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Steven Seagall Believes a Lot of Mass Shootings, and Other Gun Problems are Engineered.

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posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 09:14 AM
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Which shootings were engineered and which were not?

Is it possible to tell?

That's important, because if you can't tell then it's paranoid, unfalsifiable BS. Even if it is true, there is obviously a major problem of mass slayings that even the most ardent and delusional of gun fans can't deny.

It all boils down to whether you want to live in a modern, civilised country, or else carry on playing Cowboys and Injuns with live ammo.

Over to you, America.




posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: CJCrawley
Which shootings were engineered and which were not?

Is it possible to tell?

That's important, because if you can't tell then it's paranoid, unfalsifiable BS. Even if it is true, there is obviously a major problem of mass slayings that even the most ardent and delusional of gun fans can't deny.

It all boils down to whether you want to live in a modern, civilised country, or else carry on playing Cowboys and Injuns with live ammo.

Over to you, America.


A modern civilized society that...

1. Lies to go to war for resources and control of countries
2. Kills 500,000 Iraqi children BEFORE 9/11 only to have it's Secretary of State say it was "worth it"
3. Drone strikes (assassinates) US citizens in a foreign country, thereby bypassing due process
4. Tried to lie about the Syrian gas attacks to go to war with Syria
5. evidence shows the supporting and training of Al Qaeda and ISIS/ISIL
6. Has wealthy financiers (Soros) backing agent provocateurs to cause revolution and civil discourse (Ukraine)
7. Western agents working to hijack the Arab Spring revolutions
8. Under cover LEOs in the USA working as agent provocateurs to undermine protests and rallies for change
9. Has a history of assassinating foreign leadership and installing puppet governments

Yeah, civilized my arse. You have a VERY warped sense of civilization and the idea of "civilized." Stay over there in England (assuming) with your puppet American government. Your country is already on lock down, you've accepted your indoctrination.

Oh and don't get me started on the British that pull the same things the USA does - British SAS dressed as Muslims planting bombs to blow up civilians? TOTALLY CIVILIZED

Get out of here with your Schillinator nonsense. When the time comes and you are screaming to be saved, we might just have to whisper... No.

And to answer your question about engineered events, of course it's not possible for most to know. But our "civilized" government made it legal to propagandize it's own people nearly 3 years ago - Jan 2013.

To NOT question these stories would be ludicrous given the fact they made it legal to propagandize their own citizens. But no, we only question news stories on April Fool's day.
edit on 11-10-2015 by WCmutant because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: neo96

Well, according to the way of thinking of the anti-gunners, who lean to the left, they would think that gun control is right wing extremist ideology because in their minds people like Hitler were extreme right wingers.

But in reality people like Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, the castro brothers, Stalin, etc. They all implemented some sort of gun control over the population. They were/are all extreme left wingers. Gun control, among other policies, are more commonly implemented by left wing extremists.

In this day and age gun grabbers are trying to scare Americans into giving up the Second Amendment right.


Erm, Hitler and Benny the Moose were fascists. You know, Nazis? Not left wingers. They both imprisoned and killed communists and socialists.


Oh please. They totally used the socialist mindset to get power. They even called themselves National Socialists. Now whether or not they were is not even worth arguing about. I don't care. But if you look at the propaganda, a lot of it sounds exactly like socialism.


I wasn't aware that rampant insane right-wing nationalism was a form of socialism? Oh wait, it's not. And what 'socialist mindset'??? Please stop throwing words around that you obviously have no idea what they mean!



From Wikipedia -
The National Socialist German Workers' Party, abbreviated NSDAP), commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party, was a political party in Germany active between 1920 and 1945 that practised Nazism. Its predecessor, the German Workers' Party (DAP), existed from 1919 to 1920.

The party emerged from the German nationalist, racist and populist Freikorps paramilitary culture, which fought against the communist uprisings in post-World War I Germany. The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism. Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, although such aspects were later downplayed in order to gain the support of industrial entities, and in the 1930s the party's focus shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes.


So clearly if you can read and comprehend this, they were aware of the fact that the majority of their audience had a socialist mindset and they adapted their propaganda accordingly. Which is blatantly obvious from the fact that they actually called themselves "The National Socialist German Workers' Party".

Now. What does this show? It shows that people who have a socialist mindset will go along with just about anything if they believe it will get them to their goals. Which is one of the most troubling features of most political parties. No matter what they say, it will generally always come down to the ends justifying the means. It also shows that the people who supported them at the start continued to support them even when they started showing their true colors. In my opinion, that cuts right to the heart of the problem with socialism (and many other ideologies). Mindless collectivism.

