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How Bernie Sanders would transform the nation

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posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 02:55 PM
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That is the title of an article in The Washington Post
The article tries to explain what the U.S. may look like in Bernie Sanders were to be elected President. I say it tries to explain it, because their are a lot of unanswered questions.
It seems a Sanders' Presidency would have three pillars. Lowering cost of Healthcare, College Tuition, and Childcare. How does he plan on accomplishing this?



The simplest parts of Sanders’s platform are the parts that are simply very expensive. New money. But pumped through old pipes.

He would allot, for example, an extra $1.2 trillion for Social Security beneficiaries, paid for by higher taxes on people earning more than $250,000. He also would create a new Social Security benefit: paying for Americans of any age to take 12 weeks off to care for a new baby or deal with a serious illness. The funding for that would be new taxes on wage-earners and businesses, raising $319 billion.


Oh yeah, by taxing us. We already knew this. Let's try to get more specific here.

College Tuition:

This part of Sanders’s agenda would be paid for if Congress agreed to his plan to add a small tax to every Wall Street trade. That would be an increase worth $54 billion to $300 billion per year, according to Sanders’s staff.


Sanders wants all Public colleges be be free for all. Private schools could still charge tuition, and students could apply for traditional federal scholarships. The Federal pickup of tuition for Public colleges would be paid by a new tax on Wall Street trading.

The next 2 may be difficult because

Sanders has not provided details about two of his most ambitious ideas — revamping the health-care and child-care systems. He hasn’t said exactly what he would do to improve these areas or how he would pay for the changes.
But let's try.

Healthcare:

“The point is, we haven’t finished the proposal yet,” Sanders said, when asked about the details of his health-care plan. A recent report in the Wall Street Journal quoted an estimated that a plan Sanders has supported in the past that would cost $15 trillion over 10 years. Sanders said that missed the point. “Even assuming that it were $15 trillion over 10 years . . . [Americans] would no longer be paying private health insurance” at the same time, so they’d be saving money that way, Sanders said.

Sanders said he wants to model his plan on Medicare, the popular federal health-insurance program for seniors. He has proposed similar, very detailed plans to expand Medicare into a national health-care program in the past. But, in this election, he has made a point of saying that those old plans are not his official campaign proposal. He’s still working on the official one.


In the past, Sanders has supported healthcare reform with price tags of $15 Trillion over 10 years. Sanders says don't worry, we won't being paying private healthcare, so we will be saving money. I would like to see some specifics if he has any.

Childcare:

On child-care reform, Sanders hasn’t decided what it would cost.

Or how it would be regulated.

But he is certain that the government would become the major funder for the industry. That means child care for every American who wants it. And rules to make sure the money is well spent.

“The goal is to make it universal,” said Warren Gunnels, Sanders’s policy director. “Just like you make health care universal. Just like you make public colleges and universities tuition-free.”


Ok, I see. No plan, no cost analysis, and no idea on how to regulate it. Just make it universal like everything else.



Sanders has proposed more than $3.4 trillion in new taxes, most of them targeting the rich or large companies. But right now, it seems that even this enormous tax increase would not pay for Sanders’s full vision.


Sanders has proposed $3.4 Trillion in new taxes, and that doesn't include parts of his agenda not factored in. Normally that kind of crazy spending/taxing talk might have me worried. Not this time though. I do not believe he will be elected, and even if he was, I do not believe he could forward his agenda. I see him as a cult of personality. He may look strong and sturdy like a brick house, but is as fragile as a house of cards. His policies carry no weight, therefore his agenda will fall.

To you Bernie supporters, how do you think Sanders could get anything passed in Congress? In the not so distant past, he has tried to push policy in the Senate. Policy that is very similar to his rhetoric on the campaign trail. He has not even gotten 1 co-sponsor in the Senate, not even from Democrats, for his Single Payer Healthcare and College For All bills.

How's that for some Anti-Bern Cream?




posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:08 PM
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Sounds like a typical politician, telling us how he's going to spend more money.
When will we have a politician that wants to lower costs?
The government has a spending problem not an income problem so let's not buy more insurance but try to lower the price of health services.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:09 PM
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a reply to: harvestdog

Just the issue of free university gambit that Sanders is pushing to match Hillary and omitting the rest:

As primary and secondary educations are an accepted social mechanism, his pushing free university as some civilized act leave much information out.

First, the rate of graduation from secondary schools is about 80%.

The percentile of Doctorates in the U.S. is at 30%. That 30% now is afforded an average of one million dollars more earning than secondary graduates.

So let's get this straight, the remaining 70% is obliged to finance that 30% to increase their earnings by one million dollars over their lifetime? REALLY?

