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The Elephant in the Room Deception: Syrian war “Moderate” allies

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posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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Indeed what I call: the elephant in the room deception in Syria (that the US is directly supporting so called terrorist AL Qaeda) is NEVER reported in any mainstream US news outlet…they always refer to the opposition to Assad as “opposition groups” or moderate FSA forces THAT DO NOT EVEN EXIST!

They have trained 5 fighters to take part in this “ army” of moderates!

This should be heralded from the lips of our politicians and reported in the MSM but it isn’t.

All we need to expose this plot is just one mainstream Truth Teller can do the Job

The only mainstream politician who use to refer to this somewhat was Rand Paul but he has, while running for president, RAN( pun intended) from these truths like a rabbit from a fox.

Indeed he or she would be the very opposite of a neocon war mongering puppet like John McCain and be a Putin of the USA who will finally tell the American people all about the war on terrorism being a fraud in that the USA is supporting Al Qaeda in Syria, who according to them were responsible for the 3000 deaths of Americans on 911.

The fact is we have NOT one mainstream truth teller who would expose the Obama fake war on terror and that they have been supporting Al Qaeda in Syria just so they can dethrone Assad.

Wasn’t Al Qaeda a terrorist enemy?

Maybe just maybe the outsider Trump might take on this mantle and tell the American people the truth but he like Hillary is too close to the neocon Zionists as also is Bernie Sanders. From those two democrats all you’ll get is lefty politics NEVER truth about the plot of the MSM and Obama’s white house and NATO to deceive the American people through THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM DECEPTION:

ALL the evidence is that THERE IS NO SYRIAN MODERATE OPPOSITION!

And ALL the opposition is either Al Qaeda based or ISIS

And every time they give weapons to the “moderates” in Syria they promptly go and give these weapons to Al Qaeda or ISIS fighters.

WE ALL KNOW THIS AND EVEYBODY IN THE WORLD KNOWS IT BUT STILL THEY INSIST ON HELPING THESE TERRORISTS!

Jesse Ventura tells the truth but he is no longer in the mainstream. The Left wing MSM, controlled by MSM corporate Zionists won’t utter the truth, such as on MSNBC, or any of the blogs: Salon…Huffington post…Daily Beast. And certainly not any of the conservative MSM such as Fox, or Politico will ever tell the truth…so all we have is alternative media such as below.
This is an amazing phenomenon THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM DECEPTION.

It’s like their lying before our eyes and getting away with it

Only the great reporter Seymour Hersh amongst the somewhat mainstream has been reporting any thing resembling truth

Below is the Webster Tarpley blob



A new era in international politics is emerging as Russia comes into the Middle East theater for the first time in decades. For the second day in a row, Russian jets struck terrorist targets in northwest Syria, hitting the areas of Jisr al-Shughour and Jabal al-Zawiya. These two areas have been under the control of Jaish al-Fatah, the Army of Conquest, which includes factions of al-Nusra and is thus a wing of al-Qaeda. The Syrian Al-Fatah is technically on the US list of terrorist organizations, yet it is being supported by Turkey and Qatar, allegedly members of the US led anti-ISIS coalition1. The message of the NATO nations now appears to be that all attacks against ISIS are acceptable, but all attacks against al-Qaeda are abhorrent. The idea of the US shielding al-Qaeda will undoubtedly come as a surprise to the three thousand US victim’s families who have been made to believe that al-Qaeda was responsible for the attacks of 9/11.




However, rather than applaud actions taken against Al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria, Western governments and media outlets whined that Russia was not only attacking ISIS but also the so-called moderate terrorist rebels. Regarding a Russian strike in Homs, a traditional haunt of the terrorist band known as the Free Syrian Army, an anonymous French diplomatic source told Reuters: “It is not Daesh (Islamic State) that they are targeting, but probably opposition groups, which confirms that they are more in support of Bashar’s regime than in fighting Daesh.” French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius also complained that Russia must stop its support for Assad, that Assad must step down, and that Russia was ambiguous about whom they were fighting in Syria. These flippant remarks by Fabius were directly castigated by Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moualem, who rightly said: “What we have heard from the representative of France today clearly shows the true role played by France with regards to supporting terrorism.”[4] France is making trouble in order to secure a bigger slice of the concessions pie.




