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While Vatican Revisits CATHOLIC DIVORCE Pope Francis Just Expedited Annulment Process

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posted on Sep, 27 2015 @ 10:27 PM
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I thought Divorce goes directly against Catholicism?

And yet, almost ONE THIRD of Catholics get divorced, anyway, not even including annulments.

11 million Catholics in America who've ever divorced 'are forced' to remarry in another Church if they decide to. Even if still identify as Catholics.

www.nytimes.com...



the Vatican has begun a remarkable re-examination of the church’s treatment of worshipers whose marriages have broken apart.


In other news:

www.npr.org...



n a sharp revision of Catholic policy, Pope Francis rewrote the process of annulling a marriage within the church on Tuesday, issuing two apostolic letters aimed at speeding and simplifying what has often been a process lasting more than a year.

The Catholic Church still doesn't recognize divorce, but the new changes promise to make it easier to annul marriages that are deemed invalid by a church court, by using a process that is "more agile," the Vatican says.

Under the new rules, only one judgment will be required before a marriage is determined invalid and annulled. And in cases where both parties agree, an annulment can be expedited by a bishop. Pope Francis also ordered that the courts waive most of the fees that in the past have regularly cost hundreds of dollars for cases in the U.S.


The current divorce rate of nearly 1 in 3 Catholic marriages sounds rather high IMO even though its apparently lower than the 'general population' in America.

Does allowing Catholic divorce change 'Catholicism'? Will it ever happen? If so, what else will the authority on Catholicism allow?





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posted on Sep, 27 2015 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: Milah

The church was never supposed to force people to stay married. It was always supposed to be a choice made by believers. If they ever stop believing that they should remain married they are permitted divorce.

It is strongly discouraged, and the church should do everything to try to help the couple reconcile. But if reconciliation is impossible the church should not be forcing people to stay together.



posted on Sep, 27 2015 @ 11:20 PM
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Pope Francis is a "family" pope so divorce might still be discouraged because of the adverse effect on the children involved, however today people (young people not really old people) have a hard time staying "in tune" with each other and oftentimes feel a huge sense of freedom getting out of a unsuccessful marriage. yes people did leave the church not too long ago because finding out they were not compatible with their spouse was an awful experience for both parties involved. it will continue to be a problem for some people.



posted on Sep, 27 2015 @ 11:51 PM
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Id agree current divorce rates are high, Catholic or not and it has a negative impact on kids for potentially rest of life. Virtually all of my cousins whose parents ever divorced, have they themselves gone thru a divorce already and they're barely in their mid 20s

Waiving fees might encourage more and more people to take divorce/annulment and thus consequences of marriage lighter than they already do.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:36 AM
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You're on a catholic trip tonight aren't you?

lifting the load on fee's isn't going to make it one way or the other. Divorce will still continue, whether it's catholic, Baptist, atheist, whatever.

I was married in the catholic church. I was also divorced. I can still get married in the catholic church should I annul my marriage. I have grounds according to the rules that will let my first marriage be annulled and remarry in the church if I so choose. If I didn't have proper grounds, then it would be harder IF I wanted to get married in the catholic church again. The pope is simply trying to make it to where it's not so hard as to not discourage it's flock to stick with the church and go elsewhere. On one hand, I see it as trying to keep Catholics from going somewhere else. On the other hand, I see it as his track record for not wanting to judge and offer up more forgiveness for the people.

It's like making you say 5 Hail Mary's instead of 10.

This is where people in the church are being divided. The laws were always tough in the catholic church. He's making the laws less burdensome and many in this church are seeing it as giving out free passes where once it's was tough for lessons sake.

In a church where things have been hard going on any kind of change, once change starts taking place, people tend to feel that you're watering down their beliefs and ways. The same applies to pretty much everything in todays world.
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posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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Interesting phenomenon!

Didnt think that was an option, marry catholic, GET DIVORCED then annul the marriage. I suppose the 'DIVORCE' would just be a legal one mean while annulment is an option retroactively if there are 'grounds' even after Divorce.

Where there's a Will, there's a Way!

Will we ever see where Catholic Church 'accept' DIVORCE and allows re-marriage in the Catholic church *without* annulment?

Will we ever see Catholic Church 'accept' GAY MARRIAGE?

