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Obama: Mass shootings are 'something we should politicize'

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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 06:03 PM
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originally posted by: vor78

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this point. The crime data shows a significant across-the-board decline in violent crime, including homicides, over the last 25 years. Here's a document from the FBI with those numbers.



Except have you noticed something that explains why? Have you taken a look at the prison population these days compared to the 90s?

Those statistics you showed are only showing "major crimes committed", however it is not showing how many crimes and criminals have been stopped.



U.S. PRISON POPULATIONS – TRENDS AND IMPLICATIONS
New figures released by the Bureau of Justice Statistics indicate that the number of inmates in American prisons and jails has exceeded 2 million for the first time. As of June 30, 2002, the number of inmates held in state and federal correctional facilities reached 1,355,748, representing an 82% increase from 743,382 in 1990. Between midyear 2001 and midyear 2002, the state prison population increased 0.9%, while the federal system grew by 5.8%. An additional 665,475 persons were held in local jails, a 64% increase since 1990, yielding a national total of 2,019,234 inmates.
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www.prisonpolicy.org...

ONE of the reasons for the increase in prison population is the "three strikes law"



www.lao.ca.gov...

Notice the increase in prison population because of the three strikes law began in the 90s, and it has grown considerably since then. The above shows criminals that have been imprisoned because of the three strikes law just in California. The nation's total is much higher.

"Major crimes committed" have decreased. However, the three strikes law has also incarcerated criminals for committing the "three strikes", which is a crime. These types of crimes don't always end up in the FBI uniform crime reports because they don't fall in the categories included in these reports.

On overall crimes have increased in numbers and frequency. However, because of the three strikes law many criminals are stopped before they commit another major crime for breaking the rules of the three strikes law.



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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: luciddream
Did he take the gun from you yet? almost 8 yrs... damn Obama is slacking.

They workin on it. The Elites of which he is most certainly a willing tool are conditioning the American public to accept it as a condition for safety.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 07:33 PM
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Does anyone believe Obama will actually pass other laws besides gun control laws to bring down violent crime, gun homicides, and even mass shootings? Example of these laws would be something like a database of people with mental illness, Rudy Giuliani/Bloomberg type laws which actually did a lot of good on lowering violent crime (I hate to admit that fact and for years thought they didn't help at all), doing away with doctor patient confidentiality in certain cases, hiring more cops which has been shown to prevent crime, stop and frisk expanding (which stopped some criminals from carrying guns), going after the way gangs are being funded, starting up a task force to spy on certain people's online lives, and finally addressing black on black homicides?
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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 07:36 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: luciddream
Did he take the gun from you yet? almost 8 yrs... damn Obama is slacking.

They workin on it. The Elites of which he is most certainly a willing tool are conditioning the American public to accept it as a condition for safety.


We The People are a tough nut to crack. They keep trying though. I think he will bring in the Big Guns of the UN before his term is up. Be on the lookout for any rhetoric suggesting such.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 07:44 PM
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I feel driven to comment that while some are very unhappy that Obama would like to "politicize" mass shootings because his conviction is that we need to pass laws to make it more difficult for crazy people to go around popping off rounds at people, some people really are politicizing the issue by trivializing the horrific shootings and suggesting sans evidence that they are deliberate "false flag" events. Real people died here, and there is absolutely nothing to support the idea that the perpetrators are anything but unstable nutters who got their hands on deadly weapons. Now you can argue until you're blue in the face in terms of what, if anything, a society ought to do about such a thing. That said, if you think Obama saying that we need to address these tragedies politically is somehow more objectionable than minimizing and trivializing the perpetrators and the victims, you've crossed the rubicon of pale.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 08:41 PM
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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 08:43 PM
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So wait a minute..it is wrong for Obama to politicize this tragedy but perfectly OK for the right to politicize Benghazi tragedy.

Yep sounds about right for the rights logic..



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 08:45 PM
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People have to ask themselves in America..why does the USA have third world gun violence in a supposed more civilized country?

Other first world countries have access to gun yet, don't have the same problem.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 08:47 PM
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originally posted by: lucifershiningone
So wait a minute..it is wrong for Obama to politicize this tragedy but perfectly OK for the right to politicize Benghazi tragedy.

Yep sounds about right for the rights logic..


That's what they call a FALSE equivocation.

The left has been going after guns for over 70 years they are like a dog with a bone. They ain't ever gonna give it up.

Where Benghazi happened right after the current potus bombed the hell out of Libya after 30 years of silence for what ever reason.
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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: lucifershiningone
So wait a minute..it is wrong for Obama to politicize this tragedy but perfectly OK for the right to politicize Benghazi tragedy.

Yep sounds about right for the rights logic..




The Obama Ministry politicized the Benghazi tragedy.