The crazed booster of terrorists in Syria, John McCain, has been foaming at the mouth after the latest Russian air strikes, claiming they have killed the so-called moderate terrorist rebels of the “Free Syrian Army.” McCain told CNN:“Their initial strikes were against the individuals and groups that have been funded and trained by our CIA in an incredible flaunting of any kind of cooperation or effort to conceal what Putin’s first priority is, and that is of course to prop up Bashar al-Assad…I can absolutely confirm to you that they were strikes against the Free Syrian Army or groups that have been armed and trained by the CIA because we have communication with people there…this is an Orwellian experience.”2

tarpley.net...
John McCain is the very face of this ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM DECEPTION operation. He yells and reinforces the lies the loudest trying to inflame the American people to start another ME war for Israel and the neocon war of destabilization and conquest.

Putin, a foreigner is the only one fighting this mass deception.

Obama, our president, is sitting on the sidelines letting the PTB play their games to the detriment of the American people’s interests by supporting


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posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 03:31 PM
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THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM DECEPTION II

For a glimpse of an example of MSM lies and deception regarding the moderates in Syria, read this Daily Beast deceptive article about Americas Syrian allies where the Russians bombs fell on…a few hundred of them where the writer can’t even name who they are but their right along side Al Qaeda fighters

www.thedailybeast.com...



The rebels attacked by Russian forces on Wednesday and Thursday were in western Syria, alongside al Qaeda affiliates and far from any ISIS positions. That suggests the rebels were not there to fight the self-proclaimed Islamic State, as the Obama administration called the top priority. Instead, they were battling the Assad regime as part of a still-active CIA program for rebels which has run in tandem with the disastrous and now-defunct train and equip Pentagon program.




The CIA-trained fighters were located alongside members of Jabhat al Nusra, an al Qaeda affiliate and a longstanding enemy of the U.S. (Members of a veteran al Qaeda unit called the Khorasan Group were living with al Nusra fighters last year and plotting ways to sneak explosives onto airplanes, U.S. intelligence officials have said.)


Not one time in this deceptive MSM article was the CIA trained troops identified as Al Qaeda affiliates when they obviously were.

This is prima facie proof of

Elephant in the room deception in operation



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posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 04:30 PM
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Not to mention Treason. Our troops have been fighting these terrorists for 15 years. They are giving aid and comfort to our enemy. Of course there will probably be a lot of people try and defend this administration for their actions. Obama has been right there with the Pentagon making these decisions. He tries to put it off on the Pentagon, but he is the commander in chief and mentioned in his speech today going over all of this with the Pentagon. It is not just the neocons. It is all of them.



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posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 04:43 PM
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I can't agree totally with you on this for pretty much the same reason, that being a dearth of information all round.
BBC's 'Hardtalk' programme these last evenings might have had a go at it, but the main thrust was about reporters in danger, in any case I missed it so far...but any clue is something, I'll catch it sometime. That's possibly the problem these days, reporters on the ground are becoming main targets themselves, rather than collateral victims.



posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 05:05 PM
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I am not going bother to explain the complexity of the many sides to the Syrian civil war again. Suffice to say their are dozens of groups all fighting each other. On occasion they work together against a more powerful foe in an are. So you might find the FSA and Al Quida fighting ISIS in one spot, the Kurds and Al Nusra front fighting ISIS in another, while Kurds and FSA are fighting Al Nusra and ISIS in another, while the FSA and a local militia are fighting Assads forces in another, while Assads forces and local militias are fighting Kurds in another, while ISIS and Al Quida are fighting Assads forces in another, while Assads air force are bombing in support of ISIS against the FSA in another, while the Druze are fighting ISIS in another, while the Druze are fighting Assad in another in support of ISIS, while you will also find Turkish backed Turkestan Islamic Movement fighting ISIS and Assad and the US back Kurds etc. etc. Who is fighting who is often based on what is going on in the local area. The one thing all the groups have in common is taking out Assad. The real fear is with Russia backing Assad all these rebel groups might stop fighting and join in taking Assad and the Russians out. And that when that happens the Syrian Army and all its weapons will fall into different rebel factions and new more intense civil war will break out.

