Russians tell US to remove warplanes from Syria, senior official says

a reply to: DJW001

And Syria is rife with terrorism ,Russia, Iran and yes China involvement is not just a coincidence.
These member countries all have a vested interests to support each other and stay together
rather than your "analysis" ,more accurately your opinion/preference, to abandon Russia altogether with the delusion it will make them stronger.

Does anyone really believe Syria, is going to have a peaceful ending?

I do not. Considering that region is war torn at the moment, Iraq is unstable and the politics in that region makes no sense, it is just a matter of time. Also considering we have many oil fields in this area, it is not rocket science to see what is really in play here..

Just listen.

a reply to: Bicent76

Does anyone really believe Syria, is going to have a peaceful ending?

Not for the Syrians no. And it is going to get much worse for the Syrian population in the weeks to come.

- Be prepared for the US update... Evil Russians 3.0

a reply to: all2human

Please explain why you believe it would be in the interest of China to load troops onto ships, send them through the Straits of Mollucca, controlled as it is by the United States and Britain, then through the Suez Canal, the control of which is in the hands of a nation that may radically change its policy towards Syria at any moment, in order to participate in a civil war in which it has no assets at stake. I have explained the reasons for my position. Please explain yours.

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: DJW001

And Syria is rife with terrorism ,Russia, Iran and yes China involvement is not just a coincidence.
These member countries all have a vested interests to support each other and stay together
rather than your "analysis" ,more accurately your opinion/preference, to abandon Russia altogether with the delusion it will make them stronger.

I agree with you, there is also a Chinese ship that is watching the situation on the coast, they are evaluating the situation before they make thier move.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord

originally posted by: all2human
a reply to: DJW001

And Syria is rife with terrorism ,Russia, Iran and yes China involvement is not just a coincidence.
These member countries all have a vested interests to support each other and stay together
rather than your "analysis" ,more accurately your opinion/preference, to abandon Russia altogether with the delusion it will make them stronger.

I agree with you, there is also a Chinese ship that is watching the situation on the coast, they are evaluating the situation before they make thier move.

No there isn't! I have linked to an article where that Russian lie is definitively disproved. At this point you are either being willfully ignorant or knowingly spreading disinformation.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Anyone notice this whole situation may be a distraction?

According to the BBC the Ukrainian rebels just took delivery of some new MLRS platforms...

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34425454

originally posted by: Elysarian
Anyone notice this whole situation may be a distraction?

According to the BBC the Ukrainian rebels just took delivery of some new MLRS platforms...

www.bbc.com...

Yes, it is a distraction. Putin wants to look like a peacemaker instead of an aggressor for a change.

There are multiple nations, with diverse or opposing interests, currently operating in Syria. The Saudi-Qatar-Turkey-NATO coalition backed rebels (FSA, Al-Nusra etc) intend to overthrow Assad and have been trying to do so for the past 4 years. IS, allegedly backed by the gulf sheikdoms, has already captured huge swathes of territories spanning Iraq and Syria. The Assad regime until recently was backed by Iranian advisers and Hezbollah in order to replenish the lost manpower of SAA in this high attrition conflict. Syria already presented a grim prospect of a regional middle east war. Now the scope of this conflict has expanded even further with the deployment of Russian air force and naval assets in Syria. China is apparently sending its naval vessel to the region and Iran will be most likely deploying a ground force for a possible major offensive against rebels.

One must remember that Syria has already suffered a WMD disaster in the form of a deadly chemical weapons attack on its civilians in 2013. Hence, this place has already crossed the Rubicon as far as the use of unconventional weapons or WMD on its territory is concerned.

a reply to: order in chaos

Nice summary, but China is not sending a vessel:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: order in chaos
There are multiple nations, with diverse or opposing interests, currently operating in Syria. The Saudi-Qatar-Turkey-NATO coalition backed rebels (FSA, Al-Nusra etc) intend to overthrow Assad and have been trying to do so for the past 4 years. IS, allegedly backed by the gulf sheikdoms, has already captured huge swathes of territories spanning Iraq and Syria. The Assad regime until recently was backed by Iranian advisers and Hezbollah in order to replenish the lost manpower of SAA in this high attrition conflict. Syria already presented a grim prospect of a regional middle east war. Now the scope of this conflict has expanded even further with the deployment of Russian air force and naval assets in Syria. China is apparently sending its naval vessel to the region and Iran will be most likely deploying a ground force for a possible major offensive against rebels.

One must remember that Syria has already suffered a WMD disaster in the form of a deadly chemical weapons attack on its civilians in 2013. Hence, this place has already crossed the Rubicon as far as the use of unconventional weapons or WMD on its territory is concerned.