Socialism basically caused WW2 (as well as all kinds of mass murder in the last century). Socialists are and were people who are so driven by their Utopian dreams that they will stoop to just about anything. They have done it many times. They have pulled every dirty trick in the book and then some. There is nothing innocent about socialism.
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posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 10:44 AM
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How did this guy turn into a big pile of blubberblah? Needs to hit the cardio.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: pl3bscheese
How did this guy turn into a big pile of blubberblah? Needs to hit the cardio.


He's an old man. He's in his 60s. There's a reason people retire around that age.

I don't even care what he looks like and his lifestyle is none of my business. I simply question his motives.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: BrianFlanders

Cause they get obese? Hey a little cushion isn't so bad as you age, gives you reserves in case of major illness, but I don't think obesity and old age go hand in hand outside of gluttons.

I don't much care, but just sayin... guy got obese.

As for his remarks, meh... I think that age can go further to explain his irrational thoughts than his waistline.
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posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: WCmutant

500,000 Children I want that "fact" elaborated on.
Otherwise ,YEP.
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posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

A lot of Steven Seagulls fight scenes where orchestrated.

I guess it takes an actor to know an actor.


(post by nomdeterreur removed for a manners violation)

posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: CJCrawley
Which shootings were engineered and which were not?

Is it possible to tell?

That's important, because if you can't tell then it's paranoid, unfalsifiable BS. Even if it is true, there is obviously a major problem of mass slayings that even the most ardent and delusional of gun fans can't deny.


Well, responses like this one certainly go a long ways towards explaining why anyone who's anyone (and wants to stay that way) doesn't comment if they have similar thoughts to his.

At any rate, I think he just said what he said to get attention and make a brainless statement about "mental illness". "Mental illness" could be anything. Which form of "mental illness" causes mass shootings? And if so, why isn't it consistent? If there is a form of mental illness that' causes a mass shooting in every case, name it? I'm pretty sure no one can do it. Why? Because the entire idea is scientifically false. If people want science, there it is. And you don't even have to be a scientist to understand it. The media coverage and the discussion related to these shootings is literally riddled with unprovable, unfalsifiable theories.

So how about this. If it isn't consistent, it's BS. Science and proof is based almost entirely on consistency. If every single gun owner (or even the majority of them) aren't murdering people, gun ownership does not cause murder. If "mental illness" doesn't cause a mass shooting in every case, mental illness doesn't cause mass shootings. Is that simple enough?

And Americans are not playing "cowboys and injuns". The vast majority of American guns are probably rarely fired at all. And the vast majority of them that are are always fired at bottles, cans and paper.

Liberals are the ones always blathering about science and numbers and statistics but they don't want to talk about them in this case. Why? Because the numbers simply don't support their case. Their entire argument is based on emotion and fear and manipulation.
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posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: WCmutant

500,000 Children I want that "fact" elaborated on.
Otherwise ,YEP.


Here you go, circa 1996:


Here's a 1995 NY Times article.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Steven Seagall ain't no hollywood sissy boy like Van Dam.
He's the real thing even more than Bruce Lee. A total bad ass.
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i mostly agree. he is the real deal. bruce lee was not.

but, ole steven is a giant punk bitch.
mr legit tough guy that likes to beat on the ladies he is with.

he was dating kelly lebrock for a bit when they filmed hard to kill. he tuned her up a couple time.

dude has like 7 kids with 4 different ladies. cheated on several of them. multiple sexual harassment 'allegations'...

dude is a total knob

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posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 04:22 PM
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If everyone would do a little searching it would seem that it isn't hard to believe that these things are being engineered. Everyone please do a search on "project Monarch". That should sum up what is happening. You can form your own conclusion on that one.

And, to the gun thing which I am in support of firearms is this: Everyone keeps referencing Australia and Uk for their gun control. Why doesn't anyone reference Switzerland? Every male in the country is required to own a firearm. Lots of guns, low crime etc. Yes, our forefathers wrote the 2nd amendment for our protection against a tyrannical government. Our government is on the verge of being out of control of the people and everyone needs to read between the lines and see the truth.

We all now can see that there is truth to the one world government being proposed. Remember this one thing, history repeats over and over.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 10:13 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Has anyone else noticed the pro-2nd Amendment people getting more and more militant? Several years ago advocates for gun rights would claim personal protection from "bad guys" (robbers and rapists) as their main argument.

Today? Today protection from a tyrannical government is their main argument.



