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Failure to Retain God in our Knowledge has led to to Societal Degrade

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posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:19 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

It's in the OP...of this thread...where it says the videos weren't manipulated...

Did you read the article or just come into a thread that had God in the title ready to attack?




posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: luthier

Well you bring up slavery but negate the influence of Christianity in abolishing slavery and establishing civil rights. Slavery existed in all cultures. Probably because man power was the oil of its day. I say Marxism when speaking of dialectical materialism. If we subscribe to materialism than a might makes right view is the only defensible position and has justified many atrocities for the greater good. This is why some type of spirituality is vital for a culture.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:28 PM
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If you religious folk didn't have religion in your life would you immediately turn into anti social criminals? Of course not. So let's not use it as your excuse for being good. It makes you look bad. You don't need a belief system to be moral, how do you think the human race survived for so long without religion.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: woodwardjnr

Well the question is flawed as they have already been exposed to institutionalized morality. Just as you yourself have.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
How can people openly discuss the sale and use of Aborted fetuses?


Exactly!!!

It clearly states in Torah, Bible and Qur'an that you have to wait until baby gets born to be able to sell it?!




rarebible.wordpress.com...

Exodus 21:1 “These are the laws you are to set before them:

Hebrew Servants
2 “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything. 3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.
5 “But if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ 6 then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.

7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. 11 If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money.

20 “If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, 21 but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.

Lev 25:1 The LORD said to Moses on Mount Sinai…

Lev 25:39 ” ‘If one of your countrymen becomes poor among you and sells himself to you, do not make him work as a slave. 40 He is to be treated as a hired worker or a temporary resident among you; he is to work for you until the Year of Jubilee. 41 Then he and his children are to be released, and he will go back to his own clan and to the property of his forefathers. 42 Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. 43 Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.

etc.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: woodwardjnr

So without threat of penalty from the state you are saying people would be loving and peaceful to each other at all times?



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: woodwardjnr


When did the "so long without religion" time happen? Specifically what documented era had no kind of spirituality or religion of sorts?

I get what you're saying, people should just be good because it's right.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:37 PM
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originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: luthier

Well you bring up slavery but negate the influence of Christianity in abolishing slavery and establishing civil rights. Slavery existed in all cultures. Probably because man power was the oil of its day. I say Marxism when speaking of dialectical materialism. If we subscribe to materialism than a might makes right view is the only defensible position and has justified many atrocities for the greater good. This is why some type of spirituality is vital for a culture.



But the point is people were more religious back then and we are less now by the op. Were slave owners all Atheists.

I completely understand none of the atrocities done were prescribed by Christianity. However people had been going to church more and had more religion in their lives. This is in regards to the op.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: woodwardjnr
If you religious folk didn't have religion in your life would you immediately turn into anti social criminals? Of course not. So let's not use it as your excuse for being good. It makes you look bad. You don't need a belief system to be moral, how do you think the human race survived for so long without religion.

Some do not need such but billions do need such.

Ever heard of murder porn?

Think about it.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: woodwardjnr

So without threat of penalty from the state you are saying people would be loving and peaceful to each other at all times?


Thats social contract stuff. Opinions very by philosopher. Leviathon was different than Roseau social contract.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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I don't know if people were more religious I would wager you may be right. I just don't see how we would have ended slavery without moral outcry from the religious people. It was even justified through junk science like racial theories.

You bring up one glaring issue slavery but fail to see the effects of religion on the general populace. People were more familial, communal, pious( easy to do when not exposed to 24/7 T&A through the TV). The old cliche of not having to lock the doors. Religion was the only place people could be educated and thus uplifted them.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: luthier

I don't know if people were more religious I would wager you may be right. I just don't see how we would have ended slavery without moral outcry from the religious people. It was even justified through junk science like racial theories.

You bring up one glaring issue slavery but fail to see the effects of religion on the general populace. People were more familial, communal, pious( easy to do when not exposed to 24/7 T&A through the TV). The old cliche of not having to lock the doors. Religion was the only place people could be educated and thus uplifted them.


Sure. That is all true. But my point is its not religion alone or no religion. Europeans are very family oriented hence all the time and accommodations for the family. They follow the same trends.

I believe teaching philosophy or theology is important to ethics. But either one will do



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: NihilistSanta

Religious people are hardly loving and peaceful. Not the impression I get from religious members of ATS I'm atheist and and don't need religion to be be a good person. Shame so many of you do. The golden rule has existed throughout humanity since the first humans existed. How do you think remote tribes have existed for so long, without the influence of Christianity.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: luthier

Europeans have had 2000ish years of religious influence so I would expect that sort of behavior.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: woodwardjnr

Through religious customs and beliefs. They aren't atheist tribes.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: woodwardjnr

a reply to: NihilistSanta

Religious people are hardly loving and peaceful. Not the impression I get from religious members of ATS I'm atheist and and don't need religion to be be a good person. Shame so many of you do. The golden rule has existed throughout humanity since the first humans existed. How do you think remote tribes have existed for so long, without the influence of Christianity.



Just be careful you aren't just doing what you are saying about religious people. Obviously many religious people are kind. I am an agnostic Diest but have an Aunt who is a nun and has gone to places nobody dares to take care of the poor and sick.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: luthier

Europeans have had 2000ish years of religious influence so I would expect that sort of behavior.



Yet they don't go to church the same,..nor was their history of religion very sunny.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: woodwardjnr

a reply to: NihilistSanta

Religious people are hardly loving and peaceful. Not the impression I get from religious members of ATS I'm atheist and and don't need religion to be be a good person. Shame so many of you do. The golden rule has existed throughout humanity since the first humans existed. How do you think remote tribes have existed for so long, without the influence of Christianity.



I am always worried when someone mention moral and then religion and/or religious book, as those things are filled with hate, immoral, genocide and what not... IMHO, all those should be rated MA and placed on the same shelf as other fantasy books of similar quality.

Moral and some basic principles existed before religion, and religion just does not hold on moral ground, not after centuries of bloody wars, slavery, which hunts, killing of everything they did not like... or viewed as threat to god or institution...



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: SuperFrog

originally posted by: woodwardjnr

a reply to: NihilistSanta

Religious people are hardly loving and peaceful. Not the impression I get from religious members of ATS I'm atheist and and don't need religion to be be a good person. Shame so many of you do. The golden rule has existed throughout humanity since the first humans existed. How do you think remote tribes have existed for so long, without the influence of Christianity.



I am always worried when someone mention moral and then religion and/or religious book, as those things are filled with hate, immoral, genocide and what not... IMHO, all those should be rated MA and placed on the same shelf as other fantasy books of similar quality.

Moral and some basic principles existed before religion, and religion just does not hold on moral ground, not after centuries of bloody wars, slavery, which hunts, killing of everything they did not like... or viewed as threat to god or institution...


The books usually aren't filled with those things. It's the churches and power structures that misled the people.



posted on Sep, 29 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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How do you think remote tribes have existed for so long, without the influence of Christianity.

I think you are making a false implication.

The tribal life comes with rules and customs.

That is the heart of the debate over the decaying of such.

Many hold to a certain set of customs and morality while others claim they never existed or were needed.




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