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Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
Now unless you believe in reincarnation, and that you lived pre-Jesus, how do you know your sin put Jesus on the cross?
Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
This is what is called an apology, to interpret what is not there in the Bible in order to make it fit a lacking validity of your point of view . Nowhere does God exclude the giants, and nowhere does he offer repentance. Now I can do the same as you if you wish and state; God was sorely annoyed that he did not anticipate his angels copulating with men, and hoped to wipe the slate clean. But he must have so been seeing red, he forgot to check his genealogy chart which would have told him that Noahs bloodline was infected and would produce Goliath and Gog.
More apology and certainly not an erudite explanation either since, as you can see above if the angels took all but the 4, the line of giants continued, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news to you, but Jesus is not mentioned or inferred.Who is he, surely you are not claiming satan caused pharoah to drown babies are you? Just to be sure you read your Bible before you respond and embarrass yourself, I refer you Gen. 10:27.
Now you pick on the book of Esther, the only book in all of The Bible to speak specifically to the political climate and nothing else.
When God in Genesis told Adam and Eve a savior was coming, satan heard it too and had been trying to prevent the birth of the SaviorHe did, did he? Is this yet another Christian interpretation of that which is not offered? I suggest to you then that, satan knew nothing about a saviour, nor did Adam and Eve, and neither God nor anyone else, made such a prediction. Nor was satan privy to the future, or he would know according to you and your rubric, that he cannot win.
My oh my, you do reach. For all you know this was one was of Gods acts whereby he was once more mightily upset with the Jews, and caused them to suffer, yet again. A remnant? A remnant? God tells you that everyone will bow to the Jews, including you!
Originally posted by wang
dbran, i find it acturly amusing that around 6 different people throw questions at you pointing out the holes in your faith and all u can do is reply to one of them, and quote the bible while answering it.
people are trying to make you see that there is more out there than "HIM". So if u can create your own way of living and your own moral codes on what is right and wrong what is there a need for any surpreme omnipotent being? None.
Look into your own heart rather than looking into the sky. There is much more inside us that there is up there.
As I have said before, it is great to be able to create a fable based on past statements of a prophecy. Since you quote Isaiah, and the churchâs hijacking of Isaiah and Davidâs prophecies for a messiah, in order to carve out the believability of Jesus as the saviour, you should make an effort to understand what you read, and to do that you need only look back to chapter 52, where it is God speaking, then note in chapter 53, the Fourth servant Song, the speaker is not God, but another speaking plurally. Further, in your Bible, I am sure you note the present tense which is in keeping with the prophecy of your Christian teachings, however, the correct translation of all of it, from Hebrew is past tense. You are confused, for God speaks for 52 chapters previously of the greatness of his favoured son Israel, and then you read 53 as being a reference to a man, and one can only continue on with chapter 54, to note the change in voice once more, particularly verse 3; âŚand thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles and make the desolate cities to be inherited.â In other words, the song is reflective Israelâs travails, where one can understand this when one looks to verse 13, where God speaks of his âservant,â the same servant as in 49:3 ââŚThou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.â and if by chance you are still confused as to the works of this servant, then read 49:6 âAnd he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.â
Originally posted by dbrandtIsaiah 53:5-6 But He(Jesus) was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way(doing and believing anything we want too) and the Lord hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Ge 1:23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Ge 1:24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
Ge 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Ge 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Ge 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Ge 2:8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Ge 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Ge 2:10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
Ge 2:11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
Ge 2:12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
Ge 2:13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
Ge 2:14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
Ge 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Ge 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat
Ge 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
Ge 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Ge 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
You have not supported your claim on the giants and the verses I quoted save to find it necessary to apologize for The Bible. The statement I provided was very clear, God was supposedly angry about the wickedness of man and the giant offspring of his angels, but found Noah redeeming, and in so saving he and his family, he allowed the giant race to continue. Therefore this begs the question; if he knew it would happen again, he had no reason to kill off everyone the first time did he? Now, I planted a thought in your head, and you went right along trying to defend it, without recognizing the paradox of 6:1:8, when in fact, the verses say nothing about God being angry with the angels or the giants. Is that not so? In fact it specifically said he repented that he had made man, where it has to be accepted that if he knew Noah carried the giant gene, he would be repenting again, and if that is not the case he certainly, according to you, would have known that Canaan was a bad seed, yet he saved him also. So his omnipotence is only not in question, so is his judgement.
