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posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 06:44 AM
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Before one can even begin to contemplate any sort of end of ages it seems obvious that one should have understood the beginning but i have never come across any end time speculation that showed any understanding of such. In astrological terms were the beginning was considered to have transpired finds agreement amongst Indo-European culture, that it was at 0 degrees Aires.

From the beginning of Aries to the end of Virgo is the northern half of the ecliptic. The other half from the beginning of Libra to the end of Pisces is the southern half of the ecliptic, both deviate equally from the equator.

The general understanding in ancient Hindu astronomy was that at the beginning of the present order of things, all the planets commenced their movement together at 0° of Aries; and all the planets return to the same position in the heavens, at certain fixed intervals, resulting in a universal conjunction.



It certainly isn't the case that this dates back to when 0 degrees Aires was at the time of the Spring Equinox which was around the time of the Christian era, it dates back much further, in fact tradition indicates to the better part of 15,000 years when 0 degrees Aires was at the Autumn equinox, it also involved division of the ecliptic into 27 lunar asterisms.


The Saptarsi Calendar used in India had a cycle of 2,700 years; it is said that the Great Bear constellation stays for 100 years in each of the 27 “Nakshatras” which adds up to a cycle of 2,700 years.

The 2,700 year cycle was also referred to as a “Saptarsi Era” or a “Saptarsi Yuga”.

For them, the first point of Aries is constantly the ecliptic point on the horizon, and the Dreshkana as well as the Trimsamsa, the Navamsa and Dvadasamsa all belong to Mars. In the celestial Chakra the Rasis commencing from Aries and Asvinni are each formed by nine padas of Nakshatras.


There is a whole world of complexity involved with the formulation of these but interestingly the cycle is understood as driven by Ursa Major around Celestial North and the symbol of that rotation of the Heavens and seasons was the swastika so prevalent in early Indo-European culture.

The Nakshatras are the basis for the Hindu reckoning of the Great ages understandings of which can differ but this is a good article with regards to examining the basis of these and their function with regards to the End of the Kali Yuga, the conclusion the author arrives at is this, and i think he's there or thereabouts with regards to the cycle commencing in conjunction with the onset of the Age of Virgo.



He notes the adjustments to create the 3,000 year epochs and it was such a periodic that is the basis of Zoroastrian tradition which of course must have been derivative of the same Nakshatra speculation, and which is considered to have been the primary influence on Judaic Apocalyptic thought from the time of Persian Babylon.

Whilst the tradition of 0 degrees Airies is based on the lunar asterisms the counterpart to this is the solar zodiac and the correspondence is Virgo at the Spring equinox due East, whereas at evening the moon would have risen directly opposite in Aires, so the concern is with both a lunar and solar tradition.

I've looked at Virgo as represented by Nisaba in the Sumerian tradition being the primary marker for the onset of the Neolithic age here, all traditions of counting and measuring were understood to have began with her, and she held in her hand the tablet upon which was written the story of the Heavens, for further considerations on this see The Tablet with Heavenly Writing



There's a great deal could be said about the symbolism of Nisaba but i want to return to the tradition of 0 degrees Aires and look at the Sumerian tradition associated with such, were that point is understood as Astral Dumuzi, the author there notes this astral role of Dumuzi in a hymn to Inanna and he notes;



Of course the fantastic calendar that he surmises must be involved here is found in the Saptarsi Calendar and it can be noted that Aires as lead star can be traced back to the 2nd millenium at least;


Taken as a whole the pictorial evidence from entitlement stones shows that the ram and ram-headed staff were regarded as high ranking
symbols from approximately 1600 BCE (which is roughly the date that entitlement stones first appear in the archaeological record).

These early depictions certainly suggest that the ram had taken its place as the lead star of heaven by the middle of the 2nd millennium


Inanna was related to the first fish of Pisces Anunitum were Venus is understood as exalted which follows on from 0 degrees Airies the asterism for which was referred to as Agru and relates to the sheep/hired man constellation.


