Germany in a state of SIEGE

a reply to: intrptr

And by crap, you mean rundown because nobody can pay the rent let alone own a home, the niceness having turned to dirt and bars on windows to protect against thieves that can no longer get a meager salary to afford the basics and healthcare and let alone stay sane? You know poverty is not because of peoples cultures its because this countries government has turned everyones life to slavery and debt, so drugs and drink become the only vacation. Yah, its a mess, no exaggeration.

Our government is extremely proficient at this. They did their kindergarten training with my Native American ancestors. Do a quick search on life on the Native American reservations. They graduated from inner city ghettos to the destruction of middle class America. It will not be long before it will all come tumbling down.

It is all part of the plan. We have been played.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

During my Outdoors Phase, I had Native American friends that described life on those reservations in the Dakotas and New Mexico. I also cringe at some of the stuff I have read and seen on documentaries online.

Let alone generally what the uS did to the Natives they encountered and decimated. Its one of those stains on the record that nobody wants to pay much heed to.

It is all part of the plan. We have been played.

As far as Native Americans, except for the Casinos, they are sequestered and impoverished still. The rest of America is reduced to undereducated, underemployed serfdom, peasants, and debtors.

They can scratch out a living and pay the oligarchs every penny they earn just to survive.

Generally so tired and less studious than former generations, they are increasingly kept in dire straits so they can't unite and fight back.

Fine balance there between eternal, indentured servitude and revolt.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

They should open up the toy box and give them a little bit of a loss of contrast sensitivity

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

WE have guns here for things like that,we don't just watch.

Since people can move around and migrate, economic and cultural problems in other parts of the world can become your problem.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: intrptr
I live in California over a half a century. This state is migrant central for all cultures and nationalities.

We have assimilated large communities of Latino, Vietnamese, Chinese and Indians (India), to name a few. California hasn't self destructed.

Assimilation doesn't happen overnight, it takes time.

What does happen right way is locals clamoring loudly about foreigners…

Well hells bells member states of NATO, you destroyed their respective countries, what'd you expect?

I think you will find more than a few people who will argue whether California has self destructed or not... It lost a lot of its luster over the years and it doesn't look like it is getting any shinier any time soon.

And lets face it, California assimilated Christians, not muslims. Take half of the latino's and turn them into muslims and lets see what California looks like then.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

Uh huh...embarrassing...

Hungarian police say a Syrian man has been placed under preliminary arrest suspected of taking part in a riot on the border with Serbia, entering the country illegally and being a member of a group used as a front by Islamic extremists.

Police said Tuesday that the 39-year-old resident of Cyprus identified only as Ahmed H. was detained and questioned on Sept. 19.

Police said the suspect acknowledged being at the Roszke 2 border crossing during clashes in which Hungarian police used water cannons and tear gas to drive back migrants trying to break through a gate on the border.

Police said it had been informed through international law enforcement cooperation that the suspect is a member of Tabligh Jamaat, which it claims is "a cover organization used by terrorist groups to get radical people into certain target countries."

(emphasis added)

USNEWS VIA AP

Let me guess...its just one guy so why all the fuss...and I bet he is the only one...and I bet USNEWS and AP are rags that skew your view of people and the world...got it...

You have done a lot backpaddeling in this thread,starting with claims that Germany is under siege,hoards of muslim men raping and pillaging to end it with one guy getting arrested in Hungary because he is linked to a radical organisation. No one on this thread,including myself, has ever claimed that there are no fringe elements among hundreds of thousands refugees,but you cant judge hundreds of thousands by the actions of a few. Thats like if i told you that all you americans are gun toating savages everytime someone shoots up a school,movie theater or a church. Would that be fair ?

originally posted by: Isurrender73
a reply to: Vroomfondel

How would they be dealt with if they weren't immigrants?

How would WHO be dealt with if not immigrants??

People from other countries who don't know the language or culture?

Um... do you realize the word for that is-----> IMMIGRANT ????


Why the hell is it our job in the west to PAY MONEY to feed, clothe, house, educate, incarcerate or anything else???


Because one groups of people managed their business better than other groups of people, now the better-planning, harder-working, overall more industrious, technologic and advanced societies are supposed to DO EVERYTHING for other people, up to and including DECIMATE THEMSELVES????

Yes please come take everything we ever built and have it for free!!!! Is there anything else I can do for you??? Perhaps I could murder my whole family and then slit my wrists for your convenience and to provide you with a house and a car ?????




ARE YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY THIS INSANE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

originally posted by: Bluntone22
So I can go to a foreign country and force my beliefs on the locals?
Seems rude..

How is that any different than the all too embarrassing western imperialism depicted by usually a western (NATO) solider talking loudly and slowly in their own toung to a Muslim in a country which they invaded militarily? Have westerners not gone into Muslim countries and beat and raped them for not being aligned with Western countries?

I'm not trying to be smug or a smartass either. I'm genuinely interested in debate on this.

