zhangmaster: thanks for that link; it's interesting to me in two ways. First, I'd never heard of the TR-3B aircraft, but it sounds like a natural
candidate for the 'black triangle' phenomena, including my hometown favorite the phoenix lights (which got me back interested in UFOs even though I
didn't see them at the time and no longer live in phoenix).
Also, the mention of mercury plasma is interesting in it's own right; it's another piece of information to add to a thread I started a month or two
ago in which I noted a couple of disparate places mentioning mercury as a major part of ufo propulsion:
You don't happen to have the .pdf from your link laying around, do you? It looks like it's no longer hosted there -- probably the original host
moved to a new ISP from what I can figure out -- and although I can dig up the book in one of the libraries at my disposal (Boston has tons) it'd
certainly be more convenient if I just got the .pdf...
Some random thoughts on the article/contents:
I agree there might actually be something to spinning and antigravity; there's the infamous guy from finland (podlnekov?) with the rotating
superconducting disk and weak antigravity...that's apparently a pretty irreproducible effect for the moment, but since spinning really fast seems to
be part of every 'ufo' or similarly high-performance aircraft sighting on record (I'm excluding the aurora and other planes from high performance;
they're fast, but they can't stop on a dime, hover, accellerate almost instantaneously, etc...) I'm inclined to believe there might be something
about super high velocity spinning and antigravity (or propulsion by some other means we're overlooking).
For now, though, I'm not sure how to investigate further; since the podlnekov experiment is apparently pretty impossible to get working (you'd have
to believe in bigger conspiracies than I'm inclined to do to think all the journal results are fudge) and so either there's something else needed to
get it to work or you need a much bigger disk and correspondingly bigger power source; either way, I'm not inclined at the moment to buy a huge
superconducting ceramic disk, some vats of liquid nitrogen, some super-powerful motors, and get that thing spinning...even if I had space I couldn't
afford it, and without either some third-party confirmation of his initial results or some insight into what he needs to add it seems like his work's
a deadend street branching off of an interesting road, if you see what I'm saying.
So I'm skeptical about this rotation + superconduction -> antigravity, but for the moment if antigravity is possible some weird effect that pops out
at high rotational speeds is pretty much the only even mildly plausible 'lead' I've seen.
I need to think more about the mechanism described in the link before I post a conclusion...whatever I wind up thinking about it should be taken with
a grain of salt because I'm no physics expert by a long shot, but it might take me a few days to turn this one over in the back of my head. Offhand,
I'm definitely curious as to these things:
a) say this spinning mercury plasma reduces effective mass like claimed; how much energy does this take? As in, say I weigh 100 pounds and use this
machine to 'weigh' 11 pounds for a while; hw much energy does it take to make that change? how much does it take to keep weighing 11 pounds? This is
basically a conservation of mass and energy puzzle...do we have:
i) an antigravity system works by creating 'negative' gravity, which when added to the gravitational attraction felt by an object cancels some of
ii) an antigravity system works by directly reducing the impact of gravity on an object, thereby reducing its inertial mass (possibly by decoupling or
interfering with the coupling of gravitational and intertial mass...)
iii) something else?
In case of i) we might arguably need ungodly amounts of energy -- basically we wind up at the ugly end of the e = mc^2 for this, b/c we'd
hypothetically need .89 m c^2 for a 600 foot, mutiton vessel; that's probably more power output than the sun by a couple orders of magnitude), but in
case of ii) we'd apparently have a working free energy machine: reducing the intertial mass of an object by X effectively liberates X c^2 worth of
energy -- where it goes I can't say...maybe once you get it started the system's self-powering, which would be neat. Lord knows what other ways are
So I'd like to understand the TR-3B energetics if possible; the two 'how does antigravity work' mechanisms above are each pretty problematic
scenarios, the former b/c of the insane energy requirements and the latter because it's an apparent violation of the conservation of
If anyone particularly knowledgable about physics (which I'm not, unfortunately) cares to comment, it'd be greatly appreciated: it's all too likely
that either there's some fancy bookkeeping you can do to get around the conservation issues I think this raises or that there's a major conceptual
flaw with how i) would work...the more I think about antigravity the more it throws my limited understanding of the law of conservation of energy for
a total loop.
b) continuing a), what powers this thing?
c) the helical motion of some of the mercury plasma seems pretty believable; I'm thinking of a much nastier version of the whirlpools that form in
drains -- the overall body of fluid is rotating at speed X, but the walls of the whirlpool go much faster...(as radius goes to zero velocity increases
proportionally to 1/r...)...so now I'm wondering if:
i) like the article says you pull out the free electrons leaving a very positively charged plasma
ii) because it's self-repulsive, the plasma tries to spread out uniformly
iii) as you speed up the spinning, you have some way of narrowing the center of the spinning part to speed up the spirals around it...visual picture:
using magnetic confinement in an otherwise vacuum, you have the plasma trapped on the inside of a torus (or donut) entirely composed of magnetic
force, with a near vacuum where the hole is (maybe that's where something else goes...the electrons? mystical magical element 115) and inside the
torus the helical paths of mercury plasma are winding around the inner wall (ie, around the hole) and you can not only speed up the rotation of the
plasma but also narrow the hole's diameter to directly speed up the helical paths...
The above is a bit of a flight of fancy; you've basically got an all-magnet (read: no walls, just 'vacuum' and a magnetic field)
tokamak-like-thing, which you rotate (maybe by spinning the magnetic field to 'push' the plasma inside) and also have the option of narrowing the
inner hole's diameter to approach zero and thus push the helical jets of mercury plasma to insanely high speeds...not sure what this does for you
(maybe some kind of 'singularity' effect as the inner hole's radius goes to zero and the mercury streams start to self-intersect/crash into each
other). It'd make good science fiction or background info for a videogame, not sure that the physics actually make sense or that this design would
even be implementable...
Now I'm rambling and so am going to sign off for now...hopefully my wild speculation here hasn't ruined my good name or revealed too much of my
ignorance of physics. After I think about the stuff described at the rense link some more I'll post again if I think of anything more...thanks all,
this is turning into a real fun thread.