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Steven Seagall Believes a Lot of Mass Shootings, and Other Gun Problems are Engineered.

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posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 03:37 AM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

You are a bit late about that. The leftwing government has already labeled Republicans, conservatives and anyone who is pro second amendment as "possible extremists" long before GOP candidates began talking about a possible second civil war.

I am certainly not looking for one, and don't condone violence. However, when you push a certain sector of Americans and label them all extremists for simply not bowing to the left wing agenda, it is telling you that this government is already doing everything in their power to destroy conservatives and pro-second amendment Americans in general.

If you were to read the information provided in this same thread, which I have given in the past few years in other threads similar to this one, it is clear the Obama administration is a radicalized left wing dictatorship.

If the Obama administration, alongside the Mexican government has been willing to arm Mexican drug cartels, which has gotten many Mexicans killed, and even at least one American border patrol agent murdered to blame American's right to own and bear arms for the armed Mexican cartels, what are they not willing to do?

If this administration has been willing to label Americans as extremists simply for not being left wing, and simply based on having conservative ideas, or not agreeing with Obama's policies, or for demanding this government to close the borders which is allowing REAL radicalized extremists who want to murder innocent Americans, or for simply being pro-second amendment. What are they not willing to do?

I am not calling for violence against anyone, but like it or not when you push people too far they are bound to push back.

Yes, eventually violence is what the left wingers, and progressives in general in power want. Including progressive RINOs (Republicans In Name Only)

For what reason do you think the Obama administration is not only opening the borders like never before, but has given strict orders to allow even criminal minors into the U.S.?

They obviously want a catalyst that will incite massive violence in the U.S. Whether it happens by slowly banning thought and ideals that are not in line with the left wing/ progressive agenda, and eventually even jailing Americans for being right wing, even without being truly extremists, it is what they want.

Whether the violence starts with true foreign extremists disguising as immigrants and causing major attacks in the U.S., or whether it starts by pushing Americans in the right too far, or by inciting violence between different Americans, including a race war. It is part of the plan of those in power.

They are cornering Americans, and they are marginalizing Americans with conservative values for a reason, and it is not because they want "world peace".

You know, I keep hearing/reading from time to time some Americans, and people from outside the U.S. claim that "the communist agenda was never a threat"... Yet in what position are we in now? Obama has put in positions of power even people who in the 60s even made plans to murder millions of Americans simply for being capitalists, or for being against socialism/communism.

Americans keep forgetting these facts.



Those plans are still on the works, and well ahead of schedule. Georgia guide stones anyone?


THE MESSAGE OF THE GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
2. Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
4. Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
9. Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
10.Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature.

www.radioliberty.com...

Sounds good right?... Except for the rest of the 8.5 billion people who will be culled by the elites.

This won't happen simply in the U.S., there are similar plans for Europe.

Listen, you can't see it because you haven't lived this and in your mind is sounds impossible. But look at current events.

Earlier today I watched how communist leaders from Cuba will be sent into U.S. Universities to speak to Americans. What do you think this was planned for?

The people in power now were the same ones who wanted to implement international socialism in the U.S., and to destroy capitalism in general.

The Obama administration is clearly helping for this goal to be achieved. Puting into Czar positions socialists and even communists. Labeling what once used to be a free political view, conservatives, and pro-second amendment Americans, among others as a form of extremism.

The game has been afoot since the 1950s.



edit on 10-10-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.




posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 04:10 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
But in reality people like Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, the castro brothers, Stalin, etc. They all implemented some sort of gun control over the population. They were/are all extreme left wingers.


WHAT? You need a serious history lesson. Both Hitler and Mussolini were extremely right-wing. Benito started out somewhat socialist but long before he ever took power he became an extreme right organiser and started the right wing Fascist party. He continued this when he achieved power.

Hitler had some socialist policies but on the whole was extremely right wing, and as a matter of fact, when he recovered after the war, the Reichswehr specifically tasked him with infiltrating the NSDAP to investigate it for socialist-marxist policies, implied by the name. The SS exterminated communists with hatred. This is the reason they were recruited by America for the Cold War.



It's an absolute lie to say that gun control is a left wing happenstance. Both right and left extremes promote it, to protect their own power.



posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 04:17 AM
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a reply to: Ridhya

He clearly isn't a leftist if he asked people to raise their right arm. Undeniable proof.



posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 05:55 AM
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a reply to: Ridhya

LOL... Hitler, and Musolinni were both socialists. A different type of socialists.


We are socialists, we are enemies of todays capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions

– Adolf Hitler, Hitler’s speech on May 1, 1927. Cited in: Toland, John (1992). Adolf Hitler. Anchor Books. pp. 224–225. ISBN 0385037244.
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itsnobody.wordpress.com...

if you were to bother to read the policies implemented by Hitler for example, you would find left wing ideology everywhere you turned.


