‘Pope Francis Thanked Me for My Courage’

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

Sure, why not. It is almost Halloween. Maybe her can borrow Bennidict's Red Prada shoes and wear his white dress. The midget queen could be the flower girl.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

I know of no indication that the DOJ will get involved. This is mostly being handled by the state of Kentucky.
I don't think she should be jailed. I think she should leave her job. Problem solved.

Pretty sure every lawsuit she has filed trying to go over the heads of state has been kicked back to the state.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

The objector not only objected for herself, she ordered her deputies to object, as well. She didn't allow any licenses to be issued from the office from June to her jail time.

I think that is debatable, at least I think that her lawyer would debate you on that. According to Matt Staver, all Davis wanted was accommodation. Which she has now received since her release from jail. Please send a link, to how kim Davis gets terminated. 60,000 grand sounds high for one day. I do not believe Kentucky allows recall, so what is the process?

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: harvestdog

She DOES have a right to conscientious objection. She does NOT have a right to hold a government job that she refuses to do. She does NOT have a right to deny others their constitutionally guaranteed rights.

Let her object all she wants, but get her out of that job!

So I guess you feel the same way about illegal aliens and those that are supposed to follow the law as far as escorting them out of this country? Sanctuary cities as well, right?
The Idiot in charge decided which laws he was going to follow and those he wasnt going to follow and Anarchy is now blossoming up and down the government.
Progressives the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

So in public the Pope spouts equality for all people. But in private he agrees with Kim Davis. The Pope is a hypocrite.

a reply to: windword

That is not proof of anything. If you watched the video in the link, with an eye, you would notice that big scaffold with the speakers in the back of your photo, does not match up. There are different scaffolds with speakers you would be able to see in the photo. The left side of the video to be certain.

Here is the video, for anyone wants to see. That is not the same event.

a reply to: butcherguy
You had a wise and honest Grandpaps. I don't understand how more people, don't realize the benefits of a personal relationship rather than a church experience. I can't stand churches, but I like knowing when I'm doing good someone is watching.

originally posted by: openyourmind1262
So in public the Pope spouts equality for all people. But in private he agrees with Kim Davis. The Pope is a hypocrite.

What did he agree with that person as far as you are aware? That he agrees with her stance, or he agrees with her making a stance based on her beliefs (even if it costs her job)? I wasn't there, neither were you and I'm fairly sure that you won't get a non biased answer from Kim Davis, so I wouldn't be so quick to make assumptions.

ETA: like many faiths, the Catholic church doesn't perform same sex marriages. I have seen nothing where the Pope has said that such marriages which are performed in a secular manner shouldn't be allowed - have you?

a reply to: harvestdog

That is not the same event.

Mat Staver, chairman of the Liberty Counsel, which legally represents her, praised her courage and claimed that 100,000 people had attended a prayer rally to support her in Peru.
Staver posted the following image at the summit to support his claim:

thinkprogress.org...

So, where's the proof that "REAL EVENT" even happened!

Pics or it never happened!

a reply to: theantediluvian

I get you, you have a good point on Breitbart. Perhaps they are more geared to Non-Religious Conservatives. Seems to me they are the ones with more sway in them. The conservatives I know are religious. They don't think much of the Pope, and they probably don't care for Catholics. Conservatism is an ideology deeply rooted in the past. If you aren't down for that, you are a heretic.

a reply to: windword

That is the proof of the event.
I showed your video, they don't match up.
Last year's video, is NOT this years rally!

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Harvestdog:

There are proper channels to go through when terminating the employment of a federal worker.

Benevolent Heretic:
She isn't a federal worker. She is a county clerk. A clerical position, like a government secretary for one county in Kentucky.

Thank you for catching that. Slip of the tongue probably. This relies so heavily on Federal Involvement. Kentucky voted against homosexual marriage. The Federal Supreme Court said otherwise. I appreciate your catching that. What is the course of removing her in KY?

i don't think she is going to resign. Maybe this is a chance for everyone to change Kentucky's recall abilities?

a reply to: Annee

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

I know of no indication that the DOJ will get involved. This is mostly being handled by the state of Kentucky.
I don't think she should be jailed. I think she should leave her job. Problem solved.

Annee:
Pretty sure every lawsuit she has filed trying to go over the heads of state has been kicked back to the state.

Could you explain what lawsuits Kim Davis has filed? We were talking about a DOJ case against Kim Davis for violating civil rights. Per 14th Amendment probably.

My two cents....

1) I've seen a few people on this thread state that those who celebrated this Pope for his seemingly left-leaning positions/statements will now feel awkward or uncomfortable. Why? That is, who is going to find anyone that they agree with 100% on 100% of the issues? Whether it is a Pope or a political candidate or a coworker or a dog walker. Typically even two spouses in a happy marriage don't see completely eye to eye on every issue.

2) I find it odd that when a Pope meets with prisoners in jail for committing all sorts of horrible deeds, nobody bats an eye. But the Pope (of which I am not a fan, to be candid) meets with this Davis character, and people are getting all worked. So strange.

a reply to: nfflhome

This is a very good argument on picking which part of the law they get to choose.
Star to you!
If you are not progressive you are regressive.
If you are progressive you love the poor, downtrodden, and utterly lame.
If you are regressive-conservative you hate the same.
Whatever, their polls are off because Me and my Conservative folks have too much going on, than to answer a 40 question poll on the phone with some jack squat I've never met.

a reply to: theantediluvian

I think the Pope is a relevant guest speaker for congress. I think he has a lot of progressive ideas, as well. When he discusses conscientious objection we have to remember that there are times, even today, when certain governments are less moral than the Catholic Church.

The issue with gay marriage is that a pretty good case can be made for supporting gay rights to be more progressive than the Catholic Church's stance on the issue. But there are other parts of the world, for example the Middle East, where the government might be engaged in actions less progressive than the Catholic Church.

a reply to: harvestdog

That is the proof of the event.

No it's not! There is NO proof to back up Kim Davis' legal team's claim that 100K people got together to rally and pray for Kim Davis, in Peru!

That's an out and out lie!

All or nothing huh? It's entirely possible to agree with the Pope about most things and disagree on some things. If the Pope met with her and praised her strength and courage, then I disagree with him supporting her and would contend that maybe he doesn't fully understand our Constitution.

a reply to: windword

Liberty Counsel has admitted that the Peru photo is a different event.

Think Progress

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The pope has many good ideas that are refreshing coming from the most conservative organization on the planet, but then again he DOES represent the most conservative organization on the planet. It's not inconceivable to see that the pope will still have outdated beliefs as well.

It's the price we all pay for tolerance I guess - and trying our best to get along when we otherwise wouldn't. I love his take on some things - I see things differently in other areas. Like this one

Still - at the risk of sounding like an apologist for the pope:

“It is a right,” Francis said. “And if a person does not allow others to be a conscientious objector, he denies a right.

It's hard to argue with that. The only thing that stands in the way of our considering that her position is one of conscience is the fact that we don't like or agree with her position

If I were about to be drafted into a war I didn't believe in - some might call me a traitor and a coward

The difference is that she's not facing the possibility of either killing someone or being killed herself. Does that make a difference?

I dunno - tough call :-)

Interesting to think about