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originally posted by: Aleister
I dunno. Can a ship's captain legally refuse to marry same-sex couples?
Let me quote from the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 32, Subtitle A, Chapter VI, Subchapter A, Part 700, Subpart G, Rule 716, also known as 32 CFR 700.716):
"The commanding officer shall not perform a marriage ceremony on board his ship or aircraft. He shall not permit a marriage ceremony to be performed on board when the ship or aircraft is outside the territory of the United States, except: (a) In accordance with local laws … and (b) In the presence of a diplomatic or consular official of the United States."
Similarly, the official logbook supplied to ships' captains by the British Mercantile Marine Office warns that shipboard marriages performed by the captain are not legal. If the ship is registered in New York state, the captain can be fined or imprisoned.
originally posted by: buster2010
If the ship is outside American territorial waters then they should be able to refuse. If they are in our waters then they should have to follow our laws. So is Kim Davis planning on becoming a ship captain now?
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: Aleister
This is interesting. I think the idea that a ship captain can perform legal marriages is a rumor!
Source
Let me quote from the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 32, Subtitle A, Chapter VI, Subchapter A, Part 700, Subpart G, Rule 716, also known as 32 CFR 700.716):
"The commanding officer shall not perform a marriage ceremony on board his ship or aircraft. He shall not permit a marriage ceremony to be performed on board when the ship or aircraft is outside the territory of the United States, except: (a) In accordance with local laws … and (b) In the presence of a diplomatic or consular official of the United States."
Similarly, the official logbook supplied to ships' captains by the British Mercantile Marine Office warns that shipboard marriages performed by the captain are not legal. If the ship is registered in New York state, the captain can be fined or imprisoned.
However — and this is the interesting part — this myth is so widely believed, not only among the general public but among sailors, that both the United States Navy and the British Mercantile Marine Office have taken the extraordinary step of explicitly forbidding captains to do free-lance weddings.
What about non-Navy captains, though? Well that depends on the captain. They can't perform marriages at sea (or on dry land) by virtue of their maritime license alone, and no state has enacted a statute explicitly authorizing ships' captains to officiate marriages. However, if a captain also falls into one of the categories of "persons qualified to solemnize marriages" prescribed in laws of the state they're in, then they're good to go.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: Aleister
This is interesting. I think the idea that a ship captain can perform legal marriages is a rumor!
Source
Let me quote from the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 32, Subtitle A, Chapter VI, Subchapter A, Part 700, Subpart G, Rule 716, also known as 32 CFR 700.716):
"The commanding officer shall not perform a marriage ceremony on board his ship or aircraft. He shall not permit a marriage ceremony to be performed on board when the ship or aircraft is outside the territory of the United States, except: (a) In accordance with local laws … and (b) In the presence of a diplomatic or consular official of the United States."
Similarly, the official logbook supplied to ships' captains by the British Mercantile Marine Office warns that shipboard marriages performed by the captain are not legal. If the ship is registered in New York state, the captain can be fined or imprisoned.
originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: butcherguy
Only if they have taken the legal steps to become a legal officiate, can they legally marry anyone. The fact that they captain a boat does not bestow them with legal authority to marry someone.
Can a Boat Captain Really Marry People?
What about non-Navy captains, though? Well that depends on the captain. They can't perform marriages at sea (or on dry land) by virtue of their maritime license alone, and no state has enacted a statute explicitly authorizing ships' captains to officiate marriages. However, if a captain also falls into one of the categories of "persons qualified to solemnize marriages" prescribed in laws of the state they're in, then they're good to go.
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
In international waters, where national law does not apply, the Captain being head of the vessel has authority over his ship and its occupants.
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
In international waters, where national law does not apply, the Captain being head of the vessel has authority over his ship and its occupants.
In international waters the vessel is still under the jurisdiction of the laws of the country in which it is flagged.
originally posted by: butcherguy
What if ya fly the Jolly Roger, Matey?
Arrgh!
originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
In international waters, where national law does not apply, the Captain being head of the vessel has authority over his ship and its occupants.
In international waters the vessel is still under the jurisdiction of the laws of the country in which it is flagged.
originally posted by: sycomix
Well I used to have boats/ships that would cross international water lines, Once in open waters I was basically sovereign eg. my boat my law.
(1)The high seas, any other waters within the admiralty and maritime jurisdiction of the United States and out of the jurisdiction of any particular State, and any vessel belonging in whole or in part to the United States or any citizen thereof, or to any corporation created by or under the laws of the United States or of any State, Territory, District, or possession thereof, when such vessel is within the admiralty and maritime jurisdiction of the United States and out of the jurisdiction of any particular State.