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John Kasich Tells Critics Of Medicaid Expansion To Read The Bible

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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

that's the problem almost half our taxes are spent on totally useless stuff.
then, when the elderly complain that they've already cut way too far into their fixed incomes, just to survive, the price of everything just keeps going up and they end up eating freakin' dog food to survive. and the bastards in dc have now officially robbed their social security funds. these funds were monies people gave to the government on the pretext that it would be returned to them in their old age. what kind of maniac thinks it's okay to do this kinda stuff to people????????????????




posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 11:27 PM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Aazadan

what mmo? i know it's off topic but it's a subject i'm interested in. and honestly, why should we need government taxes spent on why people play video games, when that same money could be used to do things like update our infrastructure, feed the poor, create jobs, and perhaps restore the social security fund that was raided and the government employee pensions that were raided.

i mean, you guys can't be seriously supporting that


I don't want to list where I worked, that goes into slightly more personal information than I'm willing to give out here since it can start to identify me, suffice it to say all 4 of my college degrees relate to gaming in one way or another as does my work experience and even recreation so it's something I'm interested in.

The issue with most MMO studies is that MMO's are very addictive, I actually have rather bitter thoughts towards them these days and think they'll all be hit with criminal legislation one day in the future. The entire purpose of an MMO is to get a person addicted through a content reward loop and then repeat this loop over and over again at a higher difficulty to complete. Once you can determine the ways in which people get addicted to a game you can either avoid doing that sort of conditioning and make things fun in other ways, or you can double down on the crazy and shake your players down for everything they've got.

Those types of studies are relatively cheap and the information gained is useful. It's not an either or, there is room for both if we would increase our tax rate to a sane level. There's less than 5% gains remaining in budget cuts, and most of those are in local offices being wasteful rather than inefficient policy. The US has a revenue problem, not a spending problem, and we have that revenue problem because half the politicians have signed pledges to never raise taxes for any reason.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 11:40 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

they spent 3million tax payer dollars on that, for wow, alone. meanwhile, they're blaming the poverty of inner city people and shaking down, lil old ladies in church pews for the last five dollars she made on her hubby's insurance policy. and you quantify that by claiming it's relevant tax dollar spending and they should be shaking granny down for her five bucks she coulda spent on real food. that kinda stuff is happening all the time now. they're robbing our nation blind and you make excuses for them, because they attached a pretty picture to it of how they are going to help the poor with medical care (is that right after they return the social security money, pension funds and gold of the american people they have already stolen? seriously, you're gonna sit there with a straight face and claim this is good ?)


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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 11:51 PM
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what am i missing? there must be something i'm not seeing clearly that i need to be directed to read/understand?
otherwise, holey rusted metal, batman, the joker's robbed the chicken coop and brainwashed the population into a sort of stupor, where they all just stand there with their jaws hanging open as their livelihood is drained from them and any future generations. it's like some kind of bizarro land.



posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 04:51 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: enlightenedservant

read my post right above yours


What does that post have to do with what I said? "Christian socialism", "Social Justice", and the "Social Gospel" are all real ideologies that implement the Gospels & the Prophet Jesus's teachings into a country's policies. The vast majority of the American right wing rejects those ideologies and rejects implementing his teachings into our laws.

Also, the vast majority of the American right wing has no problems going after other Christians, like most Hispanic people & African Americans. Nothing you said refuted what I said.



posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 06:37 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

It's all a matter of perspective. When you are dead set against Social programs in general with no exceptions, naturally you will look at as stealing, but Medicaid WORKS. If you take the perspective that your tax money is going to help people with Medicaid, then it stops looking like stealing to you and instead feels like you just contributing to the greater good.

I've thought long and hard about my political positions and I've come to the decision that I can't be overly conservative or overly liberal. There are good arguments for both sides and good arguments against both sides (well the ones against the liberal sides that aren't steeped in hatred or misinformation that is). If a system that the government funds actually works reasonably well, why wouldn't you want to expand on that?



posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 07:32 AM
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I've always found it strange that a government and it seems it's the population support spending such a huge amount of tax payers money on things that kill, but don't seem to want to provide a national health service to heal.



posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 07:34 AM
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a reply to: Nexttimemaybe

