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John Kasich Tells Critics Of Medicaid Expansion To Read The Bible

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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: undo

Sorry, I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory that the left and the right are in cahoots to make everyone but the elite poor. Such things are silly and suggest that the elite are the only humans in existence that have uniform ideas and agree with each other on everything. That's bull#. The elite are just as human as you or I. They disagree with each other just as much as we disagree with each other. Politics is a reason for such disagreements. So pretending like there is no divide between the left and the right is just lazy thinking.


oh there are a few differences, i'll give ya that, but the final goal is the same. global domination . the left gets us to pay taxes to help the poor, pulling on our heart strings cause they know the public are essentially good at heart. then behind the scenes they make plans to use those taxes to wage revolutions and wars in foreign lands.




posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: undo

I would venture a guess at the percentage of taxes used to actually benefit the impoverished at around 15%-20%.

So, that would mean that we have redistributed about $8 trillion.

Besides my argument against giving $32 trillion to public employees, can or should we keep consuming capital that could be improving civilization when it seems clear that these programs do not help?



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: undo

Like I said, I don't believe that conspiracy theory. Yes, dishonest and unscrupulous politicians exist, and I will even admit that many likely fall into that category, but saying that there is some end goal of world domination from the government, both left and right sides is AGAIN falling into that trap that the elite are magically able to overcome the natural tendency for humans to disagree with each other. It's unreasonable.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: undo

I would venture a guess at the percentage of taxes used to actually benefit the impoverished at around 15%-20%.

So, that would mean that we have redistributed about $8 trillion.

Besides my argument against giving $32 trillion to public employees, can or should we keep consuming capital that could be improving civilization when it seems clear that these programs do not help?


my husband did some research on space related ventures, and discovered that all poverty on earth could be wiped out if we implemented space mining and space colonization. nope we aren't doing that cause then we wouldn't have a section of the populace that could pretend they are better than everyone else, socially engineering the environment to not only supplement their changing of the AGE, but also to radically depopulate the herd of humans.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:03 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: butcherguy

Where have I pushed my morals onto you? My position in this thread has always been that Medicaid is a good idea and that Kaisch was pointing out obvious hypocrisy between Christian morals and Conservative political rhetoric. At no point have I told you that you MUST believe as I do. All I'm doing is taking a moral code that ISN'T mine and showing where its followers are deviating from it politically.

You have tried to shame people that do not want their money 'donated' according others wishes.
I posted the list of quotes.
You said that not wanting ones tax dollars spent on certain things is dishonest. You are calling me dishonest because I have a belief system that, while it doesn't actively affect others, disagrees with yours. Even more, anyone that disagrees with your idea threatens it, because your idea relies on forced 'donation' for charity.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: undo

Like I said, I don't believe that conspiracy theory. Yes, dishonest and unscrupulous politicians exist, and I will even admit that many likely fall into that category, but saying that there is some end goal of world domination from the government, both left and right sides is AGAIN falling into that trap that the elite are magically able to overcome the natural tendency for humans to disagree with each other. It's unreasonable.


we've been trying to force democracy on the globe, encouraging the implementation of revolutions. do you want me to go back to old threads to see your response to those events? i will. don't lie to me. it's an insult



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: butcherguy

I call that hypocrisy. If you are fine with that reasoning, that's on you. But reasoning such as yours is one of the reasons I left Christianity behind (not just Catholicism).



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:10 AM
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a reply to: undo

I'm not allowed to evolve my thinking as I research and learn about new things? Though I've NEVER believed in the NWO or similar conspiracies during my entire tenure here. I did use to be a believer in the "no divide between left and right" conspiracy, but I feel that was only the case because I didn't understand politics as well as I do now.

You mention forcing democracy around the globe. You do realize that forced or not, democracies that we've setup around the globe aren't required to listen to us right? I do know about the puppet dictatorships we've setup in the past, but (and I definitely don't agree with them) that only happens to a small portion of the total countries in the world.
edit on 7-10-2015 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: undo

I would venture a guess at the percentage of taxes used to actually benefit the impoverished at around 15%-20%.

So, that would mean that we have redistributed about $8 trillion.

Besides my argument against giving $32 trillion to public employees, can or should we keep consuming capital that could be improving civilization when it seems clear that these programs do not help?


my husband did some research on space related ventures, and discovered that all poverty on earth could be wiped out if we implemented space mining and space colonization. nope we aren't doing that cause then we wouldn't have a section of the populace that could pretend they are better than everyone else, socially engineering the environment to not only supplement their changing of the AGE, but also to radically depopulate the herd of humans.


I agree, you've got a good man there!



I am always shocked when I hear people say that there is no room for humanity to grow. Really?!



Neo-Malthusians abound these days and the philosophy of regressionism meshes tightly with ecofascism.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

i apologize krazy. you're right. we all learn and evolve over time.
but notice how if you agree with the premise (democracy) then it's okay in your book if our tax monies go to stage the necessary revolutions (that's war, dear, not peace) to make that happen.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:18 AM
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In general I hold the view that there's been too much compromise with the left.
That's in general , however.

