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originally posted by: woodwardjnr
a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys
I don't really see your point. It's got nothing to do with medical drugs, every country has medical mental health issues. This issue has nothing to do with school shootings absolutely nothing. I wish people would stop using this red herring
originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Kryties
It's a mind-set thing. My American friends I stay with when over there like their guns, they have grown up with them and look at me as a weirdo when I tell them I have never owned one, only shot one a few times at a firing range and that I have no desire to own one.
That is the difference in my opinion - that and the 2nd amendment. Now, those same yank friends are very particular about gun etiquette - very particular, and that goes hand-in-hand with their mind-set about rights to own guns.
I have no problem with that, after all, I could go out tomorrow and fill-in the necessary paperwork and I too would own a gun (or 2) soon thereafter - after a background check.
So, when it comes to US citizens, their mindset is completely different because they desire gun ownership, lots of other people do not.
What needs to happen in the US, again in my opinion, is a control mechanism to RESTRICT that ownership, because with every mass shooting in the US eventually comes the fact that other contributing factors were at play - like the shooter being drugged-up or socially ostracized or radicalized - now, those issues would not stop a mental case from harming someone, if they didn't have a gun, it would be a "how to make a bomb" or something else.
This is where background checks and if necessary psyche evaluations occur (and not evaluations by those with ulterior motives, but professional 3rd party shrinks who will be objective).
After Port Arthur the nation was shocked and the buy-back scheme was very well received and successful - that was an Australian MIND-SET thing, and when the Monash Uni shooting occurred, the government further reinforced and restricted gun ownership with neary a bleep from Joe Public - because of our mindset.
Anyway, Americans do indeed need to reflect on these incidents and until they collectively WANT to change, it is a sad fact that these shooting will continue - perpetrated mainly by a very very select demographic of their society - namely 16-26 year old white males with a history or either mental instability (with or without the assistance of psychotropic pharmaceuticals) or social ostracization or both.
These are my observations as a non-US citizen who regularly travels there and has many friends who are US citizens and gun owners.
originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Kryties
Then your whole argument is ridiculous, any gun can kill just the same sorry, "high powered" ignorant. The guns available are semi automatic, there are restrictions in place and it's not going to go further. No one is going to take any Americans guns.
The guy would of killed with a 9mm, the guy would of made bombs, the guy would of stabbed ect. If you are hell bent on killing you will, for us we will address this in another way( social and psychological conditions) and the world can go pound sand, and shake their pretentious heads and make asinine comments. We don't give a # what you think,
“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.”