In this astral aspect Dumuzi is referred to as Ama-usum-galanna, dragon of Heaven, it was the astral motif of Sumerian Kingship as the consort of Inanna and the origin of all star crossed lovers;



Even though 0 degrees Aires related to the lunar cycle it was also the place where the Sun was exalted and Ama-usum-galanna reconciles both lunar and solar astral symbolism;



When one takes into account the traditions it can be readily appreciated how there were great expectations for when the transition point between Aires and Pisces was at the Spring equinox around the time of the Christian era particluarly if a full half cycle of the zodiac had been completed from the time when the story written in the Heavens began and in Christian tradition of course the sign of the Heavenly King did indeed produce such, yet the story continued into Pisces the tradition for which indicates that the fish Anunitum conceived an egg which rolled along down the river Euphrates to be incubated at the other fish or swallow or dove in Mespotamian tradition, which is were we stand at present in the overall scheme of things.



In Hindu mythology the first Nakshastra is dedicated to the Ashvins;


The Ashvins in Hindu mythology, are two Vedic gods, divine twin horsemen in the Rigveda, sons of Saranyu, a goddess of the clouds and wife of Surya in his form as Vivasvant. They symbolize the shining of sunrise and sunset, appearing in the sky before the dawn in a golden chariot, bringing treasures to men and averting misfortune and sickness. They are represented as humans with head of a horse.


This must have once been a common Indo-European tradition as the same can be found in Lithuania;


Ašvieniai are divine twins in the Lithuanian mythology, identical to Latvian Dieva deli and the Baltic counterparts of Vedic Ashvins. Both names derive from the same Proto-Indo-European root for the horse Old Lithuanian ašva and Sanskrit ashva mean "horse".


So the commencement of the lunar cycle at Aires related to the harnessing of horses, which sort of makes sense...
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posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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An example of usage of numeric formula related to the 2,700 year Nakashtra period is found in The Herds of Nanna, were;


The cows are driven together in herds for him. His various types of cow number 39600. [His young cows and calves] His fattened cows] number 108000. His young bulls number 126000. The sparkling-eyed cows number 50400. The white cows number 126000. The cows for the evening meal are in four groups of five each. Such are the various types of cow of Father Nanna.

His wild cows number 180000. The …… cows are four. Their herds of cattle are seven. Their …… herdsmen are seven. There are four of those who dwell among the cows#


10,8000 will readily divide by the multiple of 2,700 to give 40 and 50,400 to give 20, but also seen there is the numeric system which Israel employed in terms of 2x1260 day or year periodic to give 2,520, people have struggled to see the rationale behind those periodics but being of the Moon cult they related to the lunar week and the tradition of the seven herdmen of Nanna, were a running multiplication gives the numerology of the seven herdsmen lends itself to 1 x 2 x 3 x 4 x 5 x 6 x 7=5,040 and were there are 10,080 minutes per week (7 x 24 x 60)

The apocalyptic mathematics of Israel then related to the numerology of Nanna of Ur and his cows and bulls, but they may have been trying to make adjustment toward the final 3,000 year periodic of the Zoroastrians which would have began earlier, it is uncertain.

In terms of the overall cycle though the evidence for 15,000 year settlement and agrarian culture is found in present day Israel with regards to Natufian culture, it is also considered that the oldest central circles of Gobekli Tepe could date back to a similar period, and those would be the people that recognized Virgo at the Spring equinox as their grain Goddess and developed the story of the Heavens credited to her.

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posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 11:06 AM
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Wow!

So if we are given a timeline for a record of a timeline and this calendar is based on 2700 year cycles + 300 years transition and this being repeated as described and given a start date of 0 Aries says so many things. Particularly, if the possessed the knowledge of this grand calendar, how long must they've been observing to note such a completion? Fascinating.



posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: Kantzveldt


When one takes into account the traditions it can be readily appreciated how there were great expectations for when the transition point between Aires and Pisces was at the Spring equinox around the time of the Christian era particluarly if a full half cycle of the zodiac had been completed from the time when the story written in the Heavens began and in Christian tradition of course the sign of the Heavenly King did indeed produce such, yet the story continued into Pisces the tradition for which indicates that the fish Anunitum conceived an egg which rolled along down the river Euphrates to be incubated at the other fish or swallow or dove in Mespotamian tradition, which is were we stand at present in the overall scheme of things.