The Nazis were also socially liberal on many issues as well.

So what are my reasons for labeling the Nazis are being a far-left wing liberal movement?

Nationalization of corporations and industries

“13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts)”
– The 25-point Program of the NSDAP

So which party supports nationalization of corporations and industries? Is that more left-wing or right-wing?
Profit-sharing

“14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries”
– The 25-point Program of the NSDAP

Profit-sharing is definitely a left-wing liberal idea.
Expansion of pension

“15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare”
– The 25-point Program of the NSDAP
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itsnobody.wordpress.com...

Hitler's youth was another example of leftwing youth movements. For the good of the nation, children would tell the reich anything their parents did which in their minds was wrong. Including speaking against the Reich.

The claim that Hitler and Mussolini were right wing is a lie.

Perhaps you should read the policies Mussolini implemented.


Just as progressives were generally enthusiastic about socialist movements in the Soviet Union and Europe, they were also overwhelmingly supportive of the fascist movements in Italy and Germany during the 1920s and 1930s. “In many respects,” writes journalist Jonah Goldberg, “the founding fathers of modern liberalism, the men and women who laid the intellectual groundwork of the New Deal and the welfare state, thought that fascism sounded like ... a worthwhile 'experiment'”:

H. G. Wells, one of the most influential progressives of the 20th century, said in 1932 that progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.” Regarding totalitarianism, he stated: “I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic.” Calling for a “‘Phoenix Rebirth’ of Liberalism” under the umbrella of “Liberal Fascism,” Wells said: “I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.”
The poet Wallace Stevens pronounced himself “pro-Mussolini personally.”
The eminent historian Charles Beard wrote of Mussolini’s efforts: “Beyond question, an amazing experiment is being made [in Italy], an experiment in reconciling individualism and socialism.”
Muckraking journalists almost universally admired Mussolini. Lincoln Steffens, for one, said that Italian fascism made Western democracy, by comparison, look like a system run by “petty persons with petty purposes.” Mussolini, Steffens proclaimed reverently, had been “formed” by God “out of the rib of Italy.”
McClure’s Magazine founder Samuel McClure, an important figure in the muckraking movement, described Italian fascism as “a great step forward and the first new ideal in government since the founding of the American Republic.”
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www.discoverthenetworks.org...

Or read this book.


Summary of contents

In the book, Goldberg argues that both modern liberalism and fascism descended from progressivism, and that before World War II, "fascism was widely viewed as a progressive social movement with many liberal and left-wing adherents in Europe and the United States".[2] Goldberg writes that there was more to fascism than bigotry and genocide, and argues that those characteristics were not so much a feature of Italian fascism, but rather of German Nazism, which was allegedly forced upon the Italian fascists "after the Nazis had invaded northern Italy and created a puppet government in Salò."[3]
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en.wikipedia.org...

edit on Sat Oct 10 2015 by DontTreadOnMe because: trimmed overly long quote IMPORTANT: Using Content From Other Websites on ATS



posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 06:55 AM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Has anyone else noticed the pro-2nd Amendment people getting more and more militant? Several years ago advocates for gun rights would claim personal protection from "bad guys" (robbers and rapists) as their main argument.

Today? Today protection from a tyrannical government is their main argument.



You weren't paying attention then apparently. Never has the generation before me let me FORGET that the REAL reason all along was always protection of ones self against any threats "foreign or domestic". Threats included a tyranny taking over the government. They were clearly about this from the first phrase in the Declaration of Independence.



posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 06:59 AM
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originally posted by: ~Lucidity
a reply to: Shamrock6

Here's a thing I don't get. As a result of my other thread on the NRA and the Second, I saw many people say that gun ownership in that day was a given...a necessity...a no biggie. Then I did more reading that I wanted to of both the Federalist and Antifederalist papers.

And I kind of drew two things from this. The main concerns and writings in the papers seemed to be more an issue of state militias v a standing federal army than anything to do with owning a "thing." And as the addendum to that, if gun ownership was such a given and such an everyday part of life taken for granted, like a plough or a horse or a sword or whatever other things and tools necessary to survival, why would they have been all tht concerned with it?

I'm not being a jerk. It all just got me to really thinking.

ETA: I probably should have posted this in the other thread.


You don't think they meant only protect yourself from a neighbor do you? I think localized threats as well as national threats were always the reason.



posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 08:16 AM
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Oh well there you go, if Steven Seagal says so then it MUST be true!!!!

Why? Because guns.




posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 08:40 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: neo96

Well, according to the way of thinking of the anti-gunners, who lean to the left, they would think that gun control is right wing extremist ideology because in their minds people like Hitler were extreme right wingers.

But in reality people like Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, the castro brothers, Stalin, etc. They all implemented some sort of gun control over the population. They were/are all extreme left wingers. Gun control, among other policies, are more commonly implemented by left wing extremists.