They seem about the same to me, minus a bit of partisanship because a Democrat is in the White House. The arguments themselves haven't really changed.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Wrong, the Second Amendment right has always been about protection, including from a tyrannical government. The founding fathers explained it clearly. Only gun grabbers either don't know, or want to ignore and dismiss this fact. This is nothing new.


Nuclear weapons are the ultimate protection against a tyrannical government. In your opinion is the ban on citizens owning nuclear weapons a violation of the Second Amendment or do you accept that at some point there is a limit on the arms you are permitted to have?



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 10:47 PM
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a reply to: WCmutant

How did they die?
Desert Storm didn't kill THAT many kids I WAS in it and we didn't go NEAR towns and the bombing campaign was that lethal either,so I think that is incorrect.articles.philly.com...
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posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 01:05 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

He's obviously off his flouride inoculations.

MKULTRA is just a conspiracy theory.

Project ARTICHOKE is a conspiracy theory.

MKSEARCH is just a conspiracy theory.



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 01:17 AM
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originally posted by: WCmutant

originally posted by: CJCrawley
Which shootings were engineered and which were not?

Is it possible to tell?

That's important, because if you can't tell then it's paranoid, unfalsifiable BS. Even if it is true, there is obviously a major problem of mass slayings that even the most ardent and delusional of gun fans can't deny.

It all boils down to whether you want to live in a modern, civilised country, or else carry on playing Cowboys and Injuns with live ammo.

Over to you, America.


A modern civilized society that...

1. Lies to go to war for resources and control of countries
They lied to keep russia and china from getting the oil there and to prevent them from exporting their natural gas through syria. We are in direct competition with them.
2. Kills 500,000 Iraqi children BEFORE 9/11 only to have it's Secretary of State say it was "worth it"
or sacrificed to lucifer...
3. Drone strikes (assassinates) US citizens in a foreign country, thereby bypassing due process
again sacrificed to the deluminist's god lucifer
4. Tried to lie about the Syrian gas attacks to go to war with Syria
They try the same tricks over and over again
5. evidence shows the supporting and training of Al Qaeda and ISIS/ISIL
CIA loves co-oping terrorist groups for geopolitical gain
6. Has wealthy financiers (Soros) backing agent provocateurs to cause revolution and civil discourse (Ukraine)
Through tides foundation and his many other front organizations
7. Western agents working to hijack the Arab Spring revolutions
yep
8. Under cover LEOs in the USA working as agent provocateurs to undermine protests and rallies for change
They think they are doing the right thing. But they are helping the fascist system instead.
9. Has a history of assassinating foreign leadership and installing puppet governments
alCIAda
Yeah, civilized my arse. You have a VERY warped sense of civilization and the idea of "civilized." Stay over there in England (assuming) with your puppet American government. Your country is already on lock down, you've accepted your indoctrination.

Oh and don't get me started on the British that pull the same things the USA does - British SAS dressed as Muslims planting bombs to blow up civilians? TOTALLY CIVILIZED

Get out of here with your Schillinator nonsense. When the time comes and you are screaming to be saved, we might just have to whisper... No.

And to answer your question about engineered events, of course it's not possible for most to know. But our "civilized" government made it legal to propagandize it's own people nearly 3 years ago - Jan 2013.

To NOT question these stories would be ludicrous given the fact they made it legal to propagandize their own citizens. But no, we only question news stories on April Fool's day.

edit on 12-10-2015 by John_Rodger_Cornman because: removed content



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 01:37 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12
BS....Nobody is going to take our guns! If they were they would start with the firearm manufacturing, ammo, shooting sports, hunting and shooting accessories businesses. Shut down a multi billion dollar industry...get real!! In fact firearm manufacturing is on the rise, to the tune of 8 million guns a year
www.youtube.com...


The US government HAS been trying to shut down firearm manufacturing, ammo, shooting sports, hunting and shooting accessories businesses.

They have been using a program called Operation Choke Point.
townhall.com...
www.dollarvigilante.com...
en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Oct, 12 2015 @ 06:37 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Grand, so you can single out a couple policies. That's ignorant at best and false frame propaganda at worst. Why ignore all of their right-wing policies?

- Authoritarian? Yep.
- Hierarchichal and anti-equality? Yep.
- Fiercely nationalist? Oh yeah..
- Cultural rather than individualist? Yep.
- Free markets and privatisation? For Germans, yep. Companies bid for contracts
- Anti-communist? Yep.
- Anti trade union?? Yep
- Government ties to religion? Yep. At least in public
- Anti-abortion? For their own people. A capital offense in some cases.
- Anti-homosexuality? You'd better believe it


It seems like a desperate attempt to blame all of the world's evil on your perceived enemy.




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