So the single mom, the laborer, those on a fixed incomes need subsidize the affluence of the remaining 30%? REALLY?

Now add in the average cost of a doctorate is around 7800 bucks annually. Let's see...7800 times 4... rounded off, about 30 grand. 30% of 330 million is...what? around 100 million people. (I'm keeping this in round figures so the millennials can wrap their heads around this.)

That works to about 30,000 times 100,000,000...around 30 trillion bucks....nice. Coming from where?? The rest of us.

Now add in the demands of the ACA, Social security on and on and on.... there is less monies left to fund those programs on top of this new 'civilized' act of free university...

The man is no better than Trump in his solutions. Glib, understated solutions. The same as all the rest.

At least Trump doesn't push "freebies"....


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Oops, afterthought. the next will be the"unfairness" of those with tuition debts to be force to pay their share when university is now "free" they get their piece of the free pie as well. That takes care of the disaffected middle class that has suffered under the Democrat/Obama reign.

Now almost every minority AND the middle-class vote gets bought by the left...
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posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:16 PM
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posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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So what does giving free college to people do for all those who went to school and are now drowning in debt? Do they get some kind of backpay?

Or is this just free college for all the new immigrants, giving them yet another leg up in a system that is already built to give them everything they need.

And what is the value of an Associates degree when everyone can get one for free? Doesn't it just become high school grade 13 and 14 then?



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:24 PM
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What do we want? Free s***!

Who's going to give it to us? Bernie!

What do we not understand? Economics!



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:26 PM
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originally posted by: harvestdog
That is the title of an article in The Washington Post
The article tries to explain what the U.S. may look like in Bernie Sanders were to be elected President. I say it tries to explain it, because their are a lot of unanswered questions.
It seems a Sanders' Presidency would have three pillars. Lowering cost of Healthcare, College Tuition, and Childcare. How does he plan on accomplishing this?



The simplest parts of Sanders’s platform are the parts that are simply very expensive. New money. But pumped through old pipes.

He would allot, for example, an extra $1.2 trillion for Social Security beneficiaries, paid for by higher taxes on people earning more than $250,000. He also would create a new Social Security benefit: paying for Americans of any age to take 12 weeks off to care for a new baby or deal with a serious illness. The funding for that would be new taxes on wage-earners and businesses, raising $319 billion.


Oh yeah, by taxing us. We already knew this. Let's try to get more specific here.

College Tuition:

This part of Sanders’s agenda would be paid for if Congress agreed to his plan to add a small tax to every Wall Street trade. That would be an increase worth $54 billion to $300 billion per year, according to Sanders’s staff.


Sanders wants all Public colleges be be free for all. Private schools could still charge tuition, and students could apply for traditional federal scholarships. The Federal pickup of tuition for Public colleges would be paid by a new tax on Wall Street trading.

The next 2 may be difficult because

Sanders has not provided details about two of his most ambitious ideas — revamping the health-care and child-care systems. He hasn’t said exactly what he would do to improve these areas or how he would pay for the changes.
But let's try.

Healthcare:

“The point is, we haven’t finished the proposal yet,” Sanders said, when asked about the details of his health-care plan. A recent report in the Wall Street Journal quoted an estimated that a plan Sanders has supported in the past that would cost $15 trillion over 10 years. Sanders said that missed the point. “Even assuming that it were $15 trillion over 10 years . . . [Americans] would no longer be paying private health insurance” at the same time, so they’d be saving money that way, Sanders said.

Sanders said he wants to model his plan on Medicare, the popular federal health-insurance program for seniors. He has proposed similar, very detailed plans to expand Medicare into a national health-care program in the past. But, in this election, he has made a point of saying that those old plans are not his official campaign proposal. He’s still working on the official one.


In the past, Sanders has supported healthcare reform with price tags of $15 Trillion over 10 years. Sanders says don't worry, we won't being paying private healthcare, so we will be saving money. I would like to see some specifics if he has any.

Childcare:

On child-care reform, Sanders hasn’t decided what it would cost.

Or how it would be regulated.

But he is certain that the government would become the major funder for the industry. That means child care for every American who wants it. And rules to make sure the money is well spent.

“The goal is to make it universal,” said Warren Gunnels, Sanders’s policy director. “Just like you make health care universal. Just like you make public colleges and universities tuition-free.”


Ok, I see. No plan, no cost analysis, and no idea on how to regulate it. Just make it universal like everything else.



Sanders has proposed more than $3.4 trillion in new taxes, most of them targeting the rich or large companies. But right now, it seems that even this enormous tax increase would not pay for Sanders’s full vision.