I know right? It amazes me coming from the UK how selfish people are in the states.
I would and 99% of us Brits would pay more taxes to keep our NHS.
Guess they are only Christians on a sunday eh?.
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posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Omg nothing like a rino progressive pandering to socialism. They are working overtime to get the totalitarian One World Govt done



posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 10:31 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

as a muslim, you are aware of the teachings against taking another person's property. that's what i'm talking about. there are several generations of people born in the usa, who were taught that it doesn't matter what the person's religion is or isn't, forcibly taking the fruits of their labor is theft (akin to slavery). just because large amounts of people have been convinced that its okay to forcibly take people's labor, doesn't mean it actually is okay.
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posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 12:01 PM
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don't get me wrong, i personally don't mind paying taxes to help the poor and elderly. in fact, i'm glad for the opportunity. but they waste so much of our tax dollars on everything but helping the poor and elderly, that i'm rather surprised anyone approves of it in its current form.



posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

It is stealing no two ways about it. No
Punt of sugar coating will change that. Too bad so many have bought into becaus they feel they can not take care of themselves so the govt can and should do it for them and they must justify it but trying to convince everyone else it's all biblical and Jesus would support it.



posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Well too bad, because it's impossible to live in a country that doesn't tax you. So you are going to have to get over the whole taxes = stealing thing. You can't escape it no matter what your personal opinions on it are.



posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 02:08 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Well too bad, because it's impossible to live in a country that doesn't tax you. So you are going to have to get over the whole taxes = stealing thing. You can't escape it no matter what your personal opinions on it are.


true true. would be nice though if they actually used them for their stated purpose.



posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 02:48 PM
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"we're going to help the elderly and the poor!"

okaaaay, so, do that. ya know, instead of poems in zoos and global domination and monkey poop



posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: undo

Shaking down poor people doesn't really matter. Taxes on the poor are 100% irrelevant, if their income is taxed away they get it back in increased assistance due to federal guidelines on post tax income levels for assistance programs.

As far as spending more on the poor, that would be nice but we have a party of deficit hawks who argue against doing that, and like it or not they have enough power to force compromises on spending which reduces just how much can be diverted to assistance.



posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 06:43 PM
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This is where my Independent nature picks the right side of an argument. Absolutely we should provide healthcare to ALL the citizens of the US. Paid for 100% by the government. Yes, I said that.

Why? Because it's the least the government could do for us! We pay for them to exist. We pay for them sending money and goods to other countries. They need to provide for our health. Period.

There is ZERO good reason that we should not have universal healthcare. It's not socialism, it's the government doing exactly what they are supposed to for once. Providing good health for us to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.

Those who say that nothing is free, you got that right! However, I never said free. I said provided. My tax dollars should do more than fund the military, and foreign aid.

Not a very "conservative" stance, I know, but in this case the conservatives are dead wrong. So are the Liberals who framed the ACA. They caved on their chance to do something right for once, as usual.

But if you are not a citizen, you get NOTHING. Period.



posted on Oct, 8 2015 @ 07:34 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

The Bible challenges me to love people and yes personally care for the poor. To vote for someone else to do isn't charity, justice, or anything good really, it is laziness and lends to one not taking responsibility for their community. I do not vote for guys with guns to take money from working families. I do donate my own money to charities...charities that actually help, not these liberal charities that pay their President/CEO $1,000,000 a year and only a small percent of money donated goes to actually helping people. The Salvation Army is a great example of a good charity...

Medicaid could be expanded if we find ways to fund it...but it seems to me it is going to go bankrupt along with Social Security...add that to the $18,000,000,000,000 debt and pretty soon we will not even be able to pay the INTEREST off our debts...

I'd like to see our financial situation improve before anything is radically expanded...



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 12:17 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: undo


As far as spending more on the poor, that would be nice but we have a party of deficit hawks who argue against doing that, and like it or not they have enough power to force compromises on spending which reduces just how much can be diverted to assistance.


well why don't they force compromises on the wasteful stuff? something fishy about all that, doncha think? like the idea is to blame the tax payers for the suffering.



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 06:49 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t



Hahaha, really?

There isn't enough free crap in this country for those who aren't willing to do a damn thing to better themselves??????

Section-8 housing (some damn nice places are being rented as section-8 these days!)

Free food.

Free transit cards.

Free medical care.

Free phones.

Business grants only available to certain people.




But I'll tell you something: I happen to agree with many of Jesus' teachings (and I'm agnostic!), however he was talking to people in a time where humans still lived largely in communal groups. In fact humans are naturally nomadic people who live in groups around 50 people in size.

Helping out the ones who need it benefits the group, but it's not a long-term thing where a couple habitual slackers in the group will be tolerated mooching off the others for ever and ever.

I absolutely support help for people in genuine need and who demonstrate a desire to better themselves. The model only survives if you weed out the cheaters and remove the repeat moochers though.





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