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Politics in the USA should shackle and condemn GUN onwers as TERRORISTS

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posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:40 AM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: projectbane

When one is hunting for food, what the hell does fair have to do with anything?

...and since I don't hunt for fun, fair doesn't apply.


Hmmmm ok fair point but it's no different for prey and predator then. In all walks of life.

When they come for your guns you will be the prey...The GOV doesn't need to be fair. You vote them in as a country you will perish as a country....IS that fair?

You will ultimately end up as food. Terrorism under the patriot act is vague and gun owners fall into it.


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edit on 4/10/2015 by Sauron because: [url=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1006705/pg1]About The Political Mud-Pit[/ulr]




posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

It's impossible to say what would have happened had this monster not had access to guns. Would he have brought knives and axes? Or taken a bit more time and made a fertilizer bomb?

It's a moot argument.

We need to deal with what is.

What is, is there is an issue facing us. What causes these young men to do these things?

The premise of this thread is, quite obviously, not the answer. The answer lies somewhere else.


WRONG not a mute point.

Taking away guns is the safest option for EVERYONE.

Why do you think they take away your driving license if you drink drive or persist too? Because you are a danger.

Taking guns from the public after ALL these shooting is just sensible.



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:44 AM
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So people who live in the backwoods, and Alaska, who own long arm,s to hunt to put meat on the table for the summer and the winter, to feed themselves and their families, are terrorists? Really? Enjoy your beef that is fed crap, never sees real grass, lives in a s++t hole, and is mechanically murdered?



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: projectbane

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

It's impossible to say what would have happened had this monster not had access to guns. Would he have brought knives and axes? Or taken a bit more time and made a fertilizer bomb?

It's a moot argument.

We need to deal with what is.

What is, is there is an issue facing us. What causes these young men to do these things?

The premise of this thread is, quite obviously, not the answer. The answer lies somewhere else.


WRONG not a mute point.

Taking away guns is the safest option for EVERYONE.

Why do you think they take away your driving license if you drink drive or persist too? Because you are a danger.

Taking guns from the public after ALL these shooting is just sensible.


So shouldn't we take away everyone's driver's license and their car because a small percentage are drunk drivers? That's exactly what you're suggesting for gun owners.



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: seagull

I'd definitely rather be shot than stabbed. Instant death or slow bleeding out? I'll take the former.


Point is, none of these mass shootings would have had such a high number of dead victims, if the shooter had a knife, instead of a gun.

Just ask that army vet who coped 7 bullets, after charging the shooter in this most recent mass shooting, just ask him if he wishes the shooter had a knife instead of a semi-automatic firearm... I guarantee you he would have been able to put a stop to it right there, if it was a knife, rather than a gun.



Ever hear of the 21 foot rule? It goes something like this.

Me... Knife

You... Gun

Distance... < 21 feet

= You dead...


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Ever heard of that you all have guns and love them because its drilled into your culture.....


The rest of the civilized world NO guns accessed anywhere as easily and culture not moronic...

US gun culture bred from young....Massive amount of morons with guns KILLING KIDS.....


TERRORISTS



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:45 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: johnwick


But the UK has much more violent crimethan Indiana, and many more murders.


True, but the UK have a population of 60 million, where as Indiana only has a population 6.5 million.

Plus, Indiana doesn't have anywhere near the population density of the UK... So Indiana really has no logical excuse for why there gun murder rate is so high. Obviously the murder rate is so high in Indiana purely because of there lax gun laws.

By all rights, a state like Indiana should have an 'overall' murder rate of under 1.5 per 100,000 people like the UK & Australia. But instead Indiana has an overall murder rate of 3.1 per 100,000 people. Clearly, your murder rate is only so abnormally high because of the lax gun laws.

You can tell me to get stuffed and tell me you want your right to own guns without restrictions, no matter what. It is your right, mate.

But don't pretend lax gun rights don't create a whole lot of senseless murders... Because that is just a straight out lie.


