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Democrats Run The Highest Crime Cities in America

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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey



I think that you may have missed the point of the thread


After reading the entire thread, it becomes clear that the point of the thread was to spread propaganda from our resident OP propagandist.

Looking at the situation clearly and the statistical information, no such correlation can be made between Democrat mayors and their crime rates. There are too many factors involved to blame one ideology or party.

But we've come to expect such garbage from the Op, haven't we? It's sad that this is the norm on a site that is supposed to deny ignorance.




posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: SlapMonkey



I think that you may have missed the point of the thread


After reading the entire thread, it becomes clear that the point of the thread was to spread propaganda from our resident OP propagandist.

Looking at the situation clearly and the statistical information, no such correlation can be made between Democrat mayors and their crime rates. There are too many factors involved to blame one ideology or party.

But we've come to expect such garbage from the Op, haven't we? It's sad that this is the norm on a site that is supposed to deny ignorance.


I'm glad someone else has noticed. The propaganda from both sides has run rampant as of late. I guess it should be expected since election day is drawing closer. Ignorance is bliss.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 01:46 PM
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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

More propaganda, huh?

Bad form.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 01:55 PM
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Well, Alaska has the loosest gun laws in the country, and we also have the highest per-capital gun crime. We are a solid, blood rate state too.

Take a look at the chart, it shows gun-related deaths per 100,000 -- and then how each state fares on their gun laws:


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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Well, not to stick up for the OP since I really have no opinion on your assertions either way, but you accuse this of being propaganda, but can you counter the assertion with any links or articles that negate the point?

I'm all about denying ignorance, but just countering an OP by calling it propaganda with no proof comes across as just as ignorant. At least the OP has a link to back the claim.

While I agree with your assertion that there are too many variables to blame it on one particular thing, reading between the lines works well in this situation, and it's absolutely true that, at least with crime and gun ownership, it is the Democrat who generally enacts or lobbies for oppressive laws in order to make "scary" things illegal for everyone, ignoring the fact that criminals don't give a rat's ass about what law that is passed or for what end goal.

ETA: Also, are you implying that you didn't even read the entire post before you commented on it?
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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 02:30 PM
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While I agree with your assertion that there are too many variables to blame it on one particular thing


That's all that is required. There are too many things we have to take in to account before we can definitively say it is the fault of one party or ideology for high crime rates.

This entire approach is just as disingenuous as saying that more red states receive welfare than blue states. While I can provide statistics to show that is the case, there is much more info that must be looked at before deciding Republicans like welfare.

Can you see what the OP is doing now?



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 02:40 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

This entire approach is just as disingenuous as saying that more red states receive welfare than blue states.


Ahh but the recipients are in majority Democrat voting areas !!




posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: CB328
Seattle's 90% Democratic and it's way safer than the cities on the list. And what about places like Vermont?

Most big cities suck because they're big cities, and have high crime because there's lots of poor people and lots of minorities.


Nailed it!




posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 02:44 PM
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a reply to: introvert

In general it is because Democrats run the largest urban centers. Urban centers as a whole tend to have more minority and poorer populations which also happens to be where most of the crime happens.

Managing large cities, government and local economies is pretty difficult. It is hard to assign blame to any one individual or party for that matter. However, if Democrats have been at the helm for numerous years, then they most certainly can share a large portion of the blame. Their policies aren't doing anything to fix whatever the issues may be. I'm sure if the economies were booming they'd take the credit.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: introvert

This entire approach is just as disingenuous as saying that more red states receive welfare than blue states.


Ahh but the recipients are in majority Democrat voting areas !!



That is correct. So it would be disingenuous to say that Republicans like welfare because their states have higher levels of welfare recipients.

It is also disingenuous to say that most cities with higher crime can blame the Democrats. The people and the cities are subject to many different things that can affect poverty, general welfare and other aspects outside of the mayor's reach that contribute to crime.

We both know what you're doing here because that is your job and I just like to point out that it is wrong.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 03:09 PM
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In general it is because Democrats run the largest urban centers. Urban centers as a whole tend to have more minority and poorer populations which also happens to be where most of the crime happens.


True.



Managing large cities, government and local economies is pretty difficult. It is hard to assign blame to any one individual or party for that matter.


That is true as well. But that is what the OP is all about. They are trying to blame Democrats and their policies for the crime.



However, if Democrats have been at the helm for numerous years, then they most certainly can share a large portion of the blame. Their policies aren't doing anything to fix whatever the issues may be. I'm sure if the economies were booming they'd take the credit.


Mayors don't have the power to change trade laws, or force manufacturing jobs to stay. They can't change federal policies that may contribute to poverty or welfare. There are many aspects to this issue that go well beyond "they have been in charge, so it must be their fault".

This OP and thread was propaganda designed to bypass all rational thought and go straight for the emotional-partisan knee-jerks that we have seen.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Edumakated



In general it is because Democrats run the largest urban centers. Urban centers as a whole tend to have more minority and poorer populations which also happens to be where most of the crime happens.


