The Syrian air war thread....

a reply to: introvert

If you read the OP, then you'd know I'm concerned with it's potential. Where we part ways is I don't believe in the denial of 'it's none of our business' mentality.

If it was none of our business, Europe would be under Soviet control. If it was none of our business Taiwan would still be shackled to mainland. Pakistan and India would have gone to war which probably would have ended up nuclear.

If it was none our business Israel would have already taken matter into their own hands and have dealt with it's enemies. If it was none of our business Saddam would be running the ME from Iraq right through Saudi Arabia.If it was none of our business, the EU would never have been formed and a unprecedented peace that has escaped Europe for the last 2000 years wouldn't have occurred.

Has there been monumental screw-ups? HELL yes.

Get this if you get nothing else...There are no absolutes. Period....almost....

Russians don't seem to be mucking around if this video is any guide....

www.liveleak.com...

a reply to: glend

Not much secondary explosions. I wonder what they were hitting?

They did burn some expensive ordinance, didn't they?

We should stay out of Syria. Let Russia handle it. We also need to stop giving weapons to the rebels they are going to ISIS. We are the bad guys in this situation. Syria wanted to start selling their oil for Rubles instead of Dollars. So now hes our main bad guy. We killed Quadahfi because he wanted to sell his oil for his gold backed Dinar. So we killed him. And used Benghazi as an excuse. We probably did benghazi as a black op. Smoke and mirrors.Thats why Putin said this will not be another Libya. We are in the wrong.

I guess we opps I mean the FSA rebels will start shooting down Russian planes.



Mccain: Arm Syrian Rebels to shoot down Russian planes

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

The rebels already have US supplied man-pads. 2 SU 25s have already been struck, but they did not go Down.

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

The rebels already have US supplied man-pads. 2 SU 25s have already been struck, but they did not go Down.

Some tough planes the Russians have, maybe some kind of shielding?

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

The rebels already have US supplied man-pads. 2 SU 25s have already been struck, but they did not go Down.

Some tough planes the Russians have, maybe some kind of shielding?

The SU 25 is a ground attack Aircraft. It is built to withstand a lot of damage... there is nothing really that high Tech about that jet. Thou some are equiped With Electronic shielding against man-pads.

On one video i have seen.... you can see that the missile dosent hit, but it explodes 60-70m behind the SU. There was just a small puff of smoke and the SU flew on. There were no more indications after that.....that the SU was damaged.

Nobody have located any crash sites either.

The SU-25 is Russia's version of the A-10. Ground attack aircraft are designed to take a beating.

www.jewsnews.co.il...
"The Russian Air Force overnight destroyed a terrorist headquarters and arms depot in Syria’s northwestern Idlib region during airstrikes aimed at Islamic State."
Putin means business. He must have better sources than the US, or the US ignored these isis centers. It has taken Russia a couple of days to do more than the US has done in a year.

Putin’s Lightning War in Syria
October 2, 2015
by Mike Whitney

For more than a year, the United States has been playing patty-cake with an army of homicidal maniacs who call themselves ISIS. On Monday, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that he’d had enough of Washington’s song-and-dance and was planning to bring a little Russian justice to the terrorist militias that had killed 225,000 Syrians and ripped the country to shreds. In language that could not be more explicit, Putin said to the General Assembly: “We can no longer tolerate the currents state of affairs in the world”. Less than 48 hours later, Russian bombers were raining down precision-guided munitions on terrorist strongholds across western Syria sending the jihadi vermin scrambling for cover.

That’s how you fight terrorism if you’re serious about it. Bravo, Putin.

Putin's acts likely will embarrass the US and their puny fight against ISIS

Putin’s blitz caught the entire western political establishment flat-footed. Even now, three days into the air campaign, neither the administration nor the policy wonks at the many far-right think tanks in Washington have even settled on an approach, much less a strategy, to developments on the ground. What’s clear, is that Putin’s action has surprised everyone including the media which to-this-day hasn’t even settled on it’s talking points.This is extraordinary. Ask yourself this, dear reader: How can our political and military leaders watch Moscow deploy its troops, warplanes and military hardware to a theater where the US is carrying out major operations and have absolutely no plan of how deal with those forces if they are sent into battle?

