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I think that proves there was no plane, if it hit five poles and the genset there would be wreckage all over the place, and as we see from the first photos there was nothing to be seen..
And your photo of where the wing hit, were is the wing?
...did it evaporate after hitting the building, if it hit it should be there, again nothing to be seen..
Danielle (O'Brien) Howell: Air Traffic Controller
Mr. Meyssan's book "9/11: The big Lie" states that on September 11, 2001 I and my fellow air traffic controllers at Dulles airport had "no possible doubt" that the plane we saw approaching Washington, DC, which subsequently crashed into the Pentagon, "could not be a commercial airliner, but only a military aircraft" because of its speed and maneuverability.
In the manner Mr. Meyssen took my statements from context and arranged them to support his theory, his conclusions are a blatant disregard for the truth.
Upon initial impression, I considered the target, later confirmed to have been American Airlines flight 77, to possibly have been a military aircraft. In an interview with ABC's 20/20, I stated, "The speed, the maneuverability, the way that he turned, we all thought in the radar room, all of us experienced air traffic controllers, that that was a military plane. You don't fly a 757 in that manner. It's unsafe." Since that tragic day, I've realised that it was never the intent of the hijacker to safely land American flight 77 anywhere. The usual preparations for a safe landing without our National Airspace System were not a consideration.
Further, my colleagues at Reagan National Air Traffic Control Tower observed, from the windows of the Tower, and American Airlines Boeing 757 disappear below the skyline just prior to the smoke beginning at the Pentagon. Where is this B757 now? There was no situation when a standard airliner would traverse the skies around Washington, D.C. without strict approval by FAA Air Traffic Control.
Where are the crew and passengers from American 77? They have never been accounted for by Mr. Meyssen.
Another valid point against the argument by Meyssen is the path the aircraft flew. Meyssen suggests it was a military missile used to impact the Pentagon. Why would a missile make a 360 degree manuever like this to reduce its altitude. A missile would be on course, at its appropriate altitude, when it approached the target.
The suggestion of the use of a military plane or missile, knowing all available facts, is simply beyond consideration.
If Mr. Meyssen had been interested in the full truth, many sources were available. There would have been no better witnesses than the aviation-trained, eye witnesses of Air Traffic Control. In that he never requested interviews of any of us who were there, his interest obviously lies not in revealing any truth, but in his personal financial gain.
Danielle (O'Brien) Howell
So you do not have the math to debunk LapTop?
You make the claim that LapTop is wrong, and the fact is, you have failed to prove him wrong.
You took the height of a B-757 when it stands on its wheels, so from the ground up, being 44 ft 6 in = 13.56 m. (6 in = 0.5 ft). (44 x 0.3048) + (6 x 0.0254) = 13.4112 + 0.1524 = 13.5636 m (44.5 x 0.3048 = ditto)
That vague outline of a plane was however flying in its clean configuration, no wheels out. It didn't taxi, it was flying.
We can look here.
Speed = 400 knots:
West Turn Radius = 2834
Bank Angle = arctan(400^2/2834*11.26)
Bank Angle = 79 Degrees*
G Force = 5.2 G**
East Turn Radius = 1639
Bank Angle = arctan(400^2/1639*11.26)
Bank Angle = 83 Degrees*
Airframe Registration Record of American 77
Type Reservation Fee Paid
Mode S Code 52072030
Reserved Date 09/15/2006
Renewal Date 08/27/2014
Purge Date 10/15/2015
Pending Number Change None
Date Change Authorized None
Reserving Party Name GREENWAY JONATHAN JAMES
Street PO BOX 714
Zip Code 21705-0714
Country UNITED STATES
Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1
Serial Number 24602 Certificate Issue Date 05/08/1991
Manufacturer Name BOEING Mode S Code (base 8 / oct) 52072030
Model 757-223 Mode S Code (base 16 / hex) A87418
Year Manufacturer 1991 Cancel Date 01/14/2002
Reason for Cancellation Destroyed Export To None
Type Registration Corporation
Aircraft Registration prior to Deregistration
Name WILMINGTON TRUST COMPANY TRUSTEE
Street RODNEY SQ NORTH ATTN CORP TRT ADM
State DELAWARE Zip Code 19890
County NEW CASTLE
Country UNITED STATES
Engine Manufacturer ROLLS-ROYC Classification Standard
Engine Model 54555 Category Transport
A/W Date 05/08/1991
Let me say it again, Say and post all you want, the fact remains there is no wreckage in the first photos taken, end of story....
I am not talking to Labtop, as far as I am concerned the plane did a flyby..
My list of documented wreckage at the Pentagon proves beyond a shadow of the doubt that you are incorrect. Now, explain to us why American Airlines announced the loss of American 77 at the Pentagon.
No it does not, and because thats what they were told..again where is the wreckage in the very first photos, why was the smell of cordite present, why did people say there was no plane, why did the media's first reports say no plane, answer, no plane..
'Extensive Casualties' in Wake of Pentagon Attack
An American Airlines jet carrying 58 passengers crashed into the Pentagon this morning less than an hour after two planes crashed into the World Trade Center, an apparent wave of terrorist attacks that triggered chaos in Washington and New York and dismay across the nation.
The aircraft, Flight 77 from Dulles to Los Angeles, was a Boeing 757 that eyewitnesses said flew low and fast in a direct hit on the west side of the five-sided building.
Apparently, not even LapTop would agree with you. Now, let's take a look at the wing tip from American 77.
Photo 1: American 77 Wreckage
Photo 2: American 77 Wreckage
Photo 3: American 77 Wreckage
Photo 4: American 77 Wreckage
Photo 5: American 77 Wreckage
Photo 6: American 77 Wreckage
Photo 7: American 77 Wreckage
Photo 8: American 77 Wreckage
Photo 9: American 77 Wing Ribs
No one saw American 77 fly over the Pentagon because that story was fabricated and has been used to discredit the Truth Movement.
Did you honestly think that American 77 overflew the Pentagon and landed at Ronald Reagan National Airport under the watchful eyes of radar controllers and ATC tower personnel? Who would pay for the landing fee and ground services? Where would they have parked the aircraft? And, you actually want us to believe that American 77 secretly landed at a busy airport?!
Considering that American Airlines had reported the loss of American 77 at the Pentagon, you should see a problem with your claim by that very fact.
Bone yard debris. Prove it is not bone yard debris?
Or, you can call Rolls Royce, and ask them about the engines that powered the airframe of American 77. because each engine is tracked as well.
originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: wildb
That is very simple to answer. Since Rolls-Royce furnished the engines that powered the airframe of American 77, they also have certain responsibility for those engines as well.
originally posted by: skyeagle409
a reply to: Informer1958
That won't work because my math is backed by documented physical evidence and the B-757 technical manual. Verdict: You have no case.