In this day and age gun grabbers are trying to scare Americans into giving up the Second Amendment right.


Erm, Hitler and Benny the Moose were fascists. You know, Nazis? Not left wingers. They both imprisoned and killed communists and socialists.



posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: Argyll
a reply to: ElectricUniverse




As for why I agree with Mr. Seagal? Because the Obama administration already tried a false flag trying to blame American's right to own and bear arms for Mexican drug cartels getting their hands on weapons which we later found out through an investigation were in fact provided by the ATF with the consent of the Obama administration.


This is game changing!....you have a source for this don't you?.......verifiable?


Have you been in a cave? "Fast and Furious" or "ATF gives firearms to Mexican Cartels"



posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 08:47 AM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: neo96

Well, according to the way of thinking of the anti-gunners, who lean to the left, they would think that gun control is right wing extremist ideology because in their minds people like Hitler were extreme right wingers.

But in reality people like Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, the castro brothers, Stalin, etc. They all implemented some sort of gun control over the population. They were/are all extreme left wingers. Gun control, among other policies, are more commonly implemented by left wing extremists.

In this day and age gun grabbers are trying to scare Americans into giving up the Second Amendment right.


Erm, Hitler and Benny the Moose were fascists. You know, Nazis? Not left wingers. They both imprisoned and killed communists and socialists.


Well, only those who were not in their inner circle were spared the cruel reality of Dictators whim. Stalin and Mao are my examples for you to consider.
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posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 03:45 PM
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What he has to say there is very muddled. First he says the shootings are being engineered and then he starts talking about "mental health" (which, by the way is exactly what this agenda is all about).

You look back in the old Soviet days and you will see the Soviet government used the mental health excuse to lock up political dissidents (because they generally didn't do anything that was illegal other than be critical of the government. It was the only plausible excuse they had, apparently).



posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 03:48 PM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: neo96

Well, according to the way of thinking of the anti-gunners, who lean to the left, they would think that gun control is right wing extremist ideology because in their minds people like Hitler were extreme right wingers.

But in reality people like Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, the castro brothers, Stalin, etc. They all implemented some sort of gun control over the population. They were/are all extreme left wingers. Gun control, among other policies, are more commonly implemented by left wing extremists.

In this day and age gun grabbers are trying to scare Americans into giving up the Second Amendment right.


Erm, Hitler and Benny the Moose were fascists. You know, Nazis? Not left wingers. They both imprisoned and killed communists and socialists.


Oh please. They totally used the socialist mindset to get power. They even called themselves National Socialists. Now whether or not they were is not even worth arguing about. I don't care. But if you look at the propaganda, a lot of it sounds exactly like socialism.



posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 04:58 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Has anyone else noticed the pro-2nd Amendment people getting more and more militant? Several years ago advocates for gun rights would claim personal protection from "bad guys" (robbers and rapists) as their main argument.

Today? Today protection from a tyrannical government is their main argument.


Probably because of what those in office now are trying to take from people, the laws they themselves ignore or twist and because...well...our government IS tyrannical.



posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

Erm, Hitler and Benny the Moose were fascists. You know, Nazis? Not left wingers. They both imprisoned and killed communists and socialists.


Fascists who were national socialists... Stalin was also a nationalist even when at times he claimed the opposite to gain the support of international communists until he got power. Stalin implemented the idea of "socialism in one country", an idea similar to Hitler's and Mussolini's. An idea that was against Lenin's own idea of internationa socialism.

As for imprisoning, and or killing other socialist and communists and this somehow negating the fact that they were socialists. What about Stalin imprisoning and murdering other socialists and communists as well?...

Heck, Stalin ordered the death of Trotsky.


Leon Trotsky
Stalin Seeks My Death
...
The following article, now published for the first time, was written by Trotsky two weeks after the May 24, 1940 attempt to assassinate him. As the article relates, Stalins GPU was able to bring powerful pressure on the Mexican police to steer Its investigation away from the GPU murder band which had attempted to kill Trotsky. Shortly after this article was written, however, the investigation was brought back on the right track. Our press at the time published all the details of how the police arrested David Serrano, David Alfaro Siquieiros and a score of other Stalinists; how some of them confessed their complicIty, and the guilt of the Stalinist murder machine was established.

For reasons best known to themselves, the Mexican authorities have not yet completed their case against the GPTJ band. According to Mexican law, the investigating judge is required to complete his investigation and hand down a verdict within a year’s time. Although Slqueiros admitted his participation in the attack upon Trotskys house, he and the GPU found judges who released him on the ground that he was not seeking to murder Trotsky! The others are still in prison. Similar delay is occurring in the case ofFrank Jacson,” the GPU assassin who succeeded In striking the death-blow on August 20, 1940.

