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Some of these people who perpetrate the violence never leave their neighborhoods. They never learn anything different than warzone conditions. My father was a gang member. And I remember clearly, he only ever went to certain places where his gang controlled. Never straying out of his self imposed prison. Because he feared being recognized by a rival and shot.
Just to also add. Chicago is becoming safer every year. Not because they have figured out how to stop the violence. But because they are making it too expensive for the gang members to live in the city. Rent gets raised. Richer people move in. Gang members move out to the suburbs.
originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: yuppa
I've been saying this for a long time. Label gangs a terrorist organization and hunt them down like dogs.
Go look at old picture of shoot outs from back in the day Bonnie and Clyde being a good example they lit them the F UP!
originally posted by: djz3ro
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: StoutBroux
After multiple weekends in a row of increased violence in the city, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel is urging a fresh and more proactive approach to gun control.
The guns aren't the murderers doing the killing. I bet not one of those firearms is controlled by lawful citizens.
Making guns more illegal isn't going to reduce crime. Killers know they have an edge when they are the only ones packing.
Yeah but if guns were illegal then people wouldn't be getting shot with such regularity. A quick fact check shows that there were more people killed by firearms in one of the incidents in the OP than the entire 2011/2 period for the WHOLE of the UK. I for one am glad to be raising my children in a country where firearms are a very rare.
originally posted by: superluminal11
a reply to: TOYBEAR
I think many CULT-ures and tribes got a little supremacist attitude going on.
Whatever happened to a good ole btchSLAP or getting in the ring and going 5 rounds?
Elementary (1-8): 232,825
Secondary (9-12): 112,007
Additional student information
Economically Disadvantaged Students: 86.02%
English Language Learners (ELL): 16.7%
Student racial makeup:
African American: 39.3%
Asian/Pacific Islander (retired): 0.01%
Hawaiian/Pacific Islander: 0.2%
Native American/Alaskan: 0.3%
Not Available: 0.6%
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: luthier
I said nothing about a government's duty to protect, I said the government doesn't have a duty to regulate human respect for life.
Police protection and instilling respect for life are not even remotely the same thing.
Well my comment was if the police were actually enough of a presence and the business protected on top of not attaching property tax as the major funding of schools these gangs wouldn't have such an easy time doing bad things.
Maybe a few stand your ground laws would help good people protect their stores and property too.
Obviously there are some better policing measures that would help. It's worth the extra money considering all the other waste that the government spends on things they aren't supposed to.
Researchers from the University of Illinois-Chicago on Thursday released the report entitled “Crime, Corruption and Cover-ups in the Chicago Police Department,” which details police corruption and offers remedies.
Officers Allege Widespread Corruption Inside Chicago Police Department
Chicago Police Dept. is the most corrupt Police Dept in the nation!!!
originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: karmicecstasy
I read a story a few years ago where a young woman that had been born and raised in America, went home to try to live in her father's native village in a country in Africa. Of course it was about her personal learning experience, but one of biggest cultural shocks for her was the accepted expectation that the whole village had, for the wealthier members of their community.
The people who had more, were expected to provide a way for the less fortunate to care for their families, without stripping them of their pride, worth and dignity. She was scolded when she cleaned her own house and tended to her own yard, because was stealing from the poorer members of her community. It was expected that she hired her less fortunate neighbors to work for her, and that she pay them what she could afford. Like what she would spend on a cup of Starbucks coffee or an ice cream cone from Cold Stone Creamery. To just give them the money was an extreme insult.
Now I can't remember the name of the book or even the name of the village or country for that matter, but I never forgot the ideology. Is it possible that we could work out a system where everyone would be able to work, own their own little cottages, maintain their dignity, and provide for their families? It surely would cost far less than all the failed social programs we have had to date. The huge question is who would be the loser in a system like that?
Obviously it would be extremely dangerous to allow such system; or it would seem, commonsense would have brought us closer to a more favorable system before now.
Chicago has maintained its first-place status, but not for something for which the city should be proud.
The city was once again named the corruption capital of America, according to a report released Thursday by the University of Illinois at Chicago.
Illinois was ranked as third most-corrupt state in the country. New York was the most corrupt state with 2,657 public corruption convictions from 1976 – 2013. California followed with 2,549 convictions and Illinois was third with 1,982.
"All of this corruption in Chicago and Illinois has real costs -- hard dollar costs and intangible costs," Dick Simpson, a political science professor at UIC and co-author of the report, said in a statement.
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originally posted by: karmicecstasy
a reply to: JDmOKI
I have to disagree on this one. While I hate gangbangers with a passion. Some of these kids can be shown the error of their ways. If you just pay attention to them and listen to what they have to say. Why they do what they do. I have personally helped many young people get out of the gang lifestyle.
I am not someone who just talks about it. I grew up in these gang infested hellholes. I got out. Since I got out. I still go into these war zones and actually try to help. Not all gang member deserves a bullet for being young and dumb. But some can not be helped and those are the ones who need to be stood up to.
I call gangbangers cowards to their face. Like I have said on here before. Not to brag, but I have had guns to my head. I have been shot at. I have been stabbed more than once. I have faced these problems. I have helped people. I have stood up to the gangs. I know what gangs control which blocks. I know the names of most of the gang chiefs. I know who all the drug dealers are. I know the problem first hand. But I would never advocated just killing everyone.
And like edumakated said. If I know all this. The police know all this. Its the culture of silence that stop the police finding this information in a way that is admissible and leads to a prosecution. It is bigger than just the gang members themselves. Its the people who associate with them.
Who are family members. Who buy drugs from them. Most of the drug users are from outside the neighborhood. The corrupt sheriffs that help them move weapons and drugs and offer protection. How do you think drugs get in jail? The alderman that do the same. I know of one alderman that is quite famous that i have on good authority helped a certain gang move guns in the eighties. I heard this from people who would know. But it is hearsay and nothing more. Because everyone involved will deny it. The shady lawyers who do the same. The outsiders who enable all this. Are we supposed to kill them all? Even the grandmas who just want to believe their grandson is not bad so they turn a blind eye, and let drugs be stored in their house.
This problem can not be solved by simply murdering every gang member. Fantasizing about doing so makes people part of the problem. Wishing death on people is part of the problem our whole culture faces. The gang problem is just one manifestation of this wider societal problem.