Errors in the Bible

Originally posted by Shar

u have those whose practice with the dark side and calls up spells etc....where do u think they get this from.

Just because someone "calls up spells" doesn't mean they are using dark energy...a spell is energy...it just is...nothing good or bad, positive or negative...it is what the person does with that energy that makes it positive or negative!

the point is no matter how much one trys to disaprove the Bible theres no dening the truth that theres a force (satan) trying to take u with him and a force (God) trying to take u.

Yes there are forces of negative and positive...but that doe not mean there is a Satan.....not every one believes in this you know! You can not "prove" anything with a belief system!

Originally posted by LadyV
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there a part in the bible where, I "think" it might be Moses....talking with god and god tell him he cannot see his face but he will let him see the ends of his robe...implying he is wearing clothing.......

Also, a sorcery is using the supernatural with the assistance of the spirit world......many, I'll even say most Witches don't...I stay clear of conjuring and see it as dangerous, un-necessary and foolish.
EIDT: I found it:

Then Moses said, "Now show me your glory." And the Lord said, "I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

Then the Lord said, "There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen." Exodus 33:18-23

yes and if u back up this is the time God gave the laws to man. God told Moses alot of our history. and afterwards moses had to wear a vail cause of his brightness. Exodus 34: 29-35

[edit on 1/4/2005 by LadyV]

Originally posted by LadyV

Originally posted by Shar

u have those whose practice with the dark side and calls up spells etc....where do u think they get this from.

Just because someone "calls up spells" doesn't mean they are using dark energy...a spell is energy...it just is...nothing good or bad, positive or negative...it is what the person does with that energy that makes it positive or negative!

Yes but the energy dont be fooled came from God. noone can make u believe in what u dont want to believe in.

the point is no matter how much one trys to disaprove the Bible theres no dening the truth that theres a force (satan) trying to take u with him and a force (God) trying to take u.

Yes there are forces of negative and positive...but that doe not mean there is a Satan.....not every one believes in this you know! You can not "prove" anything with a belief system!

satan is enjoying laughing with u.

Originally posted by Shar

satan is enjoying laughing with u.

Bull! You know what your satan is laughing about!? Christians that hate use the bible to hate homosexuals, Christians that judge and condemn other for sinning while they are still sinning themselves....Christians that have it all turned around and don't even know it.....your satan is laughing at you, and your god is shaking his head because if your Jesus came down to earth right now...he wouldn't even recognize his own teachings due to the way it has been so twisted and mis-taught!

Hypostasis of the Arcons,

[ because of his] power and his ignorance [and his arrogance]
he said..., " It is I who am God; there is none [other apart from
me]." When he said this he sinned against [the Entirety]. And
a voice came forth from above the realm of absolute power,
saying, " You are mistaken, Samael," which means " god of the blind"


On the Origin of the World
... he boasted continually, saying to (the angels)... I am God, no other
one exists except me." But When he said these things, he sinned
against all of the immortal ones... when Faithsaw the impiety of the chief ruler,
she was angry.... she said, "You err, Samael (blind god)." An enlightened,
immortal humanity exists before you.


Secret Book of John

in his madness ... he said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me,"
for he is ignorant of ... the place from which he had come.... And when he saw
the creation which surrounds him and the multitudes of angels around him
which had come forth from him, he said to them, " I am a jelous God, and there
is no other God beside me." But by announcing this he indicatedto the angels that
another God does exist; for if there were no other one, of whom would he be
jealous?

The initial observation to be made is this: the popular forms of christianity we now have do not require, indeed do not even permit Jesus to indorse them. Creedialism is a religion that supersedes Jesus, replaces him,or perhaps displaces him with a mythology that depends on nothing he said or did with the possible exception of his death. RW Funk Honest to Jesus .

For those who dont believe in the Bible why do u post from the Bible. If u dont believe in it then dont do anything from it dont quote it dont read it dont even breath. since your life came from the word. u should not pretend to know just to argue about it.

Why shouldn't we? For one thing.....I personally believe in much of the bible....as far as truths and such, but I feel that it has been taken from, added to and ripped apart by man and I believe Christians are following nothing as it was taught in the NT....you don't have to go to church to have god in your heart....you do however, need to follow the rules of the religion, Not pick and chose which you will follow and which you won't...which most Christians do....hate gays, but watch porn and drink.....hate pagans, but cheat on your spouse and lie.....just because one isn't Christian doesn't mean we don't understand and have a type of belief in the books of other religions. There is only one god that is all things, positive, negative, masculine and feminine! "There are many trying to get to the top of the mountain....but people are taking different paths to the top". Your way is not the only way, nor the right way.

Originally posted by LadyV

Why shouldn't we? For one thing.....I personally believe in much of the bible....as far as truths and such, but I feel that it has been taken from, added to and ripped apart by man and I believe Christians are following nothing as it was taught in the NT....you don't have to go to church to have god in your heart....you do however, need to follow the rules of the religion, Not pick and chose which you will follow and which you won't...which most Christians do....hate gays, but watch porn and drink.....hate pagans, but cheat on your spouse and lie.....just because one isn't Christian doesn't mean we don't understand and have a type of belief in the books of other religions. There is only one god that is all things, positive, negative, masculine and feminine! "There are many trying to get to the top of the mountain....but people are taking different paths to the top". Your way is not the only way, nor the right way.

