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Germany in a state of SIEGE

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posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 10:45 AM
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To the handful of deniers here:

It is painfully obvious that it doesn't matter what evidence you are shown, what the source is, or how many instances there are. I have no idea why you are rabid in your quest to deny this is happening. Its on the news. Its in the papers. Its on the radio. Government officials are talking about it. Citizens are talking about it. Aid workers and volunteers are talking about it. But somehow, you few are apparently privy to some information the rest of the world, including the people living this nightmare right now, are not privy to. Uh huh.

I have asked you to be as diligent as you demand me to be. Provide credible links, and cite your references. You have failed miserably. All I saw was one link to a pathetic so-called study of questionable origin.

So this is where we are: stay on topic, post something relevant and factual, or leave. If you are going to call a post hyperbole or anecdotal, offer something besides hyperbole and anecdote to prove your point or don't bother posting in the first place.

You set very high standards in regards to what I and others here have to meet to satisfy your expectations, and even then you still deny the obvious. The table has now officially turned. Those same high standards are now on you to meet. If you post denial, you had best be able to document it to MY standards. If all you offer is an opinion, you already stated that and its not necessary to repeat it.

Thank you for staying on topic and following proper decorum.




posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: 8675309jenny




More than 137 people were raped by immigrants in Sweden by LAST YEAR ALONE.


You didn't just compare rape to murder, did you? Is that your argument now? How many muslim extremists killed Germans since 1989? None?

We didn't talk about all the other cases of right-wing extremist violence yet. So you think all the numbers are wrong and there is not a single problem with this oldest form of terrorism in Germany?

You are funny indeed. Let's have a beer at times, that would suit our bearts perfectly.

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posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 11:10 AM
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a reply to: 8675309jenny

You forgot Saudi-Arabia, just to name another player.

So... you wanna blaim the jews and think rape is murder?
Ahja. Whatever.
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posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel




You are in denial. Quit mashing daddies keyboard and go read a book.

You wouldn't know truth if it bit you on the butt.

How will you be paying for todays session? - I take pay-pal, credit cards, and cash if you have three forms of ID.


And you must be in a state of worship for our Viktator Orban then. He likes to break EU-laws and you feel for him, we know that by now.

Yes, I inherited that keyboard and I will keep spreading the word. Why not? Different opinions are nothing you can work with? So what? Grow up and take a walk outside your mum's basement, get some air!



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 11:24 AM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

Orban is doing his best for his people, he tried with the refugees, they spat in his metaphorical face. Hungary is not a rich country, it couldn't afford to keep any more refugees than they have and had to do something about the economic refugees pouring in through Serbia from Albania & Macedonia. It was right to do so in my opinion, for the safety and health of everyone involved. Hungary was not prepared for such a HUGE influx of people and simply didn't have the resources.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel
I have asked you to be as diligent as you demand me to be. Provide credible links, and cite your references. You have failed miserably. All I saw was one link to a pathetic so-called study of questionable origin.


Comes from a guy who quoted Daily Fail in the OP. Every single german member on this thread has debunked everything your OP claims. GERMANY IS NOT UNDER SIEGE. But no,you made this thread so likeminded could star and flag,bash muslims and whatnot. You are not interested in opinios different than yours and facts provided . Once again,i invite you..come to Germany, ill buy a beer or two. Lets visit a refugee camp,talk to people who are there..you'll change your mind. Peace
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posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 12:00 PM
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a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Viktator Orban is breaking laws and those people just wanna head further north, but he welcomed them with violence. Besides.. I don't think anybody in their right mind wants to stay in a police-state, where law & order and freedom of the press are only parts of a much brighter hungarian past.

 


a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Daily Fail, chuckle away!



Great post, I'll pay the first round of beer for everyone who accompanies us on that little trip.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 12:17 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel


Ignorant is continually ignoring the fact that this thread is about the violence and potential terrorist acts of refugees and extremists pretending to be refugees flooding in to Germany.

Well they should have thought about that before participating with NATO in all violence that led to the "flood of refugees". You're worried about the potential violence from displaced persons, I'd be more concerned about the reactions from thugs as portrayed here.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Spot on!

Additional info regarding the NSU-terror:



Operation Gladio, strategy of tension:






posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
I have asked you to be as diligent as you demand me to be. Provide credible links, and cite your references. You have failed miserably. All I saw was one link to a pathetic so-called study of questionable origin.


Comes from a guy who quoted Daily Fail in the OP. Every single german member on this thread has debunked everything your OP claims. GERMANY IS NOT UNDER SIEGE. But no,you made this thread so likeminded could star and flag,bash muslims and whatnot. You are not interested in opinios different than yours and facts provided . Once again,i invite you..come to Germany, ill buy a beer or two. Lets visit a refugee camp,talk to people who are there..you'll change your mind. Peace


"Every single German member of this thread..."

Wrong! Read the thread. Many are disagreeing with you.

But instead of relying on that fact, I will use the same method of response to your above statement as I received to mine.

"How do you know they are German? For that matter, how do I know you are? Anonymous posts on a public forum...Anecdotal opinion. Thats the best you can come up with? Show me some real evidence with cited references and links. Prove "every single German on this thread has debunked" anything, or that they are even German."
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posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Lmao! You just helped me make my case because those areas in the U.S are turd World cesspools like you got over there.

Try educating yourself, nobody ever suggested that the invasion of hordes has not reached our shores.