For the West the ideal is that all the rebels beyond AlQuida, Al Nusra and ISIS join together combined with Assads defecting Army take out ISIS and Assad and then somehow keep from fighting among themselves. Also it is important to keep in mind that local groups take certain names for recruiting purposes. For example ISIS once called itself AlQuida in Iraq although it never had any real connections with the real AlQuida, the same with Al Quida in Syria who are just a radical group using the name. Trying to understand the sides in the Syrian civil war is beyond complex.



posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell

Wasn’t Al Qaeda a terrorist enemy?



NO, it wasn't ... it's always been a deception.

The most-likely-truth about Al Qaida and Osama bin Ladin, is that after the US gave aid to the mujahedeen to win in Afghanistan, they wanted to acquire their aid in the middle east. Osama bin Ladin denied, and thus was labelled an enemy by the US, and targetted as they knew that with him out of the way and his closest allies. They'd have control over a vast middle east militia, they could use for the purpose of destroying all those unacceptable regimes in the middle east. The US probably already had top ranking people within Al Qaida at this time.

The "11 arabs, armed with box cutters hijacked aeroplanes and flew them into the towers. Coordinated by a sick man, who was living in a cave in Afghanistan. Who was so adept, that he managed to do his deed on the one day when there was a total stand down in US armed aviation. Despite it's guarantee for 10 minute scramble time, with 24/7 online war time jets to guard the UN - and not to mention, the Pentagon itself." - Now, that's a conspiracy theory if I ever heard one.

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posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 05:54 PM
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originally posted by: MrSpad
I am not going bother to explain the complexity of the many sides to the Syrian civil war again. Suffice to say their are dozens of groups all fighting each other. On occasion they work together against a more powerful foe in an are. So you might find the FSA and Al Quida fighting ISIS in one spot, the Kurds and Al Nusra front fighting ISIS in another, while Kurds and FSA are fighting Al Nusra and ISIS in another, while the FSA and a local militia are fighting Assads forces in another, while Assads forces and local militias are fighting Kurds in another, while ISIS and Al Quida are fighting Assads forces in another, while Assads air force are bombing in support of ISIS against the FSA in another, while the Druze are fighting ISIS in another, while the Druze are fighting Assad in another in support of ISIS, while you will also find Turkish backed Turkestan Islamic Movement fighting ISIS and Assad and the US back Kurds etc. etc. Who is fighting who is often based on what is going on in the local area. The one thing all the groups have in common is taking out Assad. The real fear is with Russia backing Assad all these rebel groups might stop fighting and join in taking Assad and the Russians out. And that when that happens the Syrian Army and all its weapons will fall into different rebel factions and new more intense civil war will break out.

For the West the ideal is that all the rebels beyond AlQuida, Al Nusra and ISIS join together combined with Assads defecting Army take out ISIS and Assad and then somehow keep from fighting among themselves. Also it is important to keep in mind that local groups take certain names for recruiting purposes. For example ISIS once called itself AlQuida in Iraq although it never had any real connections with the real AlQuida, the same with Al Quida in Syria who are just a radical group using the name. Trying to understand the sides in the Syrian civil war is beyond complex.


I swear you're like the U.S. Government official spokesperson for ATS. You can make this crap up for drones on couches but your average person with any sense of world affairs can simply see that what you are saying is made up garbage.

You can't put guns in the hands of murders, finance and incentivize them to shoot each other and call it a civil war. Anyone with a memory beyond a 24 hour news cycle remembers what sparked this "civil war", the CIA, Mossad, Saudi and Jordanian intelligence created a ficticious uprising. You know, like in Ukraine, Egypt, etc.

It's clever, just not that clever. Truth is, people know.

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posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 06:10 PM
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I posted three interviews with President Assad here He talks about these so called moderates and calls them out for what they really are; terrorists.

He also talks very openly in the RT interview about how other middle eastern nations - Americas other partner in crime over there, Saudi Arabia is also funding the terrorists because they are Sunni and Wahabi whereas Syria and Iran are Shia and not Wahabi.

The best analogy I can think of for the situation in the middle east is it is like the division between versions of Christianity ie how say Protestants and Catholics are always at odds, but on crack and with guns.

