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originally posted by: seagull
I'm sure there is...
But folks like me aren't who you want to go to for it.
I'm fully in favor of agreeing to disagree...but common ground is, in all honesty, asking too much from me. It's the anarchist in me, I suppose...at least where my second amendment rights are concerned.
First amendment should be unbound. So, too, should, the second. These are the two most important parts of the Constitution.
MHO, of course. Feel free to disagree.
originally posted by: Seraii
a reply to: seaswine
Yes in response to that. It is definitely time to agree to disagree, all this arguing and bickering obviously gets us nowhere. It leads us to an unsatisfying response and thoughts continue to rage.
At this point the issue is just that either or people are going to argue and complain if something doesn't happen and then after the matter too. And to be honest. Both can go the same ways. It's really 50/50, they can both have a similar response, ban guns or not. They can both go down hill no matter what.
Its time for this argument to end.
originally posted by: SaltyRibeye
a reply to: ~Lucidity
Well a civil war wouldnt last long at all since lefties tend to dislike guns.
Theyd bring slaps and hair pulling to a gun fight.
I believe it would be a good thing, the nation could use some cleansing of leftists.
originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: seaswine
We've now argued it back and forth for weeks and haven't found this definitive answer. So let's, in the name of good faith and community, agree to disagree??
I'm just going to agree - it's easier
Anything to avoid getting myself shot
originally posted by: openyourmind1262
Making the 99% of us that own firearms and are responsible gun owners tow the line for the 1% that are mentally ill and use a firearm to kill others isn't the way to go. Mental health screenings, much stiffer background check, and class's to show the proper use and care of said firearm should be the norm. There's a multitude of things that can be done to curb these nutcase mass shootings. Let's address violent video games that take the empathy out of killing. I mean we have kids sitting in there homes on X-Box playing war games....the point of which is to kill the other person your online playing & talking with.....crazy, I know. But that's what's going on. Slowly taking the mental process to where taking a life is a walk in the park.
Take that out into the real world with a mentally ill person and bingo....mass killing, zero remorse. Just like video games. Not saying video games are the only culprit.....but you gotta see they don't help when they take the sheer damn horror of taking a life and turn it into ENTERTAINMENT for our youth. Sorry I got so long winded, feelings are pretty strong on this particular subject.
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: BubbaJoe
By unbound I mean firearms. To my mind, an RPG, while cool, isn't a firearm. It's a grenade launcher on steroids. Semantics, I suppose, but there it is.
If they're causing a ruckus, which from what you've said is the case, I'd agree with you.
But there are already a sufficiency of laws on the books to cover this. An over-sufficiency, IMHO. What's lacking is enforcement.
If laws we must have, then they need to be enforced properly. That's our jobs as citizens of this, or any other country. Isn't it?
originally posted by: tkwasny
How about a thermonuclear dose of reality:
New CT anti-gun law, 2013.
The time has run out to register your "assault weapon" or your magazines greater than 10 rounds. The politicians ordered the DEP to put together the list of known offenders so they can be arrested, door-to-door style.
The effort was instantly hushed and quashed when it was determined that on this list was almost 70% of the entire state's state police, local police, EMTs, firefighters, CEOs and board members of nearly every significant tax paying company in the state, and most state, local politicians.
To date no one has been arrested under the 2013 law except for additional charges when they were arrested for other crimes FIRST. So who's going to do the gun collecting and arrests?
I live here in CT and work as a contractor inside the govt so I know the real story. Not the crap told in the media.
originally posted by: ABNARTY
a reply to: queenofswords
This thread demonstrates this is a complex issue. Any solution needs to be multi-variate.
While tragic, are mass shootings statistically even a problem? With 330+ million Americans with 1.2 guns per capita, it is amazing mass shootings are less than 1% of gun deaths per year.
No one wants to see a church or school shot up. But why does the media focus on that 1%? The other 99% don't count? They are not worthy of national discussion?
Maybe something can be done about it without erosion of civil liberties. But I do NOT trust legislators now-a-days to develop that "something". The same bunch facilitating death and destruction of thousands every year elsewhere in the world.
I do not trust most Americans, entitled lot of them who believe someone owes them safety against everything always. Far be it from them to provide their own modicum of self protection or even be slightly aware/educated on what goes on around them.
Just because I do not have an immediate solution to a very complex social problem does not mean I am ready to trust pathetic Americans and criminal politicians to decide what I am to do or give up to ensure both groups are taken care of.
originally posted by: seaswineSo let's, in the name of good faith and community, agree to disagree??