"the great one" is enki in his abode between the rivers of euphrates and tigris at eridu, the rivers of which were formed by pisces in the sky. the square thus formed, being the i.iku or great square of pegasus, used as a heavenly template for measuring acreage on earth . it has an equivalent in egypt. enki is also the waterman, aquarius. and enki is also jesus. i'm pretty sure i got all those data points correct.



posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 11:24 AM
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Yes the pre-requisite for any of this is settlement, observation from a fixed point over an extended period, then the transmission of oral and pictorial tradition and ritual, thus that has it's likely origins around 15,000 years based on archaeological evidence and this is what later recorded tradition agrees with.

The Sumerians claimed to be aware of the time before grain or sheep in the Debate between grain and sheep;


When, upon the hill of heaven and earth, An spawned the Anuna gods, since he neither spawned nor created grain with them, and since in the Land he neither fashioned the yarn of Uttu nor pegged out the loom for Uttu -- with no sheep appearing, there were no numerous lambs, and with no goats, there were no numerous kids, the sheep did not give birth to her twin lambs, and the goat did not give birth to her triplet kids --, the Anuna, the great gods, did not even know the names Ezina-Kusu or Sheep.

There was no small grain, grain from the mountains or grain from the holy habitations. There was no cloth to wear; Uttu had not been born -- no royal turban was worn; Lord Ninĝir-su, the precious lord, had not been born;

The people of those days did not know about eating bread. They did not know about wearing clothes; they went about with naked limbs in the Land. Like sheep they ate grass with their mouths and drank water from the ditches.



They take a dim view of the earlier epoch, but of course with the coming of Virgo that saw the origins of grain and the counterpart lunar sign was the sheep Aires, from which point things were great, in the debate grain gets the marginal decision;


Dispute spoken between Sheep and Grain: Sheep is left behind and Grain comes forward -- praise be to Father Enki!




a reply to: undo

Sure Enki is 'the great one' were the rivers flow into the Persian gulf, the importance of the sign being with regards to 'the waters of life' poured from the vase, i don't think Enki counts as 'the lamb of God' though, for that see Astral Dumuzi, his son.
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posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 11:28 AM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate how long must they've been observing to note such a completion? Fascinating.


The development of the Zodiac is well understood.



The division of the ecliptic into the zodiacal signs originates in Babylonian ("Chaldean") astronomy during the first half of the 1st millennium BC, likely during Median/"Neo-Babylonian" times (7th century BC).[6] The classical zodiac is a modification of the MUL.APIN catalogue, which was compiled around 1000 BC. Some of the constellations can be traced even further back, to Bronze Age (Old Babylonian) sources,

So no one was observing at all, so as far as anyone knows, what Kantzveldt has posted here was made up long after the fact, as the age of Aries began sometime around 2000bce (experts differ), around 191,000 years after the emergence of Homo Sapiens, then any age of anything that predates human civilisation is completely erroneous



posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate
Wow!

So if we are given a timeline for a record of a timeline and this calendar is based on 2700 year cycles + 300 years transition and this being repeated as described and given a start date of 0 Aries says so many things. Particularly, if the possessed the knowledge of this grand calendar, how long must they've been observing to note such a completion? Fascinating.