First nowhere in any of my post did i personally say i goto church. I raised myself in my believes. of course i personally hate noone. but i do know christians who say they r and r not and yes the new testament tells u this. u will only know one by their fruits. another i personally cant speak a lie to save myself. i have no skeltons in my closet not even from my husband. honesty sometimes is my worst trait. but yes there r way to tooo many so called christians who judges way way way toooo much. their way only way. except mostly the christians dont forgive the way God tells one too. again u will no a True Christain by his or her fruits. not all who say they r a christian is. All i am saying though u will not get into Heaven except through Jesus. I am not saying u have to goto church or give alms or burn insence or handle snakes or dance. all u have to do is obey ten simple commandments after u come to Jesus.

Originally posted by defrag99Have you determined whether the writers THOUGHT they were telling the full truth--or at least--whether they INTENDED to tell the truth?

In our everyday lives, we incorporate reason in just about everything we say, do and read. A small example of that is ATSNN itself, whereby just because someone makes a claim, we do not nod in agreement, we question the soundness of same. This however is not practiced with the same diligence with The Bible. First and foremost, we are told the verses contained therein are the words of God, passed on to us by his appointed or anointed, where God is accepted as being infallible, for if he were not, then, we run the risk of worshipping something or someone who errs. Such then, is not the manifestation of God. Consequently, we have choices of thought or non-thought; we can read the scriptures and accept them as they are, or we can read them where our supposed God-given intelligence comes into play, and notice contradictions and passages not making sense. Somewhere in there, we must be mindful of the warning of false prophets and Satan.

While we read the four gospels, we may notice the contradictions, I say may, because I believe most do not even notice them, and even then, these gospel inconsistencies may be shrugged off as the reader not wanting to question what has been engrained within them as being �gospel truth.� However, if we dig deeper into the annals of Christianity and the church fathers, starting with the first century, we find what they spoke to is diametrically opposed to much which we have taken for granted. We therefore can no longer conclude that these gospels which we so rely on for spreading the word of God are in fact an accurate accounting or divinely inspired word of God. He is God! There is no inconsistency, no contradiction, no error.

If they intended to tell the truth--THEIR TRUTH--then they framed the story to be "as consistent as possible" internally; but then it got mixed in with other authors and other details, and consistency fell off.

I reference once more the resurrection. The four authors of the Gospel were not witness to this event, yet they confirm at least Magdelena and Mother Mary as having gone to them to recount the events, and they still do not record the event synchronously. If they cannot relay this particular story accurately, how can they possibly be counted on to relate the rest accurately, and why do so many place such blind faith in their words? The answer really is simple, the written word was not disseminated to anyone but the early church fathers, and as historical evidence indicates, each of the warring Christian factions had their own codices, none of which were as we know them today.

I have noticed something in here, which I consider a good thing. Faced with the plethora of contradictions within The Bible, some have taken to inventing their own theories as to what lies behind certain events. This forces them to create a scenario in their minds as to how for example, Cain could find a wife, which means the thought processes are rolling. The more scenarios concocted to apologize for a certain event, the more it has to be understood that The Word as presented is lacking in validity, especially when with each scenario the explanations vary. When the time comes that Christians cannot agree amongst themselves, then they wil be forced to address the inconsistencies within the OT.

Where did the 39 authors of the Bible SAY they got their material? Moses said, "From a burning bush and in the cloud." He got ten commandments, one of which was "Thou shalt not murder."

Yes, this is so, and if we read the various apocrypha, or even look closely at the Biblical text, we find that these are visions or dreams. Now I suggest that with the age of man came intellectual awareness where visions and dreams do not a prophet or contact of God make, hence, the lack of same over 2,500 years.

And then Joshua took over Israel and began killing off people left and right.
Wait a minute. And Joshua told the People that God TOLD HIM to do that.

It is one I would deal with, just as I would deal with the requirement of sacrifice, the idolatry in the temples laden with Gold and precious stones, as compared to the peaceful mission of the �turn the other cheek� son.


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Originally posted by LadyV
Christians that judge and condemn other for sinning while they are still sinning themselves...

I've read this several times on several posts and it really doesn't fly. Remember there are real christians and fake christians(whether they know it or not). A christian is someone who has come to the point where they have been convicted of their sins by God and have chosen to accept the salvation that is offered through Christ. When you went to kindergarten the first day of school, did you know everything you needed to know at the end of that day. Of course not, it took many days over several years and grades to graduate from school. A christian at the moment of salvation has just entered "school". Everyday we are learning and growing and developing. The Bible is the standard God has given us to know right and wrong and it gives encouragement and references for what to do. If I see someone committing adultery who is a christian should he or she be talked tooThe Bible says yes. Get a couple of people and talk to this person and help to restore them on the way back to God. If they listen great, if they don't we are told to pray and turn them over to God. Now if I am committing adultery myself do I have a right to confront them, no I don't.

