It's hard to argue against the fact we live in a THEOPHOBIC culture.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
Thoughts?

My thoughts are that you just made a ton of proclamations then didn't back any of it up with facts, statistics, or evidence.

Clearly seen in the mass shootings at the Community College.
www.cnn.com...

The killer asked each victim:

Are you a Christian?

Answer yes, a bullet through the head.

Answer no, you live, a bullet through the knee.

This is a shining example of Christophobia
and caused by people who claim
every religion is evil
and all religious people are evil.

Who was evil in this case?
I say the Christophobe.

Who drove him to it?

Could it be the anti-Christian and Theophobic
rhetoric that is seen regularly on ATS
that is spreading it's ugly cancerous
feelings in the US.
I often see people write things like
"we need to eliminate all religion"
well, this guy certainly tried to fulfill
the wishes of many on ATS and those
like them.

Who is responsible for this mass shooting?
Right wingers? No
Evil religion? No
Hatred for Christians? Bingo

a reply to: grandmakdw

Not heard anyone say all religious people are evil. Not once.
Deluded but not evil.
But religion can sure make good people do bad things.
This thread is going to be full of chtistians claiming percicution isn't it?.
Ahhh poor deluded sheep.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: grandmakdw

Not heard anyone say all religious people are evil. Not once.
Deluded but not evil.
But religion can sure make good people do bad things.

I have, many times over
because they are "oppressive" and "mean" etc
I've even seen someone say the world would be a
better place without religious people.

Hatred for religion, hatred for religious people
can sure make people do really bad things.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Nevermind that first part, I had not read your post correctly.

I would imagine what you are seeing is a hatred of religion in general, but since Christians make up about 60 to 70 percent of religious folk in the US, it's more than likely they will be targeted than other specific religions.

No?

~Tenth

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: nwtrucker

We're seeing a cultural shift from respecting personally held beliefs to being offended by people who hold personally held beliefs.

Best quote of the day!

Truth in a sentence!

What I see is people, especially the far left/progressives
saying I believe in freedom of speech
as long as you don't say anything I don't like;
I believe in freedom of religion
as long as you don't talk about your religion
or display any religious symbols on your person
or where I can see the;
I believe in freedom of thought
as long as you think the way I do.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: grandmakdw

Not heard anyone say all religious people are evil. Not once.
Deluded but not evil.
But religion can sure make good people do bad things.
This thread is going to be full of chtistians claiming percicution isn't it?.
Ahhh poor deluded sheep.

Of course it is. This whole thread was started with the premise of adopting the Christian persecution complex that everyone who isn't a Christian finds so tedious. So of course we'll see a bunch of x-tians whining that they are persecuted even though they are among one of the least persecuted groups of Christians (heck not just Christian, religious in general) in the world.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: flammadraco

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: nwtrucker

We're seeing a cultural shift from respecting personally held beliefs to being offended by people who hold personally held beliefs.

Thats because people who hold personal beliefs offend everyone else who do not have the same belief as them, I give you Kim Davies and exhibit A, Westboro Church as exhibit B and ISIS and exhibit C.

Of course! And being offended justifies all sorts of responses! From banning, silencing, vilifying anyone who "may" offend someone at some future date and time.

And every example you have given is exactly what Religion has done to society for over two millennium.

originally posted by: tothetenthpower
a reply to: grandmakdw

Nevermind that first part, I had not read your post correctly.

I would imagine what you are seeing is a hatred of religion in general, but since Christians make up about 60 to 70 percent of religious folk in the US, it's more than likely they will be targeted than other specific religions.

No?

~Tenth

THIS mass shooting is a direct result of Christophobia, direct period.

When this shooter shouted "Are you a Christian?" then proceeded to shoot people in the head who said yes and let those who said no live - well

I see it as a direct result of our current media and left leaning culture
who sees all religion as bad and all religious people as bad.
This one is on the shoulders of everyone who says the world would
be a better place without religion and religious people.

Shoulder it, and see what this type of rhetoric has done.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Persecution complex?.
I hate religion with a passion but wouldn't hurt anyone over it.
Some nut did but don't attempt to use this as a trend.
Religion may be getting backlash socially because of how # it has been for society.
Had its chance it has and failed.
I blame the religious for cherry picking and hating and denying rights for some.
Religion desearves a back lash but not using violence. People turning away from it will do.

a reply to: boymonkey74

I agree. Also science agrees as well. The countries with the highest measures of happiness and standards of living are all moving away from religion. That alone tells you a lot.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: grandmakdw

Not heard anyone say all religious people are evil. Not once.
Deluded but not evil.
But religion can sure make good people do bad things.
This thread is going to be full of chtistians claiming percicution isn't it?.
Ahhh poor deluded sheep.

Of course it is. This whole thread was started with the premise of adopting the Christian persecution complex that everyone who isn't a Christian finds so tedious. So of course we'll see a bunch of x-tians whining that they are persecuted even though they are among one of the least persecuted groups of Christians (heck not just Christian, religious in general) in the world.

Um, shooting people dead who say they are Christians.

In your book that is not persecution.

Ok................?
So you think people can line up people,
ask if they are Christian,
shoot them dead if they are,
and that is not persecution?
Ok.............

Then by extension of YOUR logic, I am using YOUR logic here,
atheism and saying the world would be better off
without religious people and religion can sure make people do bad things.

Wow, your thought process really shows where the world is today.

It is ok to shoot people dead for being a Christian, that is not persecution.
Just WOW.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Prezbo369

They always do.
Part of the religion isn't it.
Oh and op yes many fear it and not irrational at all. Why wouldn't we fear something that asks for the end of the world with it's followers wanting it to happen.
You lot are nuts and I fear if your nuts try to prove their club right by blowing it all up.

