Revealed: Japan's Secret Weapon to Destroy China's J-20 and J-31

a reply to: yuppa

Hopefully the Japanese have enough bullets.

Should China decide to actually throw it' armed force at someone it wouldn't be pretty.

a reply to: grey580

If Japan had to throw bullets at China, so would we and they know this. There are a number of nations the Chinese would LOVE to take (Taiwan, S. Korea, Japan, Philippians, ect., ect.) that they don't because of the US backing them up. Hence the push for those nations to strengthen themselves to take some of the protection responsibility off of our armed forces.
A non-nuclear war with China wouldn't be pretty for anyone involved, especially for China and it's neighboring countries but at this point in time China has far more to loose than they would gain.

OK this is just pathetic in my opinion, there is no way on gods green earth Japan would be able to stop China if they wanted to just take over all of Asia.

Japan has no nuclear weapons China does end of conversation.

All China would have to do is blow up a few US bases and Japan would probably surrender faster than the Iraqis did in the US vs Iraq war. Why?

Because the Japanese people dont have a fighting bone in thier body anymore, nor do they have the military might China does. China can create whatever military weapons they want, Japan cant, they can only do what we/USA tells them to do.

So if it ever come down to it, Japan would rather surrender than be nuked after China sunk a few ships and destroyed a few bases.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

China blowing up a US base would be an act of war.

The crap would assuredly hit the fan at that point.

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

China blowing up a US base would be an act of war.

The crap would assuredly hit the fan at that point.

Yeah but it would be the USA doing the fighting not the Japanese.

Mark my words the Japanese are a peaceful people and cant be forced to fight if they dont want to.

They are also intelligent enough to know when to quit.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
OK this is just pathetic in my opinion, there is no way on gods green earth Japan would be able to stop China if they wanted to just take over all of Asia.

Japan has no nuclear weapons China does end of conversation.

All China would have to do is blow up a few US bases and Japan would probably surrender faster than the Iraqis did in the US vs Iraq war. Why?

Because the Japanese people dont have a fighting bone in thier body anymore, nor do they have the military might China does. China can create whatever military weapons they want, Japan cant, they can only do what we/USA tells them to do.

So if it ever come down to it, Japan would rather surrender than be nuked after China sunk a few ships and destroyed a few bases.

Wow..just wow. IF i recall the japanese usually beat out evereryone at RIMPAC Using US made weapons So your point about them being pushover is kind of off. CHina would not resort to Nukes first ok? They would want to capture Japan.

The problem with a invasion id you can see it coming a week in advance with china. Giving them time to lay mine fields in the ocean(yes against international law but its war who cares?). CHina at current does not have the ability to provide a invasion force air cover as it approaches Japan by water.

They wouuld sink them before they get close enough to land them.

Al this talk about China unleashing its massive military is uneducated hyperbole. The Chinese do not have the capability for a sustained foreign war. They lack the supporting infrastructure to invade even Taiwan. They don't have the transport assets in either aircraft or ships nor do they have the logistical infrastructure to support a force on foreign soil for an extended time. They have the ability to raid and pepper neighboring regional powers and their new stealth technology is a major part of that game plan. The E-2d will give Japan the ability t see these threats coming when used in a CAP at which point the excellent Japanese defense forces can intercept and reduce the threat. All this talk about the Japanese losing their fighting spirit... They still have an emperor and are still very patriotic with a great passion for their storied past.

China can project military assets as well a weaponry into space.

Lets not forget thier nation wide laser system made for shooting down anything from drones to propeller radar planes.

Also how many of these slow moving planes does Japan have anyway?

China has hypersonic missles that can shoot down things around the globe, comparing the two is pretty silly.

Japan has very little military equipment unless we give it to them. China makes thier own stuff, alot of it is knock offs of our stuff, which means they know how our stuff works, and can counter it.

You think they are showing us all thier stuff?
Think again they are showing us our own stuff back to us to let us know they have our number, and can do better.

Japan has 300 fighter planes most are 1980s equipment or 1970s.
Japan has 60 or so ships.

China can in my opinion take out Japans airforce and navy because they have no defence against Chinese weaponry for example hypersonic missles, subcavatating torpedoes, and stealth fighters.

Lets not forget their anti sattellite missles. . . .

