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Politics in the USA should shackle and condemn GUN onwers as TERRORISTS

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posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: projectbane

You forgot to mention that the latest shooting sprees have been cowardly muslims going into gun free zones to do their killings. Only a terrorist would want all the guns taken away. Your argument is invalid




posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: crazyewok

Well since you want to play 'what if' scenarios.

I wonder what would have happened on 9-11 on those 3 planes had a few of those passengers been armed.

We know WHAT HAPPENED.

Planes can be taken down with box cutters.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 01:28 PM
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Well it's a good OP and brings up some good points but let's look at it logically.

How would banning guns in the US work? What if we all voted for it and our government enacted a nationwide Gun ban, what would that really look like?

1. Would current gun owners be grandfathered in?
2. What would happen to all the Gun stores? Out of business? Would the government buy their stock?
3. What would the new laws/penalties be for having a gun? Would our prison population balloon suddenly and could it stand that type of stress?
4. Would there be a national raid on all homes with known guns to confiscate them? How much death would happen, how many civilians and police officers would die? How much would THAT cost the US government?
5. We're talking about changing the constitution with a new amendment. How exactly would that be worded?
6. The Meme-only outlaws would have guns if guns were outlawed would be true then.
7. More so, what are the real statistics on strict gun laws. Is crime actually reduced? Don't just throw out Chicago, because New York has strict gun laws but much less gun violence. What is the real reason?



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: projectbane

A LITTLE BIT OF GUN HISTORY..........
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control:
From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control: From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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Germany established
gun control in 1938: From 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and
others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and
exterminated.
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China established
gun control in 1935: From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964: From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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Uganda
established gun control in 1970: From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956: From 1975 to 1977, one
million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up
and exterminated.
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56 million defenseless people were rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control!
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You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information. Guns in the hands of honest citizens
save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only
the law-abiding citizens.
With guns, we are 'citizens'; without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WW II, the Japanese decided not to invade America because they
knew most Americans were ARMED! Gun owners in the USA are the largest
armed forces in the world!
If you value your freedom, please spread this anti gun-control message to all of your friends.

The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in
defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more
important than either.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES A GUN TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT ISSUES AND TRAINS EVERY ADULT IN THE USE OF A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
I'm a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment! If you are too, please forward this.

If you’re not a believer, please reconsider the true facts. This is
history; not the BS that's being shown on TV, sanctioned by our
illustrious leaders in Washington.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 01:42 PM
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a reply to: projectbane

OP do you judge all muslims by the actions of a few lunatics?



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: projectbane

OP do you judge all muslims by the actions of a few lunatics?


I would be willing to bet that if you searched his posts on ats that not only does he not. Good chance he has made a statement that doing so is wrong. The op wrote this to troll and nothing more.

We all know that confiscation won't happen without mass gun death and a constitutional change.. Also know laws don't prevent crime. Those are facts. Get over them. I find it funny that education is always the push for any problem but this one.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: projectbane

That was the most ridiculous, ill-thought OP I have ever read, on any site. That's no exaggeration. I'm assuming, based on your struggles with English, that you're probably not from the US, but you don't have to be a citizen under the Bill of Rights to understand basic logic. Further, it is painfully obvious that the problem isn't guns - especially when this whole shooting spree thing isn't happening more where there's higher gun-ownership densities, or in the past in the US when guns were often kept on the mantle, or propped up by the front door (more readily accessible.)

I suppose you also want to consider people who own muriatic acid for their swimming pools terrorists (after all, they could easily dump it over a crowd of children.

People who own motor vehicles (known to kill significantly more people than guns when used improperly) should have their heads chopped off.

People with baseball bats: hang 'em. Kitchen knives in the house? Lethal Injection. Cling Wrap in the kitchen drawer? It's invisible, silent, and can be used to suffocate innocents - inject them with polonium. Steel-toed boots? Obviously members of ISIS, out to kill innocents. Screw the trial, straight to the electric chair!



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: projectbane
Kudos OP on giving us a glimpse to your lonely and narrow minded world.
I kind of feel bad for you with all of your obvious pent up frustration and alienation.