I have gone deeply down the rabbit hole with Syria and Assad is not the monster dictator that we are being he is. He admits that there is need for reforms in his country and claims they were starting to work on them when all this blew up. So all we need to do is help him pacify his nation then hold him to his word of reforms when peace settles again.



posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 06:19 PM
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originally posted by: MrSpad
I am not going bother to explain the complexity of the many sides to the Syrian civil war again. Suffice to say their are dozens of groups all fighting each other. On occasion they work together against a more powerful foe in an are. So you might find the FSA and Al Quida fighting ISIS in one spot, the Kurds and Al Nusra front fighting ISIS in another, while Kurds and FSA are fighting Al Nusra and ISIS in another, while the FSA and a local militia are fighting Assads forces in another, while Assads forces and local militias are fighting Kurds in another, while ISIS and Al Quida are fighting Assads forces in another, while Assads air force are bombing in support of ISIS against the FSA in another, while the Druze are fighting ISIS in another, while the Druze are fighting Assad in another in support of ISIS, while you will also find Turkish backed Turkestan Islamic Movement fighting ISIS and Assad and the US back Kurds etc. etc. Who is fighting who is often based on what is going on in the local area. The one thing all the groups have in common is taking out Assad. The real fear is with Russia backing Assad all these rebel groups might stop fighting and join in taking Assad and the Russians out. And that when that happens the Syrian Army and all its weapons will fall into different rebel factions and new more intense civil war will break out.

For the West the ideal is that all the rebels beyond AlQuida, Al Nusra and ISIS join together combined with Assads defecting Army take out ISIS and Assad and then somehow keep from fighting among themselves. Also it is important to keep in mind that local groups take certain names for recruiting purposes. For example ISIS once called itself AlQuida in Iraq although it never had any real connections with the real AlQuida, the same with Al Quida in Syria who are just a radical group using the name. Trying to understand the sides in the Syrian civil war is beyond complex.


Human beings rarely can operate on two levels like that particularly in a dangerous war-zone environment: fighting ISIS first, a formidable enough foe, and then come together in some cumbaya fashion of unity and take on Assad.

A pure fantasy

And believe me...the US has psychological war experts WHO KNOW THIS IS PURE BS…
Therefore its clear, even though you point out all the complex divisions, the US is playing a game.

Just look at all the evidence of the NATO plot: Libya’s destruction, before that Iraq, now Syria with ALL the leaders chanting in unison ASSAD MUST GO…like a programmed machine.

All that with the confession of General Wesley Clark about this plot



Two and two equals 4


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posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate

I swear you're like the U.S. Government official spokesperson for ATS. You can make this crap up for drones on couches but your average person with any sense of world affairs can simply see that what you are saying is made up garbage.

You can't put guns in the hands of murders, finance and incentivize them to shoot each other and call it a civil war. Anyone with a memory beyond a 24 hour news cycle remembers what sparked this "civil war", the CIA, Mossad, Saudi and Jordanian intelligence created a ficticious uprising. You know, like in Ukraine, Egypt, etc.

It's clever, just not that clever. Truth is, people know.

Oh! it's clever alright if you go the dispassionate way and just say this is the way to destroy totally a whole country by letting them fall unto themselves, but nobody wants to say that, they just choreograph waffle, while they watch Rome burn.. ordinary people...they don't matter, it didn't matter in Iraq, except Iraq is still Iraq.


BTW, does any of the youngsters here remember the UN flag?

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posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 06:32 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Love your work
...carry on....



posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 06:34 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Thank you!



posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Yet many Americans, including some on this site believe every negative thing the MSM has said about Saddam, Gaddafi and Assad.

I'm not willing to call any of them saints, but they can't be any worse than the leaders of the US who keep the genocide rolling.



posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: Isurrender73

They were not saints, let's not kid ourselves here.

However

Has the removal of these leaders resulted in a better life for the every day citizen? I think not.



posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 08:52 PM
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Their working on an agenda plotted years ago: the destabilization of anti-Western or independent ME governments.

The secret operations planed in advance are always carried out whatever the consequences. It happens in all kinds of institutions and it happens in secret government geo-political operations…


What is their final agenda: a massive war of civilizations against the jihadists?


