have to worry about answers.” I’ll go one better and in the process explain modern cyber disinformation: If they can get you asking stupid questions, then their lapdog media can dismiss you as a “nut.”
originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: MotherMayEye
Evidence please, for all to see, otherwise, you have no case. Now, where is your evidence?
Look at the research?
To let you know that I have debunked many truther
debunk the false claims of "Pilots for 911 Truth"
I've noticed that you continue to stall on presenting those demo time lines that I have requested.
I've noticed that you failed to answer the question as to what struck the Pentagon on 9/11.
I haven't stalled on anything,...
... I and LapTop have already debunked your time line. and gave you a challenge about it.
That is false and your references have been debunked because the physical evidence have proved you both wrong.
originally posted by: LaBTop
These are the challenges to you, skyeagle409, from other members regarding your above post at page 71, ( I suppose you made a typo ) :
skyeagle409 : I want to post the evidence that demo explosives were used and for a very specific reason.
I can't wait, seems you are a bit frustrated.. I wonder why, hum....
a reply to: skyeagle409
I want you to do so as well. Btw., did you ask RJ LeeGroup, Inc. for clarification regarding their dust-analysis or will you accept their work by now?
My Blanchard-linked big post at this same thread's page 2 :
The few best ATS-Searches results and a few more that are NOT picked up by the ATS Search.... :
REFERENCE POSTS about " Brent Blanchard " (about 41 to 46 results),
LaBTop, Jan, 30 2013 : I did some off-line investigation in August 2006 at PROTEC, and lo and behold, what a pity sir, but by some strange accident, all these handhold seismograms have been absent from our repository for a long time already.
REFERENCE POSTS about " Blanchard " (about 289 results),
REFERENCE POSTS about " Brent " (about 638 results),
REFERENCE POSTS about " BrentBlanchard " (about 47 results),
REFERENCE POSTS about " PROTEC " (about 64 results),
REFERENCE POSTS about " Protec " (about 65 results),
Proof of the Gash on WTC-7 ? page 5, LaBTop, May, 21 2007 :
AHA, found my post back for R. Mackey from Randi.org's JREF forum (now ISF) :
AHA, also the next post by bsbray11, about the Cardington steel tests :
REFERENCE POSTS about " Protec 2006 " (about 18 results),
You'd expect my argumentation with Brent Blanchard to be in there somewhere :
--- www.abovetopsecret.com... (24 pages)
Or in this one : www.abovetopsecret.com...
A couple of little factoids just to set the record straight :
Blanchard is certainly no expert. He has very little explosives demolition knowledge. He is not an engineer. He just travels around to demolition sites to take pictures. He also sets seismographs up to record vibration. CDI doesn't even allow him to be around their projects. Look at his website. Notice the lack of CDI pictures as compared to other demolition companies? There was a special on ABC that called him and his partner the "Beavis and Butthead of Implosion".
Below, bsbray11's post about column oscillations after impact, and the 14 and 17 seconds discrepancy between plane impacts and radar times of those same impacts :
REFERENCE POSTS about " portable field seismographs " (about 27 results),
REFERENCE POSTS about " www.implosionworld.com " (about 72 results) :
This is the earliest date : Aug, 25 2005, I found up to now, with a post with that link in it :
REFERENCE POSTS about " Blanchard's " (about 43 results),
Title : A look at Mr. Blanchard's .pdf, by bsbray11, Aug, 10 2006 :
www.abovetopsecret.com... ( ?,not picked up)
Read this whole following post, it's pure logic at work :
www.abovetopsecret.com... ( ?,not picked up by ATS Search, while it has the word Blanchard several times in it.! ) :
bsbray11 : Where are these handhold seismic records from Manhattan?
Only the 34 km away at Palisades based LDEO ones were ever released to the public, and they were not analyzed in any detail.
Most of the next seismic events go unexplained (labeled by FEMA simply as "further collapses" with no further analysis), and WTC7's seismic records show, again, that more energy was exerted before the building moved than during the global collapse. WTC7's records were also released later than the rest by LDEO, but I promise you it wasn't because the waves took longer to reach their lab. It was because they couldn't account for what had happened, and of course they never tried to analyze what was going on there.
Conspiracy Theorist Misread 9/11 Seismic Data
Claim: Seismographs at Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, N.Y., 21 miles north of the WTC, recorded the events of 9/11. "The strongest jolts were all registered at the beginning of the collapses, well before falling debris struck the earth," reports the Web site WhatReallyHappened.com.
A columnist on Prisonplanet.com, a Web site run by radio talk show host Alex Jones, claims the seismic spikes (boxed area on Graph 1) are "indisputable proof that massive explosions brought down" the towers. The Web site says its findings are supported by two seismologists at the observatory, Won-Young Kim and Arthur Lerner-Lam. Each "sharp spike of short duration," says Prisonplanet.com, was consistent with a "demolition-style implosion."
Fine Lines: Revisionists say sharp spikes (graph 1, above) mean bombs toppled the WTC. Scientists disprove the claim with the more detailed graph 2 (below). (Seismograph readings by Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University: Won-Young Kim, senior research scientist; Arthur Lerner-Lam, associate director; Mary Tobin, senior science writer)
FACT: "There is no scientific basis for the conclusion that explosions brought down the towers," Lerner-Lam tells PM. "That representation of our work is categorically incorrect and not in context."
The report issued by Lamont-Doherty includes various graphs showing the seismic readings produced by the planes crashing into the two towers as well as the later collapse of both buildings. WhatReallyHappened.com chooses to display only one graph (Graph 1), which shows the readings over a 30-minute time span.
Seismic Data Chart 1
Seismic Data Chart 2
On that graph, the 8- and 10-second collapses appear—misleadingly—as a pair of sudden spikes. Lamont-Doherty's 40-second plot of the same data (Graph 2) gives a much more detailed picture: The seismic waves—blue for the South Tower, red for the North Tower—start small and then escalate as the buildings rumble to the ground.
Translation: no bombs.
That sound is not the result of explosives, that is the sound of structural failure.