Obviously, 1 out of 3 ''Catholics' gets DIVORCED. Are those Catholics automatically less 'Catholic'? Are they Catholic?

Likewise, around 1 in 10 persons is non-heterosexual, that's around 10% of the population; and I would fathom 10% Catholics are GAYS. Are Gay Catholics automatically less 'Catholic'? Are same-sex married Gays automatically less Catholic? Are they Catholic at all?



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 10:33 PM
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You wrote: "Pope Francis is a "family" pope so divorce might still be discouraged because of the adverse effect on the children involved, however today people (young people not really old people) have a hard time staying "in tune" with each other and oftentimes feel a huge sense of freedom getting out of a unsuccessful marriage..."

The Catholic position is based on an apodictic law ('thou shalt not...") placed into the mouth of R. Yohoshua bar Yosef the Galilean ("Jesus") in the gospels - and this is from someone who rarely offered such "thou shalt not" commands, which boils down to 'divorce is utterly unthinkable' i.e. 'let the wife be reconciled with the husband..." (1 Cor. 7) or with the idiom taken from the garment industry p[laced into the mouth of "Jesus" - "what the Most High has woven together, let no son of man unravel..." (cf: Mark 10:9)

See Mark 10:11 = 'and he said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her...and they say to him 'what happens if a man is already divorced?" And he said to them, then let the wife be reconciled to her husband..."

Matt 19:9 Amen Amen I say to you that whoever divorces his wife [except for promiscuity] and marries another woman, commits adultery..."

Luke 16:18 "any man who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery. And anyone who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery..."

Matthew alone allows a 'chicken exit' for a woman who cannot spill her intact hymen's blood on a prepared piece of cloth on the wedding night (i.e. cannot be proved to be a virgin) see the subject of chastity (Bethulim) discussed in Deuteronomy chapter 22 (Bethulah means 'virgin') and הדם שנשפך בליל החתונה cf: the subject of Namus ('honour, chastity') in modern Muslim countries...

But the other 2 synoptic gospels of Mark and Luke know of NO exceptions - Divorce is adultery, which carries with it the death penalty in the eyes of 'Jesus"

Why R. Yehoshua had taken such a strong stance against divorce may be due to personal experience within his own family...and the Catholic Church cannot condone it technically because of the words placed into the mouth of "Jesus" on the subject...

And to me, the idea of getting an annulment is just spitting on the words of "Jesus" who would never condone it.







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posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 10:49 PM
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originally posted by: Sigismundus
a reply to: blacktie

Divorce is adultery, which carries with it the death penalty in the eyes of 'Jesus"

And to me, the idea of getting an annulment is just spitting on the words of "Jesus" who would never condone it.



Wow have times changed!

Nowadays in practically all USA states, even ADULTERY (sexual cheating on a marriage?) isn't considered a crime.

Is fornication also ground for death penalty, when not followed by swift marriage between the two fornicators?



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: Milah

You wrote : "Wow have times changed ! Nowadays in practically all USA states, even ADULTERY (sexual cheating on a marriage?) isn't considered a crime...."

Interestingly persons such as Anita Bryant back in the 1970s came out against gay couples engaged in sex saying it 'went against what the bible teaches' yet, oddly, she had NO problem divorcing her first husband then promptly marrying another man, despite what "Jesus" explicitly says on the subject of divorce and remarriagein the Synoptic gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke....

'Fundamentalist Christians' who are divorced and remarried would rather not be reminded to read the Bible too closely on these little factoids !!!!!



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 06:26 AM
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a reply to: Milah

A VALID marriage can never end in divorce. This is to what The Gospel refers, and what The Catholic Church teaches.

A declaration of nullity (catholic divorce) means that, on the day of the marriage, one of the spouses was not predisposed to entering a lifelong, sacramental marriage. This makes the marriage null and void, as if it never happened. A few examples would be; if one of the spouses were addicted to drugs or alcohol, if one was secretly attracted to the same gender, and cAme out later, or if the marriage was under duress, in other words, someone was being forced to marry. There are roughly a dozen valid reasons, that if proven, makes a marriage null and void. This is an annulment. It looks at the conditions on the day of the marriage, not what follows afterwards.

There are quite a few "married" Catholics...living in invalid sacramental marriages. They may have changed their ways, but on the day of their marriage, were in no way predisposed to the sacrament. These folks should renew their vows.



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