They lied and they still tried.

Then they cried.




posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: lucifershiningone
So wait a minute..it is wrong for Obama to politicize this tragedy but perfectly OK for the right to politicize Benghazi tragedy.

Yep sounds about right for the rights logic..




The Obama Ministry politicized the Benghazi tragedy.

They lied and they still tried.

Then they cried.




And wait for it...

What was the CIA doing in Benghazi ?

Running GUNS or was it missiles ?



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 09:58 PM
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Don't forget now people. This is EXACTLY how the Patriot Act, and the 'Affordable' Care Act was passed.

Create a problem sensationalize to EPIC proportions then offer a solution then people pat themselves on the back for a job well done.

Civil liberties ?

What stinking civil liberties?




posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: neo96

It's not just about disarming the public. Yes, that's obviously part of it, but I also think it serves as a partial distraction from the bigger picture. There has been a long and growing campaign to turn the American public into suspected terrorists. First it's fighting terrorists 'out there' in other countries, but now we are hearing more about terrorist acts committed by citizens. In Canada we get the term "homegrown terrorism" a lot these days. This statement actually makes the elite's attitude more clear: 'fear each other! Your neighbour could be the one who butchers your kids!' There is indeed an increase in terrorists in the States, especially with thousands of Illegals (not immigrants, but criminals) still flooding into the States (a mass criminal anti-American movement protected by Obama.) More shootings like this do occur, but for all we know they could be victims of an offshoot of MK-Ultra.

Either way, the political objective is clear: 'Fear your own people! THEY are the terrorists! Let us strip away your rights so we can protect you! Give up your liberty for security!' In other words, peace of mind. People would only go along with such an absurd idea if they are, indeed, terrorized into it. So, this is only the beginning of disarming, but more precisely, dis-empowering the people.



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 01:17 AM
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a reply to: neo96

Well.. sure if you use them to address poor mental care, gun free zones, and problems with the media. Stop naming killers and ahowing their pictures. The ever declining Rolling Stone put a flattering picturenof a marathon bomber on the damn cover:


Want to be infuriated?

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posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 01:33 AM
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I will tell you want is absolutely infuriating.

Is here we are once again we have the good Shepard telling his flock them guns are baaaad, baaaad.

And the flock goes along yet again without an iota of critical thinking that good Shepard is going to make everything alright.

And people wonder Americans are called sheep.
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posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 06:59 AM
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a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Have you noticed their new line? Its one that Obama used this week. They're making a direct comparison in the number of deaths from gun-related violence to those from terrorism. What do you think they're trying to imply there?



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 12:58 PM
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Well, if the president and all the other political leaders talk only about guns they don't have to address the issue behind the shootings---the drugging of America's children. To speak out against the forces of BigPharma would severely curtail the political donations from that sector. Same for the msm---look at the revenue produced by that segment alone. The mainstream can't talk about the connections between the meds and shooters because they DEPEND on the advertising dollars those companies spend on a yearly basis---some $2 billion according to the last report I saw.
Something goes wrong in the brain to cause the loss of impulse control. Loss of impulse control is caused by chemicals and/or brain trauma. Which cause is most common? Can we actually take a look at what drugs designed and tested for ADULTS do to a developing brain when 6 and 7 year-olds are given drugs meant for fully developed adult brains?
I know there are still a goodly number of BigPharma fans here who see only the good side of these drugs because they've not had the horrible experience of being in the small percentage of people whose experiences were bad.
Take a look at the suicide/violent crime rate in the US military. These soldiers are being loaded up on legal drugs and are committing suicide and violent crimes at an increasingly frightening rate.
Any honest discussion of the issue which doesn't first look at the brain and how it was damaged isn't serious about solving the problem. Citizens of the US have always had access to guns. Up until just a couple of decades ago they also had the impulse control that allowed them to handle those firearms safely. The major change can be found in the drugging of the children of the US when discipline was removed from schools and homes.



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 03:38 PM
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posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 03:57 PM
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originally posted by: lucifershiningone
So wait a minute..it is wrong for Obama to politicize this tragedy but perfectly OK for the right to politicize Benghazi tragedy.

Yep sounds about right for the rights logic..


You really equating attacks on citizens on foreign soil in hot zones to a nut job pulling off a mass killing here at home?

Think a point was actually made?



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: lucifershiningone
So wait a minute..it is wrong for Obama to politicize this tragedy but perfectly OK for the right to politicize Benghazi tragedy.

Yep sounds about right for the rights logic..


You really equating attacks on citizens on foreign soil in hot zones to a nut job pulling off a mass killing here at home?

Think a point was actually made?


Oh now Bengahzi was because of people that were 'out for a walk', and were upset about a video.

Maybe them mass shooters 'was' too.




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