fascinating? no, deadly. the precession of the equinoxes are characterized as a depopulation program based on the main religion on the planet at each new age (sign) in precession. as far back as our records go, at least the ones we are allowed to see, a main religious belief is used to govern, then at the end of that age, those of the belief are slaughtered and the cycle repeats. this depopulates wide swaths of the planet but never removes the real culprits from power. and it gives disgruntled people a target to blame for their woes. notice the fight is always focused on people groups in the population, instead of rulers

take, for example, the story of the deaths of the bull worshipers of egypt. when the age of taurus ended, the bull worshipers were slaughtered, first in egypt, and finally, in the desert during the exodus. then the age of aries the ram, the sheep herders religion (judaism), in fact it was secretly predominant in egypt, and at the end of aries, the jews were slaughtered and the remnant scattered all over the planet, thus not only destroying egypt but also israel, as the romans steamrolled their nations. then came the age of pisces the fish (christianity), and the rebooting of the fish people part of the population is currently ongoing.

that people fall for this #, every AGE of precession, is nothing short of flabbergasting.
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posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: Kantzveldt

step up the ladder a notch:

anu is heavenly father, so enki is not heavenly father.
enki is the creator god, anu is not, enlil is not.



posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 11:44 AM
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The vernal equinox around 2,000 Bc was at 30 degrees Aires, the actual point of 0 degrees or Astral Dumuzi didn't transpire until the Christian era, so there is no case for there being an historic period when that was determined as the lead star in terms of historic actuality correspondent to the vernal equinox, the tradition greatly precedes such.



posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 12:02 PM
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a reply to: Kantzveldt

i'm trying to figure out the descendancy thing, whether its figurative or literal, although astronomically metaphorical. dumuzi is a fertility god, correct? this is important information so bear with me.



posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 12:07 PM
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S&f, as always super interesting and undo is here so it should get even more interesting.
I love to read but got nothing to add, except a: WOW.



posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 12:25 PM
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well well will ya lookie here. don't tell me this is my imagination

www.britannica.com...



posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 12:28 PM
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Astral Dumuzi in this context is also related to Ningirsu, the son of Enlil in terms of syncretism.



This was also seen at Lagash were Ningirsu was related to the local version of Dumuzid namely Lugal Uru-ganu-tenu and Inanna was the consort, what this does is unite Anu, Enlil and Enki, and creates a super God




That diagram is the solution to every problem.

Th e Development of the Lagash Pantheon


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posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: Kantzveldt

did you read my link?



posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: undo

Of course that's the general take on Dumuzi, what of it...?



posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: Kantzveldt
a reply to: undo

Of course that's the general take on Dumuzi, what of it...?



he was a son of enki, also known as tammuz, a fertility god, and a variant spelling was "damu-zid"... that is adam.



posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 01:08 PM
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adam is atum is alulim is elohim

these are the first adam copies, who were not humans yet, they were copies of elohim which makes them elohim not humans, otherwise known as adam, atum, alulim. the human adam are not created until the fall narrative when the elohim copies were given procreation. before that they were copies, like clones, and were not sexual. thus the fall narrative reveals they were suddenly procreative with all the associated hormones and had physiological reactions to each other's nudity. before that, naked meant nothing.

anyway, tammuz as a god, is just a reference to the first adam / elohim copies. created by enki, using the real elohim/atum/alulim as templates.
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posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: Rosinitiate how long must they've been observing to note such a completion? Fascinating.



So no one was observing at all, so as far as anyone knows, what Kantzveldt has posted here was made up long after the fact, as the age of Aries began sometime around 2000bce (experts differ), around 191,000 years after the emergence of Homo Sapiens, then any age of anything that predates human civilisation is completely erroneous


Oh well that's a relief, the thought of our ancient ancestors making observations would be life shattering for me. Dodged a bullet on that one!



posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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Oh well that's a relief, the thought of our ancient ancestors making observations would be life shattering for me. Dodged a bullet on that one!


Yeah, its almost as if, in the ages before civilisation and the arts, they were all doing something else like subsistence survival.




adam is atum is alulim is elohim


Still preaching the sci fi then

the word Adam didn't exist until 2500bce and it meant "living in the steppe, steppe-dweller".
psd.museum.upenn.edu...




posted on Oct, 6 2015 @ 01:43 PM
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Omg this is high class porn!!



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