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

japan can become nuclear if it wanted to, it just chooses currently to not do so i mean they got nuke plants and all the other prerequisite including a space program and copious amounts of enriched plutonium ,funny you sound like most of the world in 1937(1931 for the Chinese/Manchurian)...ohh the japanese they cant be a threat they cant even see straight at night and all that bs.
foreignpolicy.com...

www.nbcnews.com...

last time they tangled china outnumbered them(40ish million japanese compared to 550 million chinese) and the Japanese spent the next 7 years taking their land performing lab experiments on the Chinese and dropping biological and chemical weapons on population centers until they killed 20 million of them. they arent weak they have just committed them selves to peace and economic growth post ww2 and its helped they have had big brother USA to help keep them safe.

i dont think they will go back to their imperial roots but to underestimate them and think they cant revert to the old ways if threatend is not a wise thought process.

thediplomat.com... some info on a defense plan at sea for japan vs china
but talks about how alot of Japanese doctrine is about containing and holding up enemy fleets until allied navies can show up to help

nationalinterest.org... some bits of kit the japanese could excell with against the Chinese if it came to it (according to this author )


www.forbes.com... on japans growing space prowess

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

The Chinese hypersonic missiles are not going to take out the Japanese air force unless it gets lucky and launches an overwhelming strike and catches all of them on the ground.

You are vastly underestimating the Japanese. They have their own equipment that they're building in enough numbers to sell internationally. They have their own indigenous aircraft and ships. Yes they have a lot of US equipment, because that makes sense. They got top of the line equipment, cheap, without the R&D time and cost, at a time when they were limited to a tiny defense force. Now that's changing and there is more Japanese designed and built equipment.

You are also vastly over estimating China right now. They can hit Japan with missiles and aircraft, but so what if they have a nation wide laser. It's not going to hit Japan, and Japan isn't going to invade China. China also can't send any kind of invasion force b or power projection to Japan yet.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Exactly the Chinese have well over 250 well maintained and fully modernized fighter jets and the f-35 very near. Not to mention they have very good AAM that are prob beatter than our AIM ranges of comparable spec. People forget that the f-15 is STILL extremely capable. A lot of experts would still give the f-15 very favorable success rates against the most capable competitors.

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

Because the Japanese people dont have a fighting bone in thier body anymore, nor do they have the military might China does. China can create whatever military weapons they want, Japan cant, they can only do what we/USA tells them to do.

Not wanting to, and not being able to, are two different things.

There is a spirit in the Japanese people that most don't see. It's under that almost unfailing politeness ingrained in Japanese society, but it is there.

Not to mention the history. That doesn't get bred out of a people over night, or in a generation or two. It may be asleep, but it ain't gone.

Can't create? Try reading some of the tech sites, some of the systems they're coming out with are qualitatively a match for anything in the world. We made a mistake of underestimating them during/before WWII to our cost. Amazing how history just keeps repeating itself.

Wow.

a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

,funny you sound like most of the world in 1937(1931 for the Chinese/Manchurian)...ohh the japanese they cant be a threat they cant even see straight at night and all that bs.

Amazing, isn't it?

a reply to: grey580

I am not sure how well this looks. If Pentagon is worried so should Japan be.

The problem is that many potential adversaries, such as the Chinese and the Russians, have developed advanced digital radio frequency memory (DRFM) jammers. These jammers, which effectively memorize an incoming radar signal and repeat it back to the sender, seriously hamper the performance of friendly radars.

Worse, these new jammers essentially blind the small radars found onboard air-to-air missiles like the Raytheon AIM-120 AMRAAM, which is the primary long-range weapon for all U.S. and most allied fighter planes.

That means it could take several missile shots to kill an enemy fighter, even for an advanced stealth aircraft like the Raptor. “While exact Pk [probability of kill] numbers are classified, let’s just say that I won’t be killing these guys one for one,” the senior Air Force official said. It’s the “same issue” for earlier American fighters like the F-15, F-16, or F/A-18.

www.thedailybeast.com...

Maybe we will SEE about the Chinese strength and lawless expansion..www.navytimes.com...

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
Maybe we will SEE about the Chinese strength and lawless expansion..www.navytimes.com...

Nothing will happen... China will let it pass With out any problems.

The US are just passing by. Its not like the US are going to go ashore on the island and occupy it from the Chinese..... that would cause a problem.

The world underestimated the Japanese before it conquered most of asia and moved heavily into the Pacific...Planes built of Bamboo and troops riding bicycles...Its not about the size of the dog its about the size of the fight in the dog.

a reply to: grey580

Japan is building up their military. I hope they stay our friends.

Considering their electronics are in a huge array of military weaponry commonly used by the West...i hope so too.

a reply to: Blackfinger

Planes built of Bamboo

Yeah, no.

Their airplanes were state of the art in aviation tech for much of the war. ...and even at the end, were coming up with designs that were at worst a match for the best the U.S., and Brits had. Had they paid a bit more attention to the training of replacements? The war could have been much worse than it turned out being.

a reply to: seagull

I would have LOVED to see a real Shinden.