Tell you what, in an effort to cheer you up and bring you back into the fellowship of the world, I'll show you my gun.
We can hang out and shoot it.
I'll even let you hold an apple on your head to show off my aiming skills.

Ultimately, kudos to this amazing troll fishing day.
If great responses are trophy fish, you could print out a lot of these and habg them on your wall.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 02:19 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: projectbane

OP do you judge all muslims by the actions of a few lunatics?




Prolly not.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: tnitgirl


So, do you have a source for that obvious cut and paste
(i.e. 'theblacksphere.net') or are you content with plagiarism?

This is why the gun nuts win


This is also why Mike Huckabee went with the baldly ridiculous route of saying, ““Seven hundred people a year get killed because somebody beats them up with their fist,” as if that’s comparable to the 11,000 people who are murdered by guns a year. The point of this rhetoric is to distract from the fact that guns were invented for the sole purpose of killing. Instead, Huckabee is invoking the framework where the gun is actually a symbol of all that conservatives hold dear instead of what they really are, which is weapons that have no use outside of being weapons.

Squaring the emotional attachment to firearms with the real world fact that guns are weapons that kill innocent people causes too much cognitive dissonance, and so the pleasant fantasy is chosen over the hard reality. For gun victims, however, there is no fantasy, but just the gruesome fact that guns are weapons that can deal death with a minimum amount of effort from aspiring murderers.


Our very own beloved Neo used the same sort of argument as Mike Huckabee with his graphic comparing guns to hammers.

The world is changing and you don't like losing control. We get that.



The Hitler gun control lie


The 1938 law signed by Hitler that LaPierre mentions in his book basically does the opposite of what he says it did. “The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition,” Harcourt wrote. Meanwhile, many more categories of people, including Nazi party members, were exempted from gun ownership regulations altogether, while the legal age of purchase was lowered from 20 to 18, and permit lengths were extended from one year to three years.

The law did prohibit Jews and other persecuted classes from owning guns, but this should not be an indictment of gun control in general. Does the fact that Nazis forced Jews into horrendous ghettos indict urban planning? Should we eliminate all police officers because the Nazis used police officers to oppress and kill the Jews? What about public works — Hitler loved public works projects? Of course not. These are merely implements that can be used for good or ill, much as gun advocates like to argue about guns themselves. If guns don’t kill people, then neither does gun control cause genocide (genocidal regimes cause genocide).


Our beloved Neo has also tried this argument, as have other conservatives.




He continued: “Their assertion that they need these guns to protect themselves from the government — as supposedly the Jews would have done against the Hitler regime — means not only that they are innocent of any knowledge and understanding of the past, but also that they are consciously or not imbued with the type of fascist or Bolshevik thinking that they can turn against a democratically elected government, indeed turn their guns on it, just because they don’t like its policies, its ideology, or the color, race and origin of its leaders.”


Hmm, makes one think, doesn't it. I can't say I'm surprised at the rabid and knee-jerk responses from a position of ignorance and understanding.



“Wretched, disgusting commie leftists”


There are verifiable collusions that promote violence in the United States — the financial ties between gun manufacturers and the NRA; the gun lobby’s role in dismantling state and local gun laws — but those are of no concern to denialists and conspiraphiles. Only fantastical tales of socialist/atheist/Islamofascist gun-grabbers, who start by disarming the populace and end by locking you in a FEMA camp, need be entertained.

In this context of deliberate misinformation and disbelief, we can’t even get to a debate about effective policy points because we’ve first got to overcome denialism about basic facts. NAGV recently posted a photo of a sign on an Omaha street advertising a lost AR-15 rifle. The photo was picked up by a national gun reform group, and commenters insisted it was a fake, even as Omaha residents confirmed they had seen it. Presumably some people think it’s preposterous that in a state where almost anyone can own an AR-15 there might be bad apples among those who own one. But if there aren’t really bad guys with guns out there, why do so many people need to arm themselves against them?


Again, unveiling the methods of the Right and their manipulation of the media to portray themselves as victims.

