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I'd like to make a distinguished & profound point. Although they don't really belong in such UBER threads, where anything is easily missed. But here it goes.
I've suspected after talking it through with some people why these incidents get so much cover, & why people find that the original story is more often than not "fiddled" with. Such as fabricating more people or more tear-jerking stories for those people who perished in the violent act. Also I personally believe they twist the story even more, with this whole "religion" thing. I'm sure they'll turn it into more excuse to fight in middle east. But the single most important epiphany for me was that this IS NOT ABOUT GUN CONTROL, but THE OPPOSITE!
What the hell? -- you might say. But is it not possible that this is exactly what gun companies would want to sell more guns? The NRA is the strongest possibly oldest lobby in the US. There's no chance for that to ever subside. No chance at all. In fact it might arm more body guards & give more reason for gun sales to move around everywhere. They make people feel safe. Isn't it security our nations leaders are after, in exchange for our freedoms? Think about that will somebody please? I'm sure there are more holes to dive in to.
I have not looked at the market numbers when incidents such as this happen, or even worldwide news such as Fast & Furious, or when it was released that the US bought lots & lots of guns & such. But I submit to you that the market probably increased. If this becomes a focus of conversation I sure will look it up, but as it is now I believe this reasoning will be missed & might call for another thread.
On top of that, an 89% increase on practically nothing is still practically nothing, whereas you morons have major shootings like this every few weeks.
originally posted by: butcherguy
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originally posted by: carewemust
Why did news of this tragedy unfold so slowly yesterday? I first heard of it at 4pm CDT and CNN was still estimating what had happened and the number of lives lost. Most of these mass shooting incidents generate fairly hard numbers and details within a few hours.
I wish I could give this post 100 stars,because I think you nailed it Flyingclaydisk.
originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
So, back to the topic...
We could debate the gun issue until the cows come home, but it will be just that...a debate. There will be no clear winner. There are some credible arguments on both sides (and many more not so credible ones). Hashing it out here won't fix anything. For my part, my opinion, a gun is just a tool, it doesn't have any intent (but again that's just my opinion). Regardless, I think there is something else here which is being missed. Not to diminish or distract the gun rights discussion, but it's something relevant to the recent tragic incident.
In virtually every single one of the recent school shootings and other mass shooting the perpetraitor has been a disenfranchised youth, a loner with few friends and in nearly every case a person with a lot of on-line activity of one form or another. This type of personality seems to be becoming more and more frequent. Equally, with social media as prevalent as it is, kids now days seem to withdraw from interpersonal interaction, preferring instead the faceless, narccisistic life of being on-line. It seems to me this is a self fulfilling prophecy. Being on-line so much breeds an anti-social personality which only leads to being on-line even more (and more removed from society).
The internet will corrupt your mind if one lets it. There are endless 'rabbit holes' of hate, violence, deviance and anti-social mindsets. If one dwells more and more on these pockets of hatred and discontent on the internet they will become the same way themselves eventually.
It seems to me society as a whole should be looking at this angle (in addition to all the usual suspects). Further, parenting also seems to be an issue. Anymore, many children are really more just a status symbol than they are a critical part of the family unit. Working families go through the motions, but at the end of the day the kid is adrift without close guidance.
Perhaps we ought be looking at these issues as well when we look for causation in these tragedies.
Oregon Shooting: 'Heroic' Veteran Chris Mintz Was Shot 7 Times
An Army veteran was shot seven times while trying to save other students during the deadly Oregon community college rampage, according to his aunt.
Chris Mintz "tried to protect some people," his aunt Sheila Brown told NBC News in a telephone interview. "We were told he did heroic things to protect some people."
She said that Mintz was shot seven times and had been in surgery since the shooting that left 10 dead, including the gunman.
Originally from Randleman, North Carolina, Mintz served about 10 years in the Army. He had just started college, Brown said. He was shot in the back, abdomen and hands, and had two broken legs, she added.
"We're not sure how his legs got broken," she said. "He was on the wrestling team and and he's done cage-fighting so it does not surprise me that he would act heroically."
"It was a great, great shock ... We've all been sitting on pins and needles and praying very hard," Brown said, adding Mintz was "an extremely good guy."
On Friday morning, a Facebook page that appeared to belong to Mintz posted the following message:
"This is Chris's friend, Chris asked me to thank everyone for their support, he is grateful and keeping our community and all victims in his thoughts."