reply posted on 3-1-2005 @ 05:43 AM by shaunybaby
well the viewpoint from the non-believer of a neither spiritual nor religious devinity of the bible would be mine. the other viewpoint would be that
of a chrisitian, and most of what im going to say, they would probably disagree.
the four gospels, matthew, mark, luke and john, were written decades after jesus died. argue all you want because that is the truth. those four
gospels that show jesus' life were written by people that lived after jesus died, and that also never met the messiah himself. paul the founder of
christianity wrote luke, and this was the first of the four to be written. the next was 'matthew', this book was written after 'luke' for the
reason that the person, who wrote matthew, didnot believe that the book 'luke' told the 'true' story of jesus in its entirity. in some parts of
matthew, mark and john, which were all different versions of luke, sometimes copy word for word from luke and hold so many contradictions that we
cannot get a clear idea of jesus' life from these four gospels.
the virgin birth was a stolen hindu legend, where krishna, was born to a virgin 'devaka' in the fulfilment of a prophecy, and was also visited by
wise men, who were guided by a star. from that legend we can see many parallels to the nativity/virgin stories of jesus.
(Ps 91:1) You who dwell in the shelter of the Most High, who abide in the shadow of the Almighty, say to the Lord, “My refuge and fortress, my God in
whom I trust.” God will rescue you from the fowler’s snare, from the destroying plague… FOR GOD COMMANDS THE ANGELS TO GUARD YOU IN ALL YOUR WAYS.
With their hands they shall support you, lest you strike your foot against a stone.
This meant that God would command angels to guard the messiah. However, this did not happen to Jesus because was not the messiah. i know people will
say 'but if jesus didnt die for our sins etc etc'. well im not talkin about jesus had to die for our sins. from ps 91:1, it clearly says that the
messiah will be saved, whether or not jesus had to die for our sins...he should have been saved.
after the final books of the old testament were completed, it is easy to see some sort of gap from then, until jesus was born. when the new testament
books were chosen, and put together there was a long process that many could not agree on. nobody living today has ever set eyes on original texts of
the bible. like it or not you have to take the say-so of the church that these bibles we pick up today are in fact 100% how they were written
originaly.
Shocking as it may be to most Christians, Jesus wasn't the founder of Christianity, and to make matters worse, most Christian doctrines such as
claims of divinity, Original Sin, and the Trinity rely not only on Paul but also heavily on John, who was a Greek. Jesus was a Jew and taught Judaism.
The books that reflect those teachings are the Synoptic Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and James.
If Luke was the historical narrative then why are most of the events in John never mentioned but Luke basically agrees with Matthew/Mark? John didn't
exist when Luke was written, and is the real core of the Christian religion. Without John and Book of the Revelation, there would be no Christianity,
just an odd sect of Judaism and a cult founded by Paul. That is all Christianity should have been.
The books Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy were written in four different view points. The four different views preach the fact
that God works in different ways from one to the other. These four ideals were combined together, which are now the five beginning books we read in
the bible.
Alternate gospels have been found. in 1940 in egypt, they came across the 'dead sea scrolls'. they threw orthodox christianity in to a scare, which
is why they were never added to the bible. constantine adopted christianity, and was the first person to employ scholers to copy the hebrew text in to
latin. another edit was still yet to come when king james wanted the bible to be copied in to english. the first people, who attempted to copy the
bible and put it in to english, were hunted down and murdered.
with all these edits, all these changes, all these inconsistancies, it is hard to change from a non-believer in to a believer who has total faith in
their lord. however, if you start out a believer and learn some of this knowledge i have shown here then it is hard to comprehend when you have built
up so much faith in the bible and god. this is why most christians will not accept what i have said. however, all of the above is fact, not
here-say...it is all factual evidence.
[edit on 3-1-2005 by shaunybaby]