So lets not fabricate arguements that nobody ever made, that only makes you look pathetic and desperate. ~$heopleNation


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posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 01:40 PM
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posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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This just in....

I have family in Germany at this very moment. I had asked them to inquire directly of the local citizenry how they feel about the influx of Islamic refugees. Here are the answers they just received. (and no, for the nay sayers, you are not getting their personal information to verify their statements - you are going to have to accept it the same way you expect me to accept your unsupported statements - or if you choose to deny it, just be aware you have also given cause to deny anything you have said here that was not supported by cited references and links)

note - there was a slight language barrier involved here and a guide interpreted

1) These people are animal - they don't belong here.
2) I have suffering for them but I can only do little to help.
3) Not their fault, not my fault. Everyone is hurt but people to blame.
4) My sister was punched and handled (implied sexually). We were warned talking to media could cause more problems.
5) I am not worried about refugees. I am worried those who say refugee but are not.

Some people are worried, some aren't. Some care, some don't. Some have had problems, some haven't.

And that sums it up straight from Germany at 9:00PM (Germany) on 10/1/15.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

4) My sister was punched and handled (implied sexually). We were warned talking to media could cause more problems. 5) I am not worried about refugees. I am worried those who say refugee but are not. Some people are worried, some aren't. Some care, some don't. Some have had problems, some haven't.


And this is the entire problem. Those that are removed from the situation and who have not been directly affected, generally are not worried, don't care or don't believe. It is so easy to reject or ignore the cries of others when you are far away, and don't have to see their pain or hear their cries.

I live in the country by choice. The old saying that you can take the girl out of the country, but you can't take the country out of the girl is true, about me anyway. I tried living in the city. It felt strange and unnatural. For me, high rise buildings are for ants, not for people. Of course that is just sheer personal preference, but when large groups of people live in small very close spaces, they become dehumanized to a degree. To get along with your neighbors you have to sometimes make them invisible.

We each have to have a certain amount of personal space. We become extremely protective of that space the more it is encroached upon. Sometimes that space has to be mentally protected and the easiest way to do that is to turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to what is actually going on around you. Sometimes to survive you have to lie to yourself and to others.

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posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 03:47 PM
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a reply to: PapagiorgioCZ

Yes! You nailed it. Try promoting transhumanism without indirectly promoting eugenics. This is the game plan I believe. Fascism on the rise, the new alternative conservative movements are being set up. We're arguing about yesterdays game, they're already molding the next dialectic. The out of control political correctness that is only getting more and more outrageous, these two movements will feed off each other in a vicious circle that'll spiral out of control with radicalism on both sides.

Let's see how wild things get. I'll have my popcorn.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 04:00 PM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

Yes. Send them all to North America, it's the melting pot anyway right? Send 5 million to the US, 2 million to Mexico and 2 million to Canada.

Since California have no problems with third world diasporas(Gran Torino & the story of MS-13 comes to mind), let's send 2 million there. Ain't no thing.

You've got a whole continent. We've only got a severely malformed super peninsula. Hell, you could fit that many people in Texas, that would work out great.



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 04:00 PM
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Wtf. First you write this :


originally posted by: Vroomfondel
"How do you know they are German? For that matter, how do I know you are? Anonymous posts on a public forum...Anecdotal opinion. Thats the best you can come up with? Show me some real evidence with cited references and links. Prove "every single German on this thread has debunked" anything, or that they are even German."


Than you write this:



originally posted by: Vroomfondel
This just in....

I have family in Germany at this very moment. I had asked them to inquire directly of the local citizenry how they feel about the influx of Islamic refugees. Here are the answers they just received. (and no, for the nay sayers, you are not getting their personal information to verify their statements - you are going to have to accept it the same way you expect


Lol. You dont believe in personal accounts,yet you use them yourself !!! Ofcourse you suddenly have family in Germany. Funny how you didnt tell us that earlier in this thread.[snipped]



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion

Daily Fail, chuckle away!



Great post, I'll pay the first round of beer for everyone who accompanies us on that little trip.



Are you from Hungary my friend ? Guess it will be just us drinking beer...lets read some Quran and make plans how to spread Sharia law in Europe while we are at it. Lol



posted on Oct, 1 2015 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

Lol. You dont believe in personal accounts,yet you use them yourself !!! Ofcourse you suddenly have family in Germany. Funny how you didnt tell us that earlier in this thread.now,[SNIPPED]


Hey guess what. Lots of middle class Americans like to visit Germany. I myself was there for a week 6 weeks ago and drove 4 laps on the famous Nurburgring as well as visiting Koln (Cologne), MochenGladbach, and Dusseldorf. My group of friends drove via Dover/Calais. Oh and guess who was in Germany on a Viking riverboat cruise less than a week later?? My parents and aunt/uncle.

Oh and my wife is 1/2 German so uncle Karl and uncle Horst live there permanently.

Ive been in Germany I think 11times in the past 7years, from Munich to Hamburg, Frankfurt to Berlin and dozens of cities between. In that short period of time Ive seen Germany change for the worse, but when I hear my uncles talk about it, they say its really gone to crap from about the late 90's and the adoption of the Euro. This is from real Germans who grew up post-war and embrace mainstream European socialism.


I just missed the immigration wave when I came back to Britain but the port at Calais was a freakin disaster in action when we were there.

My parents/aunt/uncle say they didn't see much outside the guided town tours and watching the countryside floating past from the beautiful German rivers, but they also flew back to Florida Aug 22nd I think.





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