Originally posted by dbrandt
Noah was a preacher of righteousness the Bible tells us. He would have been telling the people at that time what he was doing and why he was doing it...
Really! Are you sure you want to hold fast to this belief? If the serpent is satan, then what are the cattle and beast he also holds as being cursed? I suggest to you that the enmity he speaks to is that which he himself places between man and satan and or the literal serpent, because as you can see Jesus was about 3,000 years away, and before him there were many pious and just people, starting with Abram, and particularly with Moses who are just as responsible for spreading Godâs love and laws, and without whom, and by your thinking, every man, woman and child would have succumbed to satan. Believe it or not, subconsciously that is understood by you in this:
Gen. 3:15 talks of the seed of the woman which is Jesus.
I am saying that if men like Phaoroah and Haman and Herod choose to follow satan(knowingly or unknowingly) they become instruments satan uses.
Have you actually read the entire book of Isaiah, or do you just accept as fact bits and pieces chosen by others to make their case for Christianity? That nonsense was invented by church fathers and Paul, to link the death of a man to the OT. And I have spoken to the sacrificial requirements before as being one of those contradictions within the OT, but since you believe this is why he created sacrifices, then it is about time I introduce you to: Isaiah 1:11:12âTo what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? Saith the Lord: I am full of burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread y courts?â
God initiated the sacrificial system that would be a foreshadowing of Christ.
He was an evil man, of that I agree, and alongside him other world leaders, both political and religious, including those well liked by some today, will take their place beside him, but I fail to see how this is relevant to the discussion.
If you look into Hitler you will find out he was into the occult and was an instrument of satan
And so you will not question what is told you of Jesus, but you will attempt to get into the head of one of Godâs higher creations will you? How trite! For to even suggest such a thing to yourself you would be questioning that which you have come to blindly believe, and of course, you dare not test fate out of fear.
Pride is an awful blinding force and it appears that satan still holds out some sort of hope that he can yet beat God.
Well I have better than words written by the pagan and false prophet Paul, for whose words are boss, a pagan manâs or Godâs? âAnd the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name oneâŚAnd it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of Hosts, and to keep the feast of the tabernacles.â And that dbrandt, is also in Your Bible, and those feasts are not those of Paulâs fantasy or his incense loving fantasy he calls God.
and yes God allowed this to happen. My Bible says in Philippians 2:10-11 that, at the name of Jesus every knee will bow and every tongue shall confess that Jesus is Lord.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
i think we're at the end here, i and others have found errors...yet obviously they're still being denied on here. don't think we're coming to any kind of agreement any time soon
Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
You see dbrandt, the Christian church has it all backwards, and you would know this if you took the time to learn about your religion,
But since you wish to turn to Isaiah, I find it only fair that I show you the error of your reporting, and so will quote you other verses, starting with 43: 25: I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.â Lest you are confused that God speaks of himself only, verse 11, which should probably be my signature, since I quote it so often, answers the question:I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.âChapter 7:14:15:Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the goodâŚâ Now if at all that refers to anyone in the NT, it would come close only to John the Baptist, for Jesus enjoyed his meat and fish far too much. Carrying on then, that brings me to 44:6: ââŚI am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.â AND 45:22: âLook unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of earth; for I am God, and there is none else.â As you can clearly see, God is making it very clear that it is he to whom one must look for salvation and glory. I now take you back to 42:8 for yet more testimony on Israel: âI am the Lord: that is my name; and my glory will I not give it to another, neither my praise to graven