The Bible does tell us to learn and know and do right and stop sinning. So we are definitely to take what we learn and apply it to life. There will not be a sinless christian this side of death or Christ's return. I've said this before, When you become a christian the intensityand frequency of sin in your life goes down, because your relationship with God is growing and what He wants is becoming more important to you than anything else.

I don't buy that! It a hypocrite that will judge someone while sinning themselves or stand and say "your sin is worse than mine".....I think your own the bible says something about "he who is without sin cast the first stone", and "judge not least ye be judged.". But I don't see that very often. Instead I see a lot accusing and judging.

Thought i would throw my 2 cents in the pile.

Im sick and tired of christian fanatics stating that the bible is the word of god, did god literaly get your bible and write it with his own hand? No. So they say god inspired moses to right the words of god. First off would you believe someone now saying they have written the words of god in a book, and that you should follow them without question? No you would think they were a nut. Whos to say moses wasnt just a nut? Whos to say that moses created his god just for the means of controling his people? Then you can also argue, if some higher being did speak to moses that day, how do you know it was your so called god? It could of been your satan, it could of been the plenty mythlogical gods of the greeks or the norse, it could of been aliens! If i introduced myself as the head of the F.B.I. (which im not) should you just believe me without question? There is a human trait called lieing.....this is what some people forget. Im fine with crhistianty, i hope that people belieiving it in feel good about themselves. BUT dont take a high horse in forums like this, stating that you know the one and only truth. I honestly wish i was as delusional as you fanatics, "thinking" i know the truth....it would make my life much easier. So please dont state your ignorant delusional arguements with no foundation other than a book written thousand of years ago by mere MEN as your whole factual basis to life. The bible is a book created by men, and there are plenty of other books created by men of more recent times that will apply to your life now and be much more truthful than that of the bible. I am not saying that the bible is worthless, but it is not worth alot. I just hope christians realize that there is much more out there than there "oh mighty JC" and that the only way they will find more of the truth is to read other books than the bible! Please i beg of christians on this board dont be close minded, im pleading with you, broading your knowledge and dont just rely on one book written by men.

There is no time, there is no reality....There only is, what is. Good and evil are one, heaven and hell are one. There is no division in the universe. Everything came from one source.

Originally posted by LadyV

.....I personally believe in much of the bible....

This allows you to pick and choose and make custom make your own god exactly the way you want him or her to be. You need to believe it all or you might as well believe none of it. People keep bringing up the errors in the Bible, but I personally learn about these "errors" and "conflicts". Instead of reading it and finding something you don't like and saying yep there's one of those errors, try reading it and then investigate as to what it could mean.

I'm trying to off the top of my head think of a couple examples. One gospel says both thieves crucified with Christ were mocking Him. Another says one was mocking and one sought Christ's forgiveness. There you go an error and conflict. No...Both were mocking Christ along with the crowd..until Jesus lifted His eyes toward heaven and said Father forgive them for they know not what they do. All three were being crucified and mocked by the crowd. What's the natural thing to do when someone yells you, yell back at them. But what did Jesus do, He asked God to forgive them. The one thief saw Christ respond differently and he knew what Jesus' was being crucified for and it finally struck him, this is the Christ. So no conflict or error, one gospel writer picked up where the other left off. Also from this brief few verses we learn that you are either for God or against Him. Two thieves one chose Christ the other rejected Him, if you are not for Him you are against Him, there is no middle ground.

Another ex. When some came to the emptyu tomb one gospel says there were 2 angels another says there was 1 angel. If there were 2 angels in the tomb was there also 1 there. Yes one gospel writer focused on one angel not both of them.

I have read and do investigate....but I'm not Christian, do not want to be and never could be.

Originally posted by LadyV
I don't buy that! .

So is what you are saying is that when someone becomes a christian they are instantly at that moment no longer capable of any sin and do not do any sin of any kind whatsoever for the rest of their life?

Originally posted by dbrandt


So is what you are saying is that when someone becomes a christian they are instantly at that moment no longer capable of any sin and do not do any sin of any kind whatsoever for the rest of their life?

No...I'm saying they have no business judging others life and their choice.....stay out of other peoples business.

Originally posted by wang
BUT dont take a high horse in forums like this, stating that you know the one and only truth.

So what is it about a God that wants a person(any person) to know the truth about Him that bothers you?

It bothers me because there is no abosolute truth...truth is a concept made by man. There is no truth to nature or the universe. So when a person claims that a god is teaching me the truth it does bother me becuase it shows me that it is no god trying to teach me such things, just a man who is trying to control my actions, with his so called version of truth.

Originally posted by dbrandt


So what is it about a God that wants a person(any person) to know the truth about Him that bothers you?

The problem is that....you don't know it's the truth. Just because you believe it doesn't make it true. I honestly deep in my heart believe in what I believe in......I don't want anyone pushing "their" truths on me....because it's "your" truth.....doesn't make it "mine"

Thanks ladyv, i just hope that more people out there would think outside there religous box minds.