True.



Managing large cities, government and local economies is pretty difficult. It is hard to assign blame to any one individual or party for that matter.


That is true as well. But that is what the OP is all about. They are trying to blame Democrats and their policies for the crime.



However, if Democrats have been at the helm for numerous years, then they most certainly can share a large portion of the blame. Their policies aren't doing anything to fix whatever the issues may be. I'm sure if the economies were booming they'd take the credit.


Mayors don't have the power to change trade laws, or force manufacturing jobs to stay. They can't change federal policies that may contribute to poverty or welfare. There are many aspects to this issue that go well beyond "they have been in charge, so it must be their fault".

This OP and thread was propaganda designed to bypass all rational thought and go straight for the emotional-partisan knee-jerks that we have seen.



I'm under the thought that politicians d or r are useless and people voting for them because they think these politicians will improve their lives even more so. But mayors ist certainly control crime rates as they not the feds have final say on police force, can do better job of community and community leader outreach and so on. Some mayors can and do take charge and drastically reduce crime based on using what they can control. Now sometimes what they do is very questionable but it can be done. So d or r don't care But we will agree to disagree if a mayor be it d or r can and do affect crime rates in their cities. Will also say if one party has controlled any city for decades with no positive change in things like crime, they are part of the problem even if not the entire problem. Not that the other option whatever that is will be much better in the overall.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Edumakated



In general it is because Democrats run the largest urban centers. Urban centers as a whole tend to have more minority and poorer populations which also happens to be where most of the crime happens.


True.



Managing large cities, government and local economies is pretty difficult. It is hard to assign blame to any one individual or party for that matter.


That is true as well. But that is what the OP is all about. They are trying to blame Democrats and their policies for the crime.



However, if Democrats have been at the helm for numerous years, then they most certainly can share a large portion of the blame. Their policies aren't doing anything to fix whatever the issues may be. I'm sure if the economies were booming they'd take the credit.


Mayors don't have the power to change trade laws, or force manufacturing jobs to stay. They can't change federal policies that may contribute to poverty or welfare. There are many aspects to this issue that go well beyond "they have been in charge, so it must be their fault".

This OP and thread was propaganda designed to bypass all rational thought and go straight for the emotional-partisan knee-jerks that we have seen.


I don't necessarily disagree that there can be over arching issues that might really be the problem. However, you also have to look at a lot of the local policy decisions as well.

I'm in Chicago which has been pretty much the poster child for a Democrat run city in terms of being on the brink financially and crime. Chicago is a beautiful world class city. IMHO the city is doing well in spite of Democrat rule and policies due to a lot of the outside factors you mention. This city would have probably imploded a long time ago were it not for some other factors that help lessen the impact of many of the disasterous policies put in place by Democrats.

Democrats most certainly own pretty much all the ills in this city as you can't find a Republican within the city borders. Democrat mayor. Democrat Alderman.

Chicago has pathetic public schools and one of the most aggressive teachers unions in the country. The Democrat politicians have licked the teachers unions boots for decades and have nothing to show for it but dumbed down students who can barely spell their own names. Now that it has become obvious something has to change, Democrats (Rahm Emmanuel) is trying to make some common sense changes.

Democrats attempt to block any kind of reform, school choice, etc. Any Democrat can try to claim they don't own the failure of school systems in large cities is just disingenuous.

We can argue that a lot of the crime is related to the failure of the schools. Just like we can also argue that a lot of the crime is related to the break down of the family which is largely a result of Democrat welfare policies.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 03:31 PM
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Block grants are large chunks of money given to local governments by the federal government with few strings attached.

So, cities have a wide berth determining how they will be spent.

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posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: queenofswords

There is no doubt that Democrats have some skin in this game. They have to take blame for bad policies and actions. That is not in dispute.

What I dispute is the notion that only Democrat-ran cities have crime and poverty issues and that only Democrat policies and actions are to blame. The entire notion, which is the premise of the OP, is absolutely absurd.

How can we figure out the problem and fix it if we continue to let propagandists divide us on the very basic principles involved in a logical discussion?



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: introvert

You are hyper defensive.

The OP did not say that democrats were the only ones, but they do run the cities with the highest poverty and crime rates. It is a fact. But everyone has known this for years.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: introvert

You are hyper defensive.

The OP did not say that democrats were the only ones, but they do run the cities with the highest poverty and crime rates. It is a fact. But everyone has known this for years.





That is exactly what the OP was implying in his OP.



Here we have a story that takes some FBI crime statistics and shows the most dangerous U.S. cities are actually heavy Democrat pockets !!

Somebody needs to get to the bottom of the root causes of high crime in America and why it happens in certain areas and not others.



posted on Oct, 7 2015 @ 04:18 PM
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That chart doesnt show firearm crime. Read it before posting it please. Im sure the data you alluded to is available, and it may even agree with your premise. Lets see it.



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