Just the destruction of Arab enemies for Israel?


The destruction of independent ME governments?


Maybe all three and more


Russia is a wrench thrown in this


Their hoping that the same thing that happened in Afghanistan in the 70’s and 80’s again happens to Russia and the US can come in and pick up the pieces.


This is a little different though there was no ISIS back then


....And this time the Russians have Putin not the decrepit Russian Soviet leadership of that era.


We’ll see



posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 09:06 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Everyone on ATS should watch this video that Willtell has linked. I was absolutely gobsmacked!



posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 09:24 PM
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The retired ex- head of Military Intelligence Michael T. Flynn said on Fox news tonight that Obama needs to come to an understanding that the US should first fight and destroy ISIS and forget about Assad.


Obama can’t do that because his orders are to stall and NOT destroy ISIS

Like I said months ago YOU CANT FIGHT TWO WARS IN ONE COUNTRY at cross purposes what the slimy Zionist neocons want America to do: fight ISIS and Assad at the same time. Of course they know that can’t be done….NO military person in History could or would do that...therefore its clear its all a game of chicken


It’s a no brainer and you see the vastly sinister and ignorant neocon Zionist in the media supporting just this idea. Obama at least understands that can’t succeed. So he doesn’t do anything but carry the water of the people behind the scenes who don’t want to destroy ISIS but destroy Assad.



posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 11:32 PM
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Somewhere in the Quran it tells us someone would try to destroy Islam, sorry I can't find the quote. It's Possible that they were not trying to completely destroy Islam but definitely trying to force some changes in Islamic Law. There is no wiggle room for Usury, private central banks, in Islam.

George Bush made the claim he was acting on behalf of God. Which alone should scare the crap out of any sane person.



President George Bush has claimed he was told by God to invade Iraq and attack Osama bin Laden's stronghold of Afghanistan as part of a divine mission to bring peace to the Middle East, security for Israel, and a state for the Palestinians.
www.independent.co.uk...


Not exactly sure how the voice of God got into his head. Nor am I sure exactly to what extent they were trying to destroy Islam. But many Christian zealots believe that Islam is the religion of the Anti-Christ.

Anything is possible when God is telling someone to kill others. Strange when Charlie Manson said God told him to kill we locked him up, when George Bush said it, we let him do it.

Add


In the year of 2000 there were seven countries without a Rothschild owned Central Bank:

Afghanistan
Iraq
Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

The only countries left in 2003 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family were:

Sudan
Libya
Cuba
North Korea
Iran

The only countries left in 2011 without a Central Bank owned by the Rothschild Family are:

Cuba
North Korea
Iran

www.fourwinds10.net...


Follow the money.
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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 12:56 AM
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Most all the # you hear on this from any side is just that deception. -------- Read between the lines. -------- More and more apparent they don't want to take care of ISIS, because it's helping to control interests there.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 01:30 AM
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What is blatantly obvious by Obama's posturing and the media twoddle is that we are being told by the media sirens - all carefully chosen for their ability to lie on camera etc - that Obama's meddling in Syria blatantly for other reasons than the good of the Syrian people, has been called out by the Russians.

Obama and Western policy will always be about money and manipulation only. He wants a puppet government there that is acceptable to saudi, Israel and his banking buddies. He doesn't give a damn about the deaths and misery his country's funding of so-called rebels to oust Assad is causing ordinary people. That he is in charge of a country with his sadistic and psychopathic policies is beyond belief today and that goes also for a number of other western leaders Oinky cameron alongside him.

It always comes back to the question of what right does Obama and these Western governments have to dictate to another country that their elected government should be gone because Obama doesn't like their choice?

We are obviously being deceived about motive and I hope Russia exposes what that motive and who exactly is pulling Obama and other western governments strings - someone very powerful is and they need bringing down especially with the amount of human misery they are causing.

I am not naive and I know that ISIS is also a threat to Russian security, but any country protecting itself from such a vicious and dehumanised group of murderers, rapists and every other base line crime going, is doing the right thing - ISIS and its associates are not wanted within civilised countries - they are not fit to do anything but face the firing squad or go to jail for the rest of their lives.




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