I fully agree Kaisch's comment is laden with hypocrisy. There's a point of agreement.

I see across the boards agreement on the TPP as well. both the conservative right-not the Republican Establishment-and some on the left are ,at least, verbally against it.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:24 AM
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originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Krazysh0t

i apologize krazy. you're right. we all learn and evolve over time.
but notice how if you agree with the premise (democracy) then it's okay in your book if our tax monies go to stage the necessary revolutions (that's war, dear, not peace) to make that happen.


I still don't agree with war or overthrowing a sovereign government that we disagree with. If I had my way, we'd be COMPLETELY out of the Middle East militarily. That includes bombing and personnel. I want my taxes to going to help people, not kill or maim them.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Krazysh0t

In general I hold the view that there's been too much compromise with the left.
That's in general , however.


How can you have too much compromise? More compromise is always a good thing. They prevent things from straying too far left or too far right.


I fully agree Kaisch's comment is laden with hypocrisy. There's a point of agreement.





I see across the boards agreement on the TPP as well. both the conservative right-not the Republican Establishment-and some on the left are ,at least, verbally against it.


Yea, I don't like the TPP either.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:29 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Krazysh0t

i apologize krazy. you're right. we all learn and evolve over time.
but notice how if you agree with the premise (democracy) then it's okay in your book if our tax monies go to stage the necessary revolutions (that's war, dear, not peace) to make that happen.


I still don't agree with war or overthrowing a sovereign government that we disagree with. If I had my way, we'd be COMPLETELY out of the Middle East militarily. That includes bombing and personnel. I want my taxes to going to help people, not kill or maim them.


then we are in full agreement and your op springs a leak.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:36 AM
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FOR THE RECORD (now hear this and all that jazz):

most people do not want war, killing, poverty, strife, domination or other people getting up in their bizness, whether financial or personal spaces. we are only made guilty by association because the elite have to have a large population to blame for their new age of aquarius depopulation BS.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: DuckforcoveR
I like how you conveniently left out the verse where Jesus said to "pull thy bootstraps up and get a job you bum"



a reply to: Krazysh0t



that's in the holy bible titled "screw anyone that isn't white and Christian"



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:43 AM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: DuckforcoveR
I like how you conveniently left out the verse where Jesus said to "pull thy bootstraps up and get a job you bum"



a reply to: Krazysh0t



that's in the holy bible titled "screw anyone that isn't white and Christian"


how do you know jesus wasn't egyptian ? i think he was part white and part black, definitely semitic (you realize arabs and in fact, most muslims, are semites?).



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:47 AM
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come on jimmyx. let's rumble.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Krazysh0t

i apologize krazy. you're right. we all learn and evolve over time.
but notice how if you agree with the premise (democracy) then it's okay in your book if our tax monies go to stage the necessary revolutions (that's war, dear, not peace) to make that happen.


I still don't agree with war or overthrowing a sovereign government that we disagree with. If I had my way, we'd be COMPLETELY out of the Middle East militarily. That includes bombing and personnel. I want my taxes to going to help people, not kill or maim them.


then we are in full agreement and your op springs a leak.


It does? I personally consider Medicaid something that helps people, not something that kills or maims them.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 10:47 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t




Mark 12:17 And Jesus said to them, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him.


First of all, that quote is is very hard to use as evidence when cherry-picking. There's a lot that goes into that passage. There is obvious nuance in Jesus' response. Jesus was being trapped by the Sanhedrin (Pharisees tried it multiple times already and were embarrassed) and this was a Roman denarius coin with the the Emperor's image and title. Forbidden by Jews to have. Do you remember Jesus turning over the money changer's tables in the Temple? This was because you could not pay the Temple Tax with a Roman coin. I will gladly join a discussion in the Religion Forum if you want to create a thread on the intricacies of Christian Obligation when it comes to Government.



In other words pay your taxes. Looking at social programs as "stealing" from you is dishonest. You already pay taxes that go to fund things like wars. Funding a social program makes little difference, except in this case we are SAVING lives instead of ending them.



Maybe I am dishonest, maybe I'm not. I could say the same for you. I can call taxation with out representation what it is, "stealing". So could you. Minority Groups do it all the time.
The day I start making comments how I have no problem with over-seas war and aid, is they day you can really call me dishonest. I want the Federal Government to stick to our Constitution. National Defense, Not Nation Destruction and Rebuilding. Christians want to help people. It is not hard to see that if you have $100 taken out of your paycheck for bureaucracy and Government programs, you cannot spend that money to a better cause. I want more lives, not less. Most Christians do.

Harvestdog:


Where's the hypocrisy and who's really greedy?




The Christian right.


Tell me again how is greedy and who is hypocritical.
Is it me? Am I not working hard enough and fast enough to bring about Jesus' Socialist Utopia?



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