Trotsky’s article gives us his own description of the May 24th attempt on his life and of the events of the next two weeks. Another article by Trotsky on the attempt was “The Comintern and the GPU” published in the November, 1940 Issue of FOURTH INTERNATIONAL.
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www.marxists.org...

Communists and socialists normally unite to bring down capitalist nations, but then turn on each other in power struggles.

The same happened in Cuba, castro had even arrested and ordered the execution of socialists who disagreed with him when they realized castro was allowing more and more communists into the revolutionary group.

Just because socialists have turned against other socialists and communists, or because communists have turned against other communists, and socialists. It doesn't mean those who attacked other socialists and/or communists were not left wing.

Anyway this is going way off topic.

The topic is the constant attempts by the Obama administration and by progressives in general, including progressive RINOs, to ban, or heavily restrict firearms when this goes against the Second Amendment; and how convenient it is that it seems that more deranged shootings of innocent people are happening under an administration that wants to do anything to impose heavy restrictions and even ban firearms.




edit on 10-10-2015 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 08:00 PM
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The goverment wants your guns so that when martial law is introduced , they can cart you all off to the nearest concentration camp with little resistance.

Social cleansing has begun . It has started with the homeless being removed . Who will they come for next ?

Never give up your guns while the 2nd amendment is in place .

TIP .
Stock up on your ammo . If you want me to elaborate on this , I will not do it in open forum .



posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 09:52 PM
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originally posted by: Jonjonj
I used to like Steven Seagal when he was all -small movements, maximum effectivity and that. Such a shame he seemed to become an idiot.


Personally, I've never been a huge fan of Steven Seagal. I've always respected him as a martial artist. But he made way too many important statements in that interview, beyond the Nazi reference.

1. Parenting, spend time with your kids... teach them right from wrong
2. Economy is so bad, common people are trying to survive and don't have time to spend with their children
3. Mental health issues
4. Precious gift = children, but we spend the money to guard banks and jewelry stores
5. Believes in the 2nd Amendment and Constitution (inherent rights)
6. Movies don't cause violence (neither do video games)

Yeah, he's not an idiot. He gets it. This stuff isn't rocket science. It's all too obvious where we've gone wrong - destruction of the family unit.



posted on Oct, 10 2015 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You need to stop with the Left vs. Right stuff. They are working together. I'm sorry if you don't see it or understand it. But they have been working together for a long time. Each side pushes things closer to the real direction they want the country to go.

Every person in the 1% is a socialist - a corporate socialist. Money keeps flowing out of our pockets and into theirs.

You don't find it odd that both Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. were in office for the Savings & Loans crisis and the 2008 Financial Crisis, both of them oversaw the bailouts to both the S&Ls and to Wall Street. Money... out of our pockets into the 1%.

Obama did the same thing, e.g., the solar energy companies. I haven't dug into Clinton but no doubt he did it too. (Maybe someone knows off the top of their head.)

Seriously, WE the people are being hoodwinked no matter who is in office. Stop seeing what you want to see and see it for what it really is.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 03:38 AM
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a reply to: Argyll

Argyll... where have you been the last 3 years? "Fast and Furious" gun scandal involving ATF walking guns into the criminal market doesn't sound familiar?

You must not get out much



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 04:50 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I generally feel bad for Americans because its this point of view by a minority which control the majority and keep the maintain the status qou.

I'm British im grateful our government don't hold the same view on guns and how enforcement is carried out on them , i do feel for the parents as a parent myself.

It Just seems nothing ever changes another massacre happens and its the same message , best way to fix this is lets have more guns around schools rather than controlling the source of problem.

Is there a better pass the buck saying than "guns dont kill people , people kill people" Lost all respect for seagal when his child is shot and killed then he can comment on his personal experience , till then his just another gun nut spouting off.



posted on Oct, 11 2015 @ 07:21 AM
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originally posted by: BrianFlanders

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: neo96

Well, according to the way of thinking of the anti-gunners, who lean to the left, they would think that gun control is right wing extremist ideology because in their minds people like Hitler were extreme right wingers.

But in reality people like Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, the castro brothers, Stalin, etc. They all implemented some sort of gun control over the population. They were/are all extreme left wingers. Gun control, among other policies, are more commonly implemented by left wing extremists.

In this day and age gun grabbers are trying to scare Americans into giving up the Second Amendment right.


Erm, Hitler and Benny the Moose were fascists. You know, Nazis? Not left wingers. They both imprisoned and killed communists and socialists.


Oh please. They totally used the socialist mindset to get power. They even called themselves National Socialists. Now whether or not they were is not even worth arguing about. I don't care. But if you look at the propaganda, a lot of it sounds exactly like socialism.


I wasn't aware that rampant insane right-wing nationalism was a form of socialism? Oh wait, it's not. And what 'socialist mindset'??? Please stop throwing words around that you obviously have no idea what they mean!




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