If you are convinced, as I am, that we are governed by numbskulls, you will certainly find confirmation of that fact in recent events.

Led by Obama the chief numbskull who is a disgrace to the presidency

But while the Obama administration is frantically searching for a strategy, Putin’s air-squadrons are unleashing holy hell on the sociopaths, the head-choppers and the other assorted vipers that comprise the Islamic State. And Mr. Putin is getting plenty of help too, particularly from the crack-troops in the Iranian Quds forces and from the ferocious militia that defeated the IDF in two separate conflicts, Hezbollah, the Army of God. Check this out from Reuters:
“Hundreds of Iranian troops have arrived in Syria in the last 10 days and will soon join government forces and their Lebanese Hezbollah allies in a major ground offensive backed by Russian air strikes, two Lebanese sources told Reuters….

“The (Russian) air strikes will in the near future be accompanied by ground advances by the Syrian army and its allies,” said one of the sources familiar with political and military developments in the conflict….

Obama is frightened that if Putin succeeds he will look like a real fool

“The vanguard of Iranian ground forces began arriving in Syria: soldiers and officers specifically to participate in this battle. They are not advisors … we mean hundreds with equipment and weapons. They will be followed by more,” the second source said. Iraqis would also take part in the operation, the source said.”

(“Assad allies, including Iranians, prepare ground attack in Syria: sources“, Reuters)
A military alliance between Moscow, Tehran and Hezbollah?

You’re darn tootin’, and you can thank Barack Obama and his lunatic regime change plan for that development.

While America dithers and a evil force rarely the earth has ever seen runs amuck Putin is doing what has to be done

Many critics of Putin’s action have said that “He doesn’t know what he’s doing” or “He’ll get bogged down” or “It’ll be another Vietnam”.

Wrong. The fact is, Putin is more a devotee of the Powell Doctrine than any of the morons at the Pentagon. And he is particularly mindful of Rule Number 5 which states: “Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?”
Has Putin thought about that or has he merely blundered ahead impulsively like US leaders are so apt to do? Here’s what he said on September 30:

“We naturally have no intention of getting deeply entangled in this conflict. We will act strictly in accordance with our set mission. First, we will support the Syrian army only in its lawful fight against terrorist groups. Second, our support will be limited to airstrikes and will not involve ground operations. Third, our support will have a limited timeframe and will continue only while the Syrian army conducts its anti-terrorist offensive.”
Bingo.

In other words, he’s going to bomb these jokers into oblivion and let Quds brigade and Hezbollah mop up afterwards. There will be no Russian boots-on-the-ground. The Russian airforce will get precise intelligence on ISIS locations from Syrian agents on the battlefield which will minimize civilian casualties and limit damage to critical infrastructure. It will also make mincemeat out of anyone on the receiving end of the bombardment. Does anyone seriously believe that ISIS and the disparate rabble of “moderate” throat-slitters that receive CIA funding are going to be able to withstand this impending onslaught?

No way. Putin’s going to cut through these guys like a tornado through a trailer park. Yes, ISIS has had some success against the bedraggled Iraqi and Syrian armies. But now they’re up-against the A Team where they are clearly out of their league. Rolling up these cutthroats is going to take a lot less time than anyone figured.
There’s not going to be any pussyfooting around. Putin’s going to go straight for the jugular and then head for the exits.

This is how to fight a war against evil

Obama’s flimsy excuse for such a war would have gone on for 100 years…just what they wanted to do

The United States is an embarrassment to humankind

a reply to: Willtell

I'd agree until the "Putin doing what needs to be done."

I trust him NOT. I put him AND Obama in the same 'area code' when it comes to agendas, at least.

There's another thread that claims six Russian fighters 'intercepted' four Israeli F-15s heading to Syria. Apparently, the Israelis said not today and went home. Not that four Israeli 15s wouldn't win out against 6 Russians....

Apparently, Putin was quoted as saying that Russia would "clip Israel's wings". I haven't bothered doing a confirmation on the threads points.

Personally, I'd send some F-35s and a half dozen 22s to Israel as a reminder that while Russia may be Syria's ally, Israel is the U.S.'s ally.

No response from Obama? Putin will push it just a bit farther...a little at a time.