Sanders has proposed $3.4 Trillion in new taxes, and that doesn't include parts of his agenda not factored in. Normally that kind of crazy spending/taxing talk might have me worried. Not this time though. I do not believe he will be elected, and even if he was, I do not believe he could forward his agenda. I see him as a cult of personality. He may look strong and sturdy like a brick house, but is as fragile as a house of cards. His policies carry no weight, therefore his agenda will fall.

To you Bernie supporters, how do you think Sanders could get anything passed in Congress? In the not so distant past, he has tried to push policy in the Senate. Policy that is very similar to his rhetoric on the campaign trail. He has not even gotten 1 co-sponsor in the Senate, not even from Democrats, for his Single Payer Healthcare and College For All bills.

How's that for some Anti-Bern Cream?


I would rather have community college and job training than welfare. Perhaps some financial help for a certain GPA ?

The rest is sketchy but honestly education and job training are pretty good ways to elevate the workforce especially if geared towards gaps employers have.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:31 PM
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Oh yeah, by taxing us.

This may come as a shock but not everyone makes over 250K a year.


Sanders wants all Public colleges be be free for all.

Only for those that qualify.


In the past, Sanders has supported healthcare reform with price tags of $15 Trillion over 10 years. Sanders says don't worry, we won't being paying private healthcare, so we will be saving money. I would like to see some specifics if he has any.

Insurance companies is one of the main reasons why medical care is so expensive.


To you Bernie supporters, how do you think Sanders could get anything passed in Congress?

That would depend on who gets voted into office.


How's that for some Anti-Bern Cream?

Right now he is drawing larger crowds than anyone and the people like what they are hearing you can tell that by how he is rising in the polls.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:32 PM
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originally posted by: Bennyzilla
So what does giving free college to people do for all those who went to school and are now drowning in debt? Do they get some kind of backpay?

Or is this just free college for all the new immigrants, giving them yet another leg up in a system that is already built to give them everything they need.

And what is the value of an Associates degree when everyone can get one for free? Doesn't it just become high school grade 13 and 14 then?


Theoretically it gives them an option to get more job training if they are having trouble with their current degree. Like nursing or tech medical field etc

A couple red states already do this with good results.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
What do we want? Free s***!

Who's going to give it to us? Bernie!

What do we not understand? Economics!

You may want to brush up on your economics as well. None of it is free it is paid for by the tax payers.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:35 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: ketsuko
What do we want? Free s***!

Who's going to give it to us? Bernie!

What do we not understand? Economics!

You may want to brush up on your economics as well. None of it is free it is paid for by the tax payers.



I prefer the term stolen from the taxpayers not paid for by.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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Because the ones taking advantage of it the most are paying tons in taxes right?



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: buster2010

Because the ones taking advantage of it the most are paying tons in taxes right?


If they get training and get a job its better than getting welfare and unemployment though right?



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:39 PM
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The only ones stealing from you are the corporations, wall street, and politicians. Bernie is against them all, but nobody wants to hear that when they have a full glass of Republican Kool-aid.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Well everyone that keep telling us that it will trickle down needs a brush up too.

When you make it black and white as free s**t it is easy to make it sound bad, but that isn't what is being said.

He wants a gov that serves the people, not the rich.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:41 PM
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What other candidate is fighting for the American people right now?



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: Bennyzilla

Is that how we are going to define our society?
You are only worth it if you pay high amounts of taxes?

Talk about class warfare.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: luthier

I get what you're saying but in modern America I do not see it playing out that way. I'm sure a few will go through school and get jobs, but those will be the people who already had the drive to work hard and make something of themselves.

I fear the majority will use it as a free gateway to a Pell Grant each semester, and then drop out and go back on free food, housing, healthcare, and phone plans that already exist.

Also I'm convinced this will devalue what little prestige an Associates degree already has.

Cynical I know but it's just my opinion.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: ketsuko
What do we want? Free s***!

Who's going to give it to us? Bernie!

What do we not understand? Economics!

You may want to brush up on your economics as well. None of it is free it is paid for by the tax payers.



I prefer the term stolen from the taxpayers not paid for by.


college.usatoday.com...

Maybe there are other solutions. Education should be the first social welfare.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: luthier

I get what you're saying but in modern America I do not see it playing out that way. I'm sure a few will go through school and get jobs, but those will be the people who already had the drive to work hard and make something of themselves.

I fear the majority will use it as a free gateway to a Pell Grant each semester, and then drop out and go back on free food, housing, healthcare, and phone plans that already exist.

Also I'm convinced this will devalue what little prestige an Associates degree already has.

Cynical I know but it's just my opinion.



II agree but it just needs thought put into the oversight. Politicians like to pass easy bills. But read about Tennesee. You can also make it for programs with a more direct link to job market needs.

college.usatoday.com...
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