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originally posted by: EvilBat
a reply to: tanka418
Over reacted when people are saying false flag hoax ..that is concerns? I think not I have every right to flip someone off if they are not willing to listen. All these threads and yet the same people saying the same things not listening to people who are there.
Yes people were searched.
Yes cars were searched, people were bussed back the next day to pick them up.
The illegal search , people said go ahead search because either they had nothing to hide , and they wanted to make sure there were no devices that could go off. Cell phones given up because what if it was used to detonate something. Not all cells were kept some were given back right away when there was no suspicious numbers as numbers put in with no name.
Yes keys were taken so they can get into the cars with permission. Yes some people for got to take the house keys off the key ring. Rides were given back and forth. If anyone did not want there stuff searched they would have spoken up and there would have been a warrant.
Some students even go their car back with in minutes and they started giving rides to help out.
Illegal act? did I help search no but only illegal act I saw that day was murder.
originally posted by: tanka418
Okay...kid, put your emotions down and take a deep breath. Nobody said "hoax", true some said "false flag" but, it would appear that is not the case.
Yes...absolutely you are over reacting!
You very seriously should check out the 4th amendment to the Constitution, and title 18 U.S. Code paragraph 242.
What the police were doing was a direct violation of both! AND, If by chance you agree with the police, then you do not deserve the freedoms you take for granted...perhaps you would like the environment in North Korea better...where such thing are expected.
As it stands...each of the police officers involved should be arrested for their violations, and put on trial, and of course forbidden to work in law enforcement for the rest of their lives...they are enemies of the Constitution, and should be treated as such!
Now before anyone goes ballistic on me...I want the same level of safety as anyone else...I just demand that they do it right, and legal! Is that asking too much? apparently it is.
Finally, NO!!! the actions of the police were also illegal...there is an old saying; "two wrongs do not make a right." You would do well to understand this! If I had been there...I'd be suing for enough to bankrupt that jurisdiction...they NEED it!
Would you really sit there and yell put up a fuss minutes after this happened " No you can't search me ! NO you can't search my car with out warrant!" Or would you " Damn go ahead prove you have nothing, and make sure there is nothing else there on campus?"
If I had been there...I'd be suing for enough to bankrupt that jurisdiction...they NEED it!
originally posted by: EvilBat
for doing their job, where do you get off saying they need to be arrested buy doing their job?
Can I search you car? Yes, search move on.
Can I search you car? No, ok we'll get a warrant.
How is that against the law?
I notice you answered my question
You know whats sad-- this county is one of the poorest in the state and you go on about suing which would not only hurt local Fire Departments / EMT/ Police/ Poor family's getting help -- but you go ahead and do that because you were upset they asked to search your car and if not they would get a warrant to do so.
So you would cause trouble and not help out great thanks for making our jobs harder because you think the government is somehow after you. Instead of helping out with a tragedy you go on a rampage about "Rights"
No, I would say if you were here you would have probably have realized your "freedoms" have nothing to do with what was going on. Your thoughts of "Freedoms" would have ended and you would comply just to make sure you
were safe to go home.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
Now the attack kills the entire busload.
These people are in shock. They are going to do anything someone with a blanket and a thermos full of hot chocolate tells them to
originally posted by: EvilBat
There was probable cause, it was reported at first there was multiple shooters they got one, where are the others what if things that were going to be used to harm others were in the cars.
I know you are not daft.
If there is permission how is that illegal. Are we sheep now because we want to know there was only one shooter. Making sure there wasn't anything hidden in a car that could explode?
Seriously you tell me out of 100's of people you would be the only one saying no you can't search my stuff? Because it's my right, that right there would give me probable cause to detain you, you could be the second shooter we are looking for.
originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: Glassbender777
Way to early to jump to any kind of conspiracy like a False flag. Lets learn the entire story first.
The entire story is being manipulated, to fit an agenda.
originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
So what agenda would that be, and how is it being manipulated?