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originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: Sublimecraft
It's disgusting and should be alarming to everyone in the world. That picture is what happens when we give up liberty for safety. Victims get victimized and freedoms trampled under the guise of protection.
Screw that.
originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: Sublimecraft
It's disgusting and should be alarming to everyone in the world. That picture is what happens when we give up liberty for safety. Victims get victimized and freedoms trampled under the guise of protection.
Screw that.
originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: ~Lucidity
That's some logic right there. Give up your 4th amendment right because someone else is a criminal. If you want to relinquish your right to privacy go right ahead.
But don't expect others to because you feel we should all lose a little personal freedom in the name of justice.
originally posted by: Lostinthedarkness
a reply to: Sublimecraft
To me that picture show victims of a crime being victimized again.
Its chilling to see innocent people treated as criminals . Mass groups forced to stand in line with hands behind their head is something I never thought I would see here. This is not the USA our forefathers fought and died for .
What you think Washington Jefferson Adams or Franklin would say to this situation?
I think they would shake their heads and tell us you allowed our work to be ruined Enjoy your chains now.
originally posted by: EternalSolace
a reply to: ~Lucidity
So an unidentified shooter drops their weapons and gear, runs out and blends in with a crowd anyway with no way to identify him. There's any number of ways to escape. So no, I expect them to do the extra work required that would enable them to do their job without violating the innocent's rights. I'm not giving up my rights because I was in the vicinity when garbage decides to hurt people.
There is protocol for those situations and your "rights" may be temporarily suspended.
However, another attorney I interviewed said officers do have the right to confiscate your camera to preserve evidence.
This can only be done in extreme cases such as homicides, rapes or kidnappings, said Michael Pancier, who not only is a nature photographer, but is representing me in my case against 50 State.
The alternative (to confiscating camera) is that they detain you until such time as a subpoena is obtained which could be days.
Evidence has to be preserved. If you photographed a murder scene; that’s evidence; they can’t just let you go and hope that you don’t delete it or alter it. If the evidence is not immediately preserved, it may be challenged and may be inadmissible. Likewise, if the evidence is destroyed or lost because it was not preserved; then a whole case whether for the state or the defense may go down the tubes.
originally posted by: kosmicjack
Also seems they had to turn in their keys so vehicles could be searched and cleared. Can anyone verify that?
If true, it seems like unreasonable search or seizure to me. So anyone adjacent to a crime is a suspect, even the victims?
She writes, "I have no cell phone, car keys, house keys, or wallet, but I'm home.
originally posted by: opethPA
Before all the righteous indignation about victims being victimized runs rampant does anyone know when that picture was taken?
After the shooter was confirmed alone and dead or while he was still alive and unknown if he was working with someone.
10:46 a.m.: Officers report "Code 4, suspect is down."