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Originally posted by LadyV
I have read and do investigate....but I'm not Christian, do not want to be and never could be.
Originally posted by dbrandt
You say you have no desire to be a christian, you realize that Paul thought the same thing.
Originally posted by LadyV
No...I'm saying they have no business judging others life and their choice.....stay out of other peoples business.
Originally posted by wang
It bothers me because there is no abosolute truth...
And these giants are descendents of whom? Noah? Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men,...In other words, God killed man because of the offspring of the fallen angels only to have Noah and his sons propogate more.
Originally posted by dbrandt
When they got back they said yes the land is flowing with milk and honey like God said but guess what the inhabitants are giants and we look like grasshoppers in their eyes, we cannot take the land.
Originally posted by LadyV
...I don't want anyone pushing "their" truths on me....because it's "your" truth.....doesn't make it "mine"
Originally posted by dbrandt
There has to be right and wrong or Scott peterson should be walking free now. He didn't want his wife any longer, he wanted Amber, so he did what he thought was ok and good to do. Without right and wrong and a God who declares this, anything goes!
Originally posted by LadyV
Yes...so? What are implying dbrandt?
Originally posted by wang
It bothers me because there is no abosolute truth...truth is a concept made by man. There is no truth to nature or the universe. So when a person claims that a god is teaching me the truth it does bother me becuase it shows me that it is no god trying to teach me such things, just a man who is trying to control my actions, with his so called version of truth.
Originally posted by dbrandt
So do you mean in this type of forum, because you have to expect to be confronted in here.
Or are you talking in your personal life face to face with others?
Originally posted by dbrandt
And I'm in my basement and it's getting cold so I will say goodnight and probably talk to you later.
Originally posted by shaunybaby
Original Sin, in Christian theology, the universal sinfulness of the human race, traditionally recognized as the first sin committed by Adam.
[edit on 5-1-2005 by shaunybaby]
Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
And these giants are descendents of whom? Noah? Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men,...In other words, God killed man because of the offspring of the fallen angels only to have Noah and his sons propogate more.
Does this make sense to you?
[edit on 1/4/05 by SomewhereinBetween]
Originally posted by LadyV
I mean here and IRL...I will not be pushed to believe what someone else believes in when I don't. You don't know that what you believe is the truth....you think it is...but that doesn't mean it is! This is not hard here.....you do understand that, right? I believe what I believe...it may not be truth, but I believe it is. It's the same with your beliefs.
One of us is confused, and it is not me. On the following thread www.abovetopsecret.com... you claim: "Those who have accepted Christ will live eternally with God." AND SPECIFICALLY this "It doesn't matter what you'e done as far as sins." AND this "Then He died and rose again that I could live forever, that should humble you more."
Originally posted by dbrandtFrom a christian view sin entered the human race through the disobedience of Adam and Eve. All have been infected and will sin. My forefathers sins could have consequences for me in my here and now life but I need forgiveness for only my personal sins. It was my sin that put Jesus on the Cross.
This is what is called an apology, to interpret what is not there in the Bible in order to make it fit a lacking validity of your point of view . Nowhere does God exclude the giants, and nowhere does he offer repentance. Now I can do the same as you if you wish and state; God was sorely annoyed that he did not anticipate his angels copulating with men, and hoped to wipe the slate clean. But he must have so been seeing red, he forgot to check his genealogy chart which would have told him that Noah�s bloodline was infected and would produce Goliath and Gog.
Originally posted by dbrandt
During the time Noah built the ark he was also proclaiming to the people the coming judgement of God. Excluding the giants, humans could have repented and believed Noah, but they didn't. (I also believe there were no human children left on earth when the flood came)
More apology and certainly not an erudite explanation either since, as you can see above if the angels took all but the 4, the line of giants continued, and I hate to be the bearer of bad news to you, but Jesus is not mentioned or inferred.
Noah and His family had more children because the savior promised by God was to be born. The reason the fallen angels came down and took all the women on the earth except the 4 on the ark was because satan was trying to stop the messiah from coming.
He? Who is he, surely you are not claiming satan caused pharoah to drown babies are you? Just to be sure you read your Bible before you respond and embarrass yourself, I refer you Gen. 10:27.
He tried it again when he had phaoroah drown hebrew babies.
Now you pick on the book of Esther, the only book in all of The Bible to speak specifically to the political climate and nothing else.
to satan tried it again through Haman's attempt to destroy the Jews as told in the Book of Esther.
Oh, how long have I waited for someone to raise this issue. He waited two years for what purpose? The Magi already being in Jerusalem was summoned by good old Herod and told to go find the child in Bethlehem. Satan must be an idiot, for if he controlled Herod, it took him two years to realize that the Magi fooled him considering the distance between the two towns is 5 miles. It supposedly didn�t dawn on Herod that it would not take 2 years to journey 5 miles and ask about all new borns, 2011 years ago. And, I won�t even at this time get into the semantics of how long it took these wise men of the east to travel to Jerusalem and get there before Joseph, Mary and Jesus according to Luke, departed for Jerusalem on the 40th day of his birth. (call this a future discussion, for it surely will be.)
satan tried it agin through Herod and the killing of those 2 years and under after Jesus' birth.
He did, did he? Is this yet another Christian interpretation of that which is not offered? I suggest to you then that, satan knew nothing about a saviour, nor did Adam and Eve, and neither God nor anyone else, made such a prediction. Nor was satan privy to the future, or he would know according to you and your rubric, that he cannot win.
When God in Genesis told Adam and Eve a savior was coming, satan heard it too and had been trying to prevent the birth of the Savior.
My oh my, you do reach. For all you know this was one was of Gods acts whereby he was once more mightily upset with the Jews, and caused them to suffer, yet again.
satan failed to stop Jesus, but through Hitler in WW2 he tried to exterminate the Jews to make God a liar.
A remnant? A remnant? God tells you that everyone will bow to the Jews, including you!
God, in the Bible tells us there will be a remnant of Jews who will be alive when Christ returns to the earth.
Actually, I find you have very little understanding of The Bible.
I don't have all the answers to the "errors" in the Bible but there are explanations for all these so called errors. I don't know what all the conflicts are but I know there are answers to debunk them.
Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
Now unless you believe in reincarnation, and that you lived pre-Jesus, how do you know your sin put Jesus on the cross?