Perhaps this really IS an invasion and...maybe a sort of passive occupation of Europe/West?

The Pentagon has released papers detailing the real threat of a soft invasion by Islam. If I can find them, I will post them.

Edit: so it was a 6 month civilian/military study of the threat of Sharia to the US/ the West.

I believe you can download the book for free. From their site.

Shariah The Threat





Ultimately I think this is the crux of it all. Sharia law.

I don't care who you pray to or what you choose to wear, if anything at all. Just as long as you don't come into my house and tell me how to live, I will let you live how you choose and avoid you if need be.

So long as Democrazy and state building continues, I believe there will always be the threat of Sharia law on Western shores.

a reply to: Sparkymedic

I spoke a bit about my concerns in this regard in another thread.

If I was a sci-fi writer, I would have all the ingredients for a super blockbuster; right down to re-terra forming California and a few more states into a more familiar and hospitable landscape. Cut the country in half. Place super troops and advanced weaponry along the no go zones. Release the swarm.

Escape From New York would look like a vacation flick.

Of course I am being dramatic, but I do feel suspicions of a shady and corrupt government fiddling behind the curtains, and they are so darn good at deceiving us. They are even better at playing us.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: 8675309jenny



Why the hell is it our job in the west to PAY MONEY to feed, clothe, house, educate...

I will tell you a secret....The secret to America's greatness...and yes, we are still great despite all our warts, flaws and issues..all of which our democracy demands we shout about as loudly as possible.

Thousands of years ago smith's that knew the secret of steel where considered near magicians.

Their knowledge decided the fates of wars and nations.

Alloys are stronger than pure metal. Steel is stronger than Iron. It is in the mixture, the diversity, that greater strength derives.

That is why America has always been strong.

That is why we have always been leading innovation in the world.

That is why we are called the "Melting Pot"...Because an alloy is stronger than steel.

We have always been a nation of people fleeing other countries..
or as Bill Murray put it in the Movie Stripes
"That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts!"

It was the rest of the worlds drive to "Purify" and homogenize their nations...in ethnicity, religion, politics etc. that led to the USA. The surprise was that in less than 150 years we became the most powerful force on planet earth.

That is why we say...
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

It is not some liberal idea...it is not just a moral statement...it is a strategy that has made the USA the most powerful nation in the world (yes...warts and all).

Poor, tired, hungry?....Grit, hard working, tough as nails.

Huddled masses? Yearning to breathe free?....Grateful, dedicated, patriotic...will fight to death for their new home.

An alloy is stronger than steel....Diversity of thought, religion, culture, race etc. has always been our secret weapon and secret strength.

Immigration? Refugees? They are the sustenance of the free world. The root of the USA's success.

We have taken mass waves of Asians, Germans, Italians, Hispanics, Irish ad infinium...and each time grew stronger and more dominant in the world.

Intolerance vs. tolerance....purity vs. diversity...is not a simple moral argument...it is the answer to Nations success and failure...it is the secret to what is great about the USA.

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

Uh huh...embarrassing...

Hungarian police say a Syrian man has been placed under preliminary arrest suspected of taking part in a riot on the border with Serbia, entering the country illegally and being a member of a group used as a front by Islamic extremists.

Police said Tuesday that the 39-year-old resident of Cyprus identified only as Ahmed H. was detained and questioned on Sept. 19.

Police said the suspect acknowledged being at the Roszke 2 border crossing during clashes in which Hungarian police used water cannons and tear gas to drive back migrants trying to break through a gate on the border.

Police said it had been informed through international law enforcement cooperation that the suspect is a member of Tabligh Jamaat, which it claims is "a cover organization used by terrorist groups to get radical people into certain target countries."

(emphasis added)

USNEWS VIA AP

Let me guess...its just one guy so why all the fuss...and I bet he is the only one...and I bet USNEWS and AP are rags that skew your view of people and the world...got it...

You have done a lot backpaddeling in this thread,starting with claims that Germany is under siege,hoards of muslim men raping and pillaging to end it with one guy getting arrested in Hungary because he is linked to a radical organisation. No one on this thread,including myself, has ever claimed that there are no fringe elements among hundreds of thousands refugees,but you cant judge hundreds of thousands by the actions of a few. Thats like if i told you that all you americans are gun toating savages everytime someone shoots up a school,movie theater or a church. Would that be fair ?

First, I don't backpedal. Those are not my claims. I reported what I found because it was interesting and I could see how it could be happening and had not seen it here on ATS. The reports and fears of rape, (I made no mention of pillaging but its a nice dramatic tool, fiction, but very dramatic), are real. Local women are being told to dress more conservatively so they don't provoke the immigrants. Two months in and already the locals have to change THEIR behavior, not the immigrants. There are multiple sources citing rape and violence among the refugees. Its much more than one man. I selected that one because he is exemplary of exactly what so many are afraid of. He is not a refugee from Syria. He is not an economical opportunist trying to get a short trip to a better life. He is part of an organized effort to migrate radicalized muslims into target countries.