I don't think they do, in fact right here in Indiana, I can drive about 3 hours and be in Chicago, they have super strict gun laws, Chicago gets more murders a year than the entire state of Indiana.

I don't see how you concluded we should have 1/2 the murder rate we do, this is America, we all talk too much #, we all think we are 12 feet tall, we all have a oppinion on just about everything you could name.

In short, the US is a wild and relatively violent populous, that glorifies violence at all levels, I'm surprised it isn't higher.

Even our women like to watch UFC and football, hell our women fight.

Sorry we aren't the tea and crumpits crowd you are confusing US with.

We are tannerite using, shotgun toting, beer drinking, cussing, fighting, rodeo riding and monster truck crowd.

I would expect our murder rate to be higher than the pansies in France every day of the week for ever.


That's what comes of being the descendants of Europe's malcontents and castaways. We are the children of their damned and pretty proud of it.


MERICA!!!!!




posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: projectbane

Not really.

Do you even understand what the point of the 2nd Amendment is?

If we are disarmed as a populace, do you know who the only armed agents would represent?

And whose mercy would we be at then?



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:47 AM
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posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: projectbane

Not really.

Do you even understand what the point of the 2nd Amendment is?

If we are disarmed as a populace, do you know who the only armed agents would represent?

And whose mercy would we be at then?



I understand...I really do.
And that is NOT what I wanted a few years ago.


BUT when children are being killed almost every month....then gun owners are NOT responsible enough. You have to take away their access to the thing they USE to kill people!!

AS they have been unwilling to talk properly and represented by the NRA....then my call is to outcast them and force them at all cost. 390000000 populas.....take that down to 150000000.



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: projectbane

originally posted by: 5thNovember
a reply to: projectbane

Mr. Bane,
Allow me to introduce myself, I am deliverance. Care to take your post a step further and post your whereabouts? I make house calls.


You live in your mothers basement..stroking my little ponies hair and viewing child porn?

But yeah..I live in Chicago!! Humbolt Park

Having a guy from ATS threaten me.....child!!


I starred you, I just about died laughing



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:51 AM
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originally posted by: StallionDuck
a reply to: Subaeruginosa

Sorry man, that is a realistic fact. It's been tried and found true. Ask any police officer. For the time it takes that officer to unholster his weapon, point and pull, that person with the knife is already on top of you. Consider that the officer already has that gun at his side and expects such possibilities. You or I as a civilian with a holster does not maintain that mentality and I believe it would take even longer to draw down.

...unless you're John Wayne, of course





OH nice an American production????

Not a great way to back up your point.......it is like saying lets police the world... AND all the US police killing civilians.



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: alkalisunshine
what about women who cc for protection of not only their body (it's their right not to be raped) but also their young children's?


ARE you like a banned person who just happened to fins a way around the system.

Your point is not valid. YOUR culture and gun loving is the problem.

IT is like india....RAPE is like a sport. culture and the people are primitive. Bred into them by parents and society.

Change is needed. GUNS MUST GO



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:56 AM
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a reply to: [post=19885766]Cygnis[/post




I like how you mention "Only developed country where mass shootings regularly occur".. Your forgetting that people, for the most part, are still animals.


YOU should argue for me!! Exactly...GIVE animals GUNS? thank you for assisting my argument!!

WOW



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: projectbane


OH nice an American production????

Not a great way to back up your point.......it is like saying lets police the world... AND all the US police killing civilians.



OK, this is getting better and better. So now, the people you want to enforce this action against law-abiding gun owners are the bad guys, too!



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: projectbane

originally posted by: 5thNovember
a reply to: projectbane

Mr. Bane,
Allow me to introduce myself, I am deliverance. Care to take your post a step further and post your whereabouts? I make house calls.


You live in your mothers basement..stroking my little ponies hair and viewing child porn?

But yeah..I live in Chicago!! Humbolt Park

Having a guy from ATS threaten me.....child!!


I starred you, I just about died laughing


This whole post is a hilarious piss take.

