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I agree. As expected this shooter's profile is coming out and sounding like every other lone gunman in history. His downloaded torrents and earlier comments , before the comment about the shooter of the reporters on air, suggest he had interest in conspiracy. I just find it hard to believe he actually committed this shooting. I'm not saying nobody did... This is just my gut talking.
originally posted by: trusername
originally posted by: tiredoflooking
originally posted by: trusername
First, condolences to any one who lost somebody today.
And since this is a conspiracy site...
- news reports stated (according to this thread) shooter was in custody
- Other reports shooter shot himself
- Father keeps saying the timing for shooting with one handgun doesn't make sense on CNN
CNN interview - father repeats several time "How does that timing work? Asking someone if they're Christian and shooting and reloading and entering the classroom shooting and going to 2 classrooms..." He didn't say it doesn't seem like one shooter but he asks over and over how is it possible in the amount of time for one small handgun.
- Um who would answer I'm Christian too after seeing the others get shot?
Seriously, this was a science classroom. Not a religion class. Are we supposed to believe that there were 10 so devout christians in that room that after say by the 3rd declared and shot christian, the other 7 didn't begin to have second thoughts about how better to answer that question?
- Scully and Mulder... read your Lone Gunman
There have been films, documentaries, books explaining the shock doctrine, patterns, conspiracies and reasons behind this tired, repeated, false, lone gunman mass shooting scenario. I didn't think anyone believed this anymore. I'm a little surprised that everyone on this website and this thread isn't discussing what are we being diverted from today.
- Community Colleges may be gun free... they are also community free
If you want to bring in actors and create theater, it's certainly easier in a community college in October than an elementary school in April. Why? Because nobody knows anybody. No hall passes. Teams can walk in, set up, prep, get out. Heck community colleges are broke and could be paid off for all we know. I've heard of all kinds of financial scandals with community colleges. I would guess the aftermath is either shut it down or pour in masses of funding for healing and rebuilding.
- A society of headphones and tune out
Yes it could be a copy cat. Some sad soul who plays too much assassins creed in his mother's garage. It could be drugs, prescription or not. It could be time bomb planted seeds, black ops, who knows... but it's also all of us, we're numb and number.
- Arms in the air
How many of you got a chill when you saw the lines of exiting students with their hands on their heads and the swat teams with their guns? Does that make you feel safer? Safer like when you're shuttled like cattle through an airport and removed of your nail scissors? If I manage to hijack a plane with nail scissors, I think I kind of deserve the plane. Was it really necessary to treat traumatized students like they were all under arrest? They already had the lone gunman. So either they suspected more than one gunman or they were willing to further traumatize in order to promote a crowd control exercise.
Why? Why this time? For example...
- Dow makes a V
Hmmm Look at the markets shootings at 10:38AM PST 1:38PM EST. Dow dropped all morning then at time of the shooting Dow is at 16,133 and then bounces up 240 points to close at 16,271. I have an image I took of today but I need help uploading it here.
Here is 911 tweet showing 10:38 am PST www.npr.org...
- Russia's Putin starts first air strike attacks on Syria and leads coalition against terrorist groups.
"They (Russia) have forced a change in the overall policy in Syria – normally no-one else in the world changes the foreign policy of the U.S.," Granville said. www.cnbc.com...
- Bad news or worse news?
The bad news is that this really happened. 10 people died, 7 were injured. One very sad man is to blame.
The worse news is it is not entirely impossible that this is fake, staged, theater, the gunman / gunmen are not dead. The students weren't students and the interviews weren't their family members. Maybe stay bullets have injured innocents or may not have. Bread and circus.
Only it's a sad old circus. Viewers have school shooting fatigue. Soon we'll all expect to raise both our hands and march out in line for a public lockdown for a possible shooter... just as bored as we stand in line now and take off our shoes and hold up our hands for the scanner booth in the airport.
How free do you feel in there?
Great post. I am always thinking CONSPIRACY after all the ridiculous crap that has gone on around previous mass shootings of late. Also this same tired repeated lone gunman profile which is like a broken record deja vu all over again. Today I watched and read here and posted here in real time. I tried to be open minded... it feels wrong in the gut. I am almost afraid to admit to being a "truther", (BTW since WHEN has searching for the truth become attached to such negative connotations! Well I guess it has done, in historical times, but we are meant to be enlightened in 2015) especially (and even??) on ATS. Don't get me wrong, I do not deny there are victims; I do not search for the truth out of disrespect for any grieving families; I simply follow my gut and want to know the truth. How can so many people just stick their heads in the sand?
Yes, I agree. In fact, now it is smart to dig for the truth.
I just find it hard to believe he actually committed this shooting. I'm not saying nobody did... This is just my gut talking.
originally posted by: starviego
One eyewitness mentions a National Guard guy in the parking lot outside Snyder Hall:
25-year-old Navy Veteran Kenny Ungerman was chatting with a National Guard Recruiter outside of Umpqua Community College’s Snyder Hall.
Q: Is it common for a National Guard recruiter to be on campus?
A: The reason he was on campus was ... He thought there was a .. I forgot what it's called, uh, he had a meeting there I believe is why he was there. ...
He thought there was a ...what? I wonder if this "meeting" had something to do with the shooting?
"Q: Can you describe the gunman for us?
"A: I saw a 20 year old white male..."
20? Again? Are they following some kind of script here?
originally posted by: Leonidas
So have the "False Flag", "He's not the (only) Shooter", "We need MORE guns", "We need less Guns", "Anti-depressants are the root cause", "2nd Amendment grammar nazi's" all checked into this thread yet?
Or has something meaningful and different been discussed?
originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: jadedANDcynical
BINGO!! The root cause is not a firearm, it is merely a tool. A common pressure cooker had similar effect at the Boston Marathon. We need to understand what creates these disassociated, anti-social, types who turn into the monsters they do. Once understood, we as a people need to develop ways to intervene and help guide these troubled people into a lifestyle which is productive with the rest of society.
originally posted by: Watcher777
I just read an article about the shooter, what stood out to me was here is another young man who lives alone with his mother, and has obvious mental problems. Yet, the mother regularly takes the son to shooting ranges and allows him/her to own guns.
We now have at least two school shooters who have this in common. These are not uneducated women, when do you decide as a mother that this is healthy for your child who has a mental illness?