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John Kasich Tells Critics Of Medicaid Expansion To Read The Bible

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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
Really? Then whose the 'landlord'?


The government. Taxes are what you pay to have a minimum standard of living in your nation, a military to defend it, access to the infrastructure, and access to the market.




posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 11:50 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Aazadan

that's bs. a muslim is more likely to get help in the usa because we, the people, don't want to kill muslim babies, men and women but the globalists do. it's part of their depopulation agenda. man have you not been paying attention to flippin' anything?


So how many private charities that go to benefit Muslims are you donating to?



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Aazadan

that's bs. a muslim is more likely to get help in the usa because we, the people, don't want to kill muslim babies, men and women but the globalists do. it's part of their depopulation agenda. man have you not been paying attention to flippin' anything?


So how many private charities that go to benefit Muslims are you donating to?


if i had anything left after paying bills and taxes, i'd donate to any charity that helped the poor and that includes poor muslims. what a piece of work you are. freakin' race/religion baiters. drive me flippin' nuts with their constant accusations. grr arf meow.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Charities DO work if you stay away for the ones who generate more money for their cadre of employees than they spend on the actual charity they work for.

I only donate to 2 National Charities and that is St. Judes Children's hospital and Shriner Children Hospital. Other than that I donate to my local food bank, and every winter we have a local charity that buys children shoes and winter coats.

So to say charities do not work is not entirely true! I guess I am a sucker for needy children, but keep your charity locally and stay away from the massive expensive tv commercials begging for your money. If you do want to donate to one of the TV charities, there are many websites that tell you how much they use for administration costs versus how much they actually spend on their so called charity.

Edit: I also do not ask the IRS for a refund for my charitable contributions! That isn't charity when the government will pay you back.


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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: seeker1963

commendable!



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: seeker1963

commendable!


Nah, just being me....I NEVER tell anyone I donate to anything, because true charity does not require recognition? But because of this thread I had to share my thoughts!



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Expanding Medicaid in a Capitalist society like ours isn't working out too well. As I posted in another thread today, there are only 17 primary care MEDICAID physicians within 10 miles of my home, just outside Chicago. That's 17 physicians in a radius that encompasses 2 million people.

The Medicaid Expansion gesture is ethically noble, and is has helped some people here in Illinois. But unfortunately, the best physicians aren't willing to see Jim, if Jim's insurance (Medicaid) pays them 40% less than Mary's private health plan.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963




I also do not ask the IRS for a refund for my charitable contributions! That isn't charity when the government will pay you back.


Thank you my man, that is what I am talking about. Pigeon-holing someone into the position where they either hate needy people or not, based on Government is BS. A lot of us want to help people out, but are impeded by Governments greediness. To say Government is the most effective means is downright laughable.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:06 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Expanding Medicaid in a Capitalist society like ours isn't working out too well. As I posted in another thread today, there are only 17 primary care MEDICAID physicians within 10 miles of my home, just outside Chicago. That's 17 physicians in a radius that encompasses 2 million people.

The Medicaid Expansion gesture is ethically noble, and is has helped some people here in Illinois. But unfortunately, the best physicians aren't willing to see Jim, if Jim's insurance (Medicaid) pays them 40% less than Mary's private health plan.



so quality of care diminishes. i get it. it shouldn't but it does. yet if the government charges higher taxes to pay the equivalent, then everyone who even has a job (jobs are not prevalent these days. just about the only employer is the government and that is not good) gets even poorer while government wastes literally billions of dollars on totally stupid stuff.
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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:10 PM
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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: undo
if i had anything left after paying bills and taxes, i'd donate to any charity that helped the poor and that includes poor muslims. what a piece of work you are. freakin' race/religion baiters. drive me flippin' nuts with their constant accusations. grr arf meow.


I'm not trying to race bait, but it's the easiest example. It has been my experience though that most charity, particularly for adults falls along religious lines. I'm not trying to call people who donate bigots, it's just how humans work psychologically, we are far more tolerant and accepting of people like us. You can see this bias all over the place, this forum is a great example where people like to create a hierarchy of importance of self/family/neighbors/community/state/country/world where each degree up is the perception of people being less like them.