You are correct on all counts China is on the outside looking in and may join the conflict sooner than later. As to weapons of mass destruction your statment reminds me of some explosions I saw earlier in Syria.


Possible Nuclear Attack on Syria 2013


Possible NUCLEAR STRIKE SYRIA 2013

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

You are correct on all counts China is on the outside looking in and may join the conflict sooner than later.

At this point, you must realize that you are lying or delusional:

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi called for a new peace conference on Syria, urging U.N. Security Council nations to “unite and seek the opportunity to politically solve the Syrian crisis as the parties are showing more willingness to do so.”

foreignpolicy.com...

So why then is China not being pulled into Iraq and Syria? My view is that it is a strategic calculation, not an ideological one. The perceived threats don't justify the risk of significant involvement in Iraq and Syria.

Although China imports significant amounts of oil from Iraq, its supply is not yet affected by the country's turmoil. China's main oil assets are in the relatively stable south, and they are producing record amounts of oil. Perhaps future threats to oil assets would provide sufficient motivation for Chinese involvement (it did in Sudan), but the world is currently awash with oil.

The direct threat from ISIS is seen as more ideological than operational. ISIS and other global terrorist organisations have offered moral support for the Uyghur cause, but this hasn't translated into operational support. In fact, numerous Chinese observers indicated to me that ideological propaganda is the biggest security threat emanating from the Middle East (and Afghanistan/Pakistan too) – extremist propaganda from global organisations influencing dissatisfied Chinese Uyghurs in Xinjiang. It is unclear to these analysts that the degradation or defeat of ISIS would stop the ideological threat. The preferred method instead is to clamp down internally in China and stop the threat there.

Finally, Chinese questions remain over the efficacy of a military solution in Iraq and Syria. China has watched interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 15 years and the outcomes have not filled Chinese observers who I speak to with confidence. The risks of involvement do not currently match the perceived threats. So while the capture of a Chinese hostage will likely cause much hand-wringing in Beijing, it is not likely to change China's strategic calculus in Iraq and Syria. Non-interference is simply a good justification.

www.lowyinterpreter.org...

And the push to have the USA set up a no fly zone over Syria continues.. . .


Clinton, Cotton, McCain & Fiorina Suggest No-Fly Zones Against Russia & Syria

a reply to: FormOfTheLord

I didn't listen to the vid, but if there is a no-fly zone, then it should include the allies. One size fits all. The situation is not getting any better with all the proxies going on........... Syria is being used.

originally posted by: FormOfTheLord
And the push to have the USA set up a no fly zone over Syria continues.. . .

Clinton, Cotton, McCain & Fiorina Suggest No-Fly Zones Against Russia & Syria

And no one cares what they say. They're finished there. They have the blood toll of hundreds of thousands of free and sovereign people. And Libya is an example of their prowess, the horror those people went through, the children impaled, things you can't even imagine, and a free women shoved in burqa's and used as sex slaves.

Well they can shove it!

Russia is invited in, Iranian ground troops, invited in, by the legal government of the sovereign nation. Their presence is legal, not so Murder Incorporated Western crapola. They've sent modern countries back to pre Christian era, and primitive state.

www.express.co.uk...
ISIS left so weakened by airstrikes and desertion it could be wiped out in just HOURS


Russian army: 50 Daesh (ISIL) positions targeted inside Syria

And about freaking time!

Also Russians are missing ISIS targets and targeting military and civilian alike we know Russian hardware are mainly su 34 and MBT but if it is a prelude or the start of massacring civilians like Russia has done so in the past it proberly will lead to WW3 eventually and it would be America who started first as my guess is America destroys Russia hardware as act of defiance leading to all scale continental war some time after Christmas this year watch this post if this thread survives and WW3 does happen all I can say is stay underground remember the reason and wait for it to clear stock up keep sane and above all keep it togather

lugia
UK

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: Elysarian
Anyone notice this whole situation may be a distraction?

According to the BBC the Ukrainian rebels just took delivery of some new MLRS platforms...

www.bbc.com...

Yes, it is a distraction. Putin wants to look like a peacemaker instead of an aggressor for a change.

Yes, Ukraine is bad and it is also a different war and a different subject. Stop linking the two all the time.

America just bombed an MSF hospital in Afghanistan killing several MSF workers. But nobody is jumping up and down calling Obama a tyrant and a war monger are they?

a reply to: markosity1973

Yes, Ukraine is bad and it is also a different war and a different subject. Stop linking the two all the time.

So... in your opinion, it is wrong to link the actions of a nation if they are involved in more than one war?

America just bombed an MSF hospital in Afghanistan killing several MSF workers. But nobody is jumping up and down calling Obama a tyrant and a war monger are they?

Funny... you just did.