It scares me the fundy Christians, not as much as the fundy atheists

Both are at opposite ends of extremism.
Not much different than isis

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: grandmakdw

Persecution complex?.
I hate religion with a passion but wouldn't hurt anyone over it.
Some nut did but don't attempt to use this as a trend.
Religion may be getting backlash socially because of how # it has been for society.
Had its chance it has and failed.
I blame the religious for cherry picking and hating and denying rights for some.
Religion desearves a back lash but not using violence. People turning away from it will do.

So you blame the religious
for someone lining up people
and only killing the religious?

You are really blind to the damage
done by theophobic and christophobic
rhetoric.

Not those who have said religion is evil
and religion need to be eliminated
for the good of the world?
You know the only way to do that is
to eliminate all religious people.

This shooter was simply following this
lovely logic of saving society from
the religious as a good thing.

He was carrying out this line of
thinking to it's logical (twisted but logical)
conclusion.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Prezbo369

They always do.
Part of the religion isn't it.
Oh and op yes many fear it and not irrational at all. Why wouldn't we fear something that asks for the end of the world with it's followers wanting it to happen.
You lot are nuts and I fear if your nuts try to prove their club right by blowing it all up.

It scares me the fundy Christians, not as much as the fundy atheists

Both are at opposite ends of extremism.
Not much different than isis

So you support lining up people and shooting them for being religious?

The Christians are like ISIS statements seem to indicate that.

That is extremism intolerance in my book, and quite as dangerous,
as we have seen as you claim Christians are.

originally posted by: flammadraco

Thats because people who hold personal beliefs offend everyone else who do not have the same belief as them, I give you Kim Davies and exhibit A, Westboro Church as exhibit B and ISIS and exhibit C.


Of course! And being offended justifies all sorts of responses! From banning, silencing, vilifying anyone who "may" offend someone at some future date and time.

And every example you have given is exactly what Religion has done to society for over two millennium.

So that justifies lining Christians up
and shooting them in the head
for admitting they are Christians?

I am seeing the true colors of all of you here
who are Christophobic and Theophobic.

Well people have gotten your message
and are starting to do something about
those awful religious people. You are winning.
Are you proud?

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: grandmakdw

Not heard anyone say all religious people are evil. Not once.
Deluded but not evil.
But religion can sure make good people do bad things.
This thread is going to be full of chtistians claiming percicution isn't it?.
Ahhh poor deluded sheep.

Of course it is. This whole thread was started with the premise of adopting the Christian persecution complex that everyone who isn't a Christian finds so tedious. So of course we'll see a bunch of x-tians whining that they are persecuted even though they are among one of the least persecuted groups of Christians (heck not just Christian, religious in general) in the world.

Um, shooting people dead who say they are Christians.

In your book that is not persecution.

Ok................?
So you think people can line up people,
ask if they are Christian,
shoot them dead if they are,
and that is not persecution?
Ok.............

Then by extension of YOUR logic, I am using YOUR logic here,
atheism and saying the world would be better off
without religious people and religion can sure make people do bad things.

Wow, your thought process really shows where the world is today.

It is ok to shoot people dead for being a Christian, that is not persecution.
Just WOW.

What is this? Where did I ever say that the recent mass shooting event wasn't Christian persecution? Heck, when did I even start talking about the shooting? Another question, when did I say that Christian persecution doesn't exist in this country?

Oh wait, it's just another one of your awful strawmans that you make about other posters' posts.

originally posted by: grandmakdwYou know the only way to do that is
to eliminate all religious people.

Unsurprisingly, you're the only person that has said this.....

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: grandmakdw

Not heard anyone say all religious people are evil. Not once.
Deluded but not evil.
But religion can sure make good people do bad things.
This thread is going to be full of chtistians claiming percicution isn't it?.
Ahhh poor deluded sheep.

Of course it is. This whole thread was started with the premise of adopting the Christian persecution complex that everyone who isn't a Christian finds so tedious. So of course we'll see a bunch of x-tians whining that they are persecuted even though they are among one of the least persecuted groups of Christians (heck not just Christian, religious in general) in the world.

Um, shooting people dead who say they are Christians.

In your book that is not persecution.

Ok................?
So you think people can line up people,
ask if they are Christian,
shoot them dead if they are,
and that is not persecution?
Ok.............

Then by extension of YOUR logic, I am using YOUR logic here,
atheism and saying the world would be better off
without religious people and religion can sure make people do bad things.

Wow, your thought process really shows where the world is today.

It is ok to shoot people dead for being a Christian, that is not persecution.
Just WOW.

What is this? Where did I ever say that the recent mass shooting event wasn't Christian persecution? Heck, when did I even start talking about the shooting? Another question, when did I say that Christian persecution doesn't exist in this country?

Oh wait, it's just another one of your awful strawmans that you make about other posters' posts.

I believe you said that Christian persecution does not exist multiple times on ATS. you regularly make fun of people who think there is such a thing as Christian persecution. Just look at what you have written in this thread alone.

You are deflecting and not looking at the real picture

This is a clear example of Christian persecution.
This is a clear example of what anti-Christian rhetoric leads directly to.


Your statement: "This whole thread was started with the premise of adopting the Christian persecution complex that everyone who isn't a Christian finds so tedious. So of course we'll see a bunch of x-tians whining that they are persecuted even though they are among one of the least persecuted groups of Christians (heck not just Christian, religious in general) in the world."

Lining people up and shooting them for being Christian
that is whining about being persecuted I suppose

Just yesterday having people shot ISIS style for being Christian
in the US certainly makes Christians one of the least persecuted Groups in the world.
Oh wait, ISIS is killing every Christian they come across, forget them, that's half a world away.
We are just overreacting, huh.

I'm much more afraid of religious zealots than secular oriented people.

I think the history of Christianity will bear me out.....


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