These radicalized muslims are the people who behead the infidels or burn them alive. And you have the nerve to say Americans are gun toting savages?

You are entitled to your opinion. But my opinion is you will rot in hell for it.

Have a nice day.

Germany forgot the first rule of life...no good deed will go unpunished. Just wait til Merkel starts jailing her citizens for not complying with the demands the vermin make. Don't wait to become the same as the USA, where the citizens are now second class and the invaders are treated like citizens.

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: 8675309jenny



Why the hell is it our job in the west to PAY MONEY to feed, clothe, house, educate...

I will tell you a secret....The secret to America's greatness...and yes, we are still great despite all our warts, flaws and issues..all of which our democracy demands we shout about as loudly as possible.

Thousands of years ago smith's that knew the secret of steel where considered near magicians.

Their knowledge decided the fates of wars and nations.

Alloys are stronger than pure metal. Steel is stronger than Iron. It is in the mixture, the diversity, that greater strength derives.

That is why America has always been strong.

That is why we have always been leading innovation in the world.

That is why we are called the "Melting Pot"...Because an alloy is stronger than steel.

We have always been a nation of people fleeing other countries..
or as Bill Murray put it in the Movie Stripes
"That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts!"

It was the rest of the worlds drive to "Purify" and homogenize their nations...in ethnicity, religion, politics etc. that led to the USA. The surprise was that in less than 150 years we became the most powerful force on planet earth.

That is why we say...
“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

It is not some liberal idea...it is not just a moral statement...it is a strategy that has made the USA the most powerful nation in the world (yes...warts and all).

Poor, tired, hungry?....Grit, hard working, tough as nails.

Huddled masses? Yearning to breathe free?....Grateful, dedicated, patriotic...will fight to death for their new home.

An alloy is stronger than steel....Diversity of thought, religion, culture, race etc. has always been our secret weapon and secret strength.

Immigration? Refugees? They are the sustenance of the free world. The root of the USA's success.

We have taken mass waves of Asians, Germans, Italians, Hispanics, Irish ad infinium...and each time grew stronger and more dominant in the world.

Intolerance vs. tolerance....purity vs. diversity...is not a simple moral argument...it is the answer to Nations success and failure...it is the secret to what is great about the USA.

That is a very moving dissertation that reflects the wonder of a society that comes together as one. Unfortunately, you completely left out a few key elements. Like, islam does not want to blend in, adopt our ways, and become part of America. They do not assimilate. History has shown that time and time again. Their culture demands that they destroy all who do not submit to Islam. Period.

And on the subject of immigration making us great, they were referring to legal immigration by people who wanted to become Americans and be part of the system and work together.

No country was ever made great by people sneaking across its borders under the cover of darkness. Many countries have been destroyed that way. But none made great.

originally posted by: tmeister182
Germany forgot the first rule of life...no good deed will go unpunished. Just wait til Merkel starts jailing her citizens for not complying with the demands the vermin make. Don't wait to become the same as the USA, where the citizens are now second class and the invaders are treated like citizens.

I don't have the quotes in front of me at the moment, but I saw several articles last night where government at the local levels where a lot of the refugees are being moved are telling merkel that the influx was grossly underestimated and they are in no way prepared for or able to deal with the logistics or absorb the cost of this [siege] as one man put it.

originally posted by: Dfairlite

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: intrptr
I live in California over a half a century. This state is migrant central for all cultures and nationalities.

We have assimilated large communities of Latino, Vietnamese, Chinese and Indians (India), to name a few. California hasn't self destructed.

Assimilation doesn't happen overnight, it takes time.

What does happen right way is locals clamoring loudly about foreigners…

Well hells bells member states of NATO, you destroyed their respective countries, what'd you expect?

I think you will find more than a few people who will argue whether California has self destructed or not... It lost a lot of its luster over the years and it doesn't look like it is getting any shinier any time soon.

And lets face it, California assimilated Christians, not muslims. Take half of the latino's and turn them into muslims and lets see what California looks like then.

You drew the comparison to California, not me. But you said it yourself. California assimilated Christians, not muslims. If it were muslims, things would be very different indeed. Think about it.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

That is a very moving dissertation that reflects the wonder of a society that comes together as one. Unfortunately, you completely left out a few key elements. Like, islam does not want to blend in, adopt our ways, and become part of America.

Just like the Irish!! The USA took 1.5 Million of them between 1855 and 1865...

Your rhetoric is tired, nothing new...and frankly boring on the scale of BS...Not interested..

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: tmeister182
Germany forgot the first rule of life...no good deed will go unpunished. Just wait til Merkel starts jailing her citizens for not complying with the demands the vermin make. Don't wait to become the same as the USA, where the citizens are now second class and the invaders are treated like citizens.

I don't