In the words of Stephen Colbert, you need to "stop pretending."

edit on 5-10-2015 by aorAki because: formatting and speelink



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 03:12 PM
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a reply to: aorAki

Pretty simple, if guns scare you don't have one. Anything else you say is pretty irrelevant because confiscation will not happen without a change to the constitution and mass gun death, and laws do not prevent crime and are not intended to. You see this as an issue you want to solve, be realistic. That education push we love in this country and so on.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 03:14 PM
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When you title your link "why the gun nuts win", you stand revealed as hardly less partisan then you accuse other members of being. Why is your opinion any less biased?

You seem to be in favor of me, and several million other Americans, should have our freedoms, or one of 'em anyway, taken away in some misbegotten attempt to "keep us all safe".

Is that what you're saying?



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: seagull

The words "why the gun nuts win" were in the title of the link. Thanks for reading it.

I guess you're content with people having their lives taken away? It's apparent that you haven't even read the links, given the quick nature of your reply. They answer the question you asked of me.

I try to understand your culture and society, but it's obvious to me it's sick and exhibiting the psychopathy of an empire in decline.

Please don't take us down with you.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: aorAki
a reply to: seagull

The words "why the gun nuts win" were in the title of the link. Thanks for reading it.

I guess you're content with people having their lives taken away? It's apparent that you haven't even read the links, given the quick nature of your reply. They answer the question you asked of me.

I try to understand your culture and society, but it's obvious to me it's sick and exhibiting the psychopathy of an empire in decline.

Please don't take us down with you.


That's funny. Anyone who understands that laws don't prevent crime and confiscation won't happen are content with people losing lives? Is that like when did you stop beating your significant other type question?

You people are a riot. I understand that logic and reality escape you, when you are very emotional about something. Until you use those tools though you are part of the problem. Throw out some doable solutions and the average person will be open to what's being said.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 03:34 PM
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Who should we believe?

Nazi Weapons Law of November 11, 1938


Jews (§ 5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt 1, p. 1332) are prohibited from acquiring, Possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons. Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority.




Gun legislation in Germany


The 1938 German Weapons Act, the precursor of the current weapons law, superseded the 1928 law. As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. But under the new law:

Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition. The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as was the possession of ammunition."[5]

The legal age at which guns could be purchased was lowered from 20 to 18.[6]

Permits were valid for three years, rather than one year.[6]

The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.[5]

Manufacture of arms and ammunition continued to require a permit, with the revision that such permits would no longer be issued to Jews or any company part-owned by Jews. Jews were consequently forbidden from the manufacturing or dealing of firearms and ammunition.[5]


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posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 03:53 PM
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You obviously didn't read the link I supplied that said that the 1938 German Weapons Act was not the reason Jews were exterminated. Even if they had been armed they would have had no chance against the military.

It's also obvious that due to a violent culture and easy access to firearms, people are dying.

Some doable solutions would be appropriate education for firearms handling, effective and efficient screening of firearms purchasers/owners and amending the 2nd Ammendment.
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posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: crazyewok

Well since you want to play 'what if' scenarios.

I wonder what would have happened on 9-11 on those 3 planes had a few of those passengers been armed.

We know WHAT HAPPENED.

Planes can be taken down with box cutters.

Or you would of ended up with a gun fight on a plane and the plane would of blown up anyway.

And then after you would get paranoid hicks starting gun fights on a plane every time a muslim sneezed.

Sorry would rather have only trained marshals with weapons on planes.

Plus you will NEVER get your fantasy anyway as no airline carrier would ever agree to you insane views let alone countrys letting a plane over there country with armed passengers.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: crazyewok

So...no AK in the BL4 lab?
YOU'RE no fun...


No freaking way.

You cant even take a staple gun in to a BL-3 lab, no joke. Its a pain in the arse.


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posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 04:18 PM
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Or you would of ended up with a gun fight on a plane and the plane would of blown up anyway.


Don't watch so many American movies please.



posted on Oct, 5 2015 @ 04:23 PM
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Ok slick. What's the solution? Realize confiscation will not happen, laws do not and are not intended to prevent crime, and any law would not apply to the large black market, what's your suggestions???

Seriously, I could make a phone call for a joint, make a phone call for an untraceable gun, and a call for a pizza. I can't tell you what would arrive first. Though I choose not to make any of those calls, I easily could.

What are your solutions????



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