I'm doing slightly better financially these days (though not much) but about 2 years ago things were quite tight. In order to ensure I could eat every night I would have to walk to the various churches and eat at the dinners they would put out for the poor. Which is all well and good until you realize that part of doing so means praying to and accepting a god you don't believe in, just to not go hungry.

The problem is that the poor have few peers, the well off and the poor are very different due to the gap in economic class. Charities at their best still only bring in a fraction of what taxes bring in. In order to actually help everyone or to even attempt such a thing, it requires a mechanism that is bigger than individual biases and that mechanism is government. As a thought experiment ask yourself, if all taxes were optional, people could pick and choose not just how much they would give but dictate exactly where it would go, what would the budgets look like in every facet of government?



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

A minimum standard of living?

I must have missed that amendment....

Must have missed the gov't is the 'Landlord' one , as well.

Next time I need an update on the current version of the Constitution, I'll be sure to send you a PM.......



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:24 PM
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I'm doing slightly better financially these days (though not much) but about 2 years ago things were quite tight. In order to ensure I could eat every night I would have to walk to the various churches and eat at the dinners they would put out for the poor. Which is all well and good until you realize that part of doing so means praying to and accepting a god you don't believe in, just to not go hungry.


Well Damn Honey, they made you pray? You are telling me people went out of their way, to feed so you didn't have to go hungry, yet it is out of your way to pray with them? Good Lord, you are harsh.



As a thought experiment ask yourself, if all taxes were optional, people could pick and choose not just how much they would give but dictate exactly where it would go, what would the budgets look like in every facet of government?


I would hope it went to what the actual Articles of the Constitution entailed. Not Perpetual Welfare, Not Perpetual Warfare. Let us have our money, and leave our asses alone. You will see a social change for sure.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:26 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

dunno about that. i had a friend who was....well if you can imagine a modern day captain jack sparrow, that was him. frequently in trouble. heavy metal head. he was friend because his mom and dad, were friends of my husband and i. otherwise, we probably wouldn't have gotten to know him because of the severe differences in lifestyle. his parents were mormons . mormons have their own welfare program. anyone can take advantage of it, regardless if they are mormons or not. however when he was down and out, they wouldn't help him. so he went to a catholic charity and they did help him but he didn't have to become a catholic. so i think you may have either encountered an odd situation or your overstating your case, based on your imagination or, and this is one you will begin to see alot more once you start observing things in a neutral fashion:

people often don't realize they are projecting on to others, their own shortcomings. it's a bizaare facet of the human mind. you even have to check yourself cause it can sneak out and wham, you're actually looking at yourself, while the person you've accused is like WTF!!?



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
A minimum standard of living?

I must have missed that amendment....

Must have missed the gov't is the 'Landlord' one , as well.

Next time I need an update on the current version of the Constitution, I'll be sure to send you a PM.......


It's not an Amendment, it's in the Constitution itself.

Here's the part about a minimum standard of living.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The government is the landlord because they hold ultimate jurisdiction over the land. Article 3, Section 2, Paragraph 1 which establishes the jurisdiction of courts, and thereby the laws they uphold.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;— between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

It says promote. It doesn't say provide....


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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Typical. I guess Religious Freedom is all good as long as you use it to deny gays a marriage or a woman a choice, but once you use it to help the poor with some health care it's all bad.

IMO, this one act by Kaisch not only exposes the deception the rest of his party's brothers and sisters are pushing but also elevates him to the status of what a true Christian is supposed to be. Good for him and shame on his detractors.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Really? You can't think of any yourself?


I didn't say any such thing. I asked to give me some examples.


Was there a 'compromise' with the British on forming an independent nation?


Not that I know of. I don't know about you, but I don't consider a war fought over forming an independent nation much of a compromise...


Is there a 'compromise' on allowing an unrestricted passage of TPP?


Not that I know of.


It's called, on a personal level, integrity. Not much practiced these days, but the concept isn't dead yet....



So your examples of "too much compromise" are examples of times when no compromise is occurring. Hmmm....



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: mOjOm

typical of what? here we go again.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Aazadan

It says promote. It doesn't say provide....



They're the same thing. To promote something is to partially contribute to it.



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