For once I actually want neo to show up and inflame things

edit on 4-10-2015 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: projectbane

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: projectbane

Not really.

Do you even understand what the point of the 2nd Amendment is?

If we are disarmed as a populace, do you know who the only armed agents would represent?

And whose mercy would we be at then?



I understand...I really do.
And that is NOT what I wanted a few years ago.


BUT when children are being killed almost every month....then gun owners are NOT responsible enough. You have to take away their access to the thing they USE to kill people!!

AS they have been unwilling to talk properly and represented by the NRA....then my call is to outcast them and force them at all cost. 390000000 populas.....take that down to 150000000.


OK, you are obviously trolling are worse being serious, at which point I say seek help!!!

Because killing a couple hundred million folks to stop a couple hundred from dying is well.... It is sick man, real psycho stuff!!!

Your main problem seems to be your fixation with guns.

Start there, and see if the rest of you psychotic thoughts don't tamper down a bit.

Because you are so fixated with stopping a couple hundred deaths, you just litteraly said killing a couple hundred million to accomplish this is worth it... This means you arent concerned about the death, because you intent to inflict many times greater killings, you are fixated on the fact a " gun" was used.

And stopping a gun from killing us worth killing many factors more than the gun can kill......

Do you see what i'm saying here man?



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 09:58 AM
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a reply to: projectbane

So, since we have established that I am not a gun owning yank, and because you did not answer my question, I'll ask it again since I see you are back online here.........

Why do you think I support the right for Americans to own guns?

(Hint: document starting with the letter C)

BTW, your comment earlier about respecting my background has been placed in my "tell someone who gives a ship" folder.
edit on 4-10-2015 by Sublimecraft because: meh, forget it



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: projectbane

People don't fight for their rights because the majority of the population are content with what they have. The majority is content with television and other forms of entertainment. The majority has been made stupid, blind, and lazy. And the people on this site are here only to debate. All words, no action. But there needs to be action.



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 10:00 AM
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originally posted by: projectbane
This thread is going to wind up a lot of really "special" people on this site and I'm glad for it.

These MASS MURDER shooting in the US have now become a normality and are constantly defended by Gun toting TERRORISTS.

Your "right" (and I laugh at that) to have guns is defunkt. Once upon a time it was maybe warranted.

I FULLY believe that the government should make GUN ownership a higher political agenda.

As americans have been brainwashed into thinking that the threats to them as citizen are from abroad they are wrong.

The TERRORISTS and I use that word as forcefully as I can are the GUN OWNERS of today in the US. Each and everyone of you are deluded and not fit for purpose. The sooner YOU are all labelled as terrorists the better.

In fact as these type sites are monitored by various agencies all the more better that they can read that THEY have support from many people to take the GUNS fro US citizens hands IMMEDIATELY and by FORCE.

Fail to comply and government bill should be introduced that also labels your families and children as Terrorists. You people have never used the 2nd amendment for what it was written for and that is because you are COWARDS deep down.

Ill take some tackling for this thread BUT I just don't care at all.

Have a great day!!


YOUR day has come and the political movement in the US needs to focus more on your growing problem of people with guns. Police can not do their jobs properly because everyone has a damn gun so being human and self preservative they have now resorted to killing citizens when 20 years ago talking and patience might of prevailed.

IF you own GUNS you are a TERRORIST





I'm guessing you're from England and are still pissed off about getting your butts kicked a few hundred years ago by the American terrorists then. Having the ability to defend oneself has always stuck in the craw of would be tyrants. Willingly your country and Australia buckled to progressive pc pressures and are now mostly defenseless at a personal level. No matter how our 2nd amendment is demonized, I think our freedoms will prevail.
The real terrorists are running our country and you want the people to surrender their guns ? Having gun free zones where crazies can slaughter children is not the answer. You are the terrorist, when you suggest people should allow their government to disarm them !



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: projectbane

bicycles kill more kids than guns, there for if you own a bicycle you are a terrorist

these mass shootings are happening at schools there for schools should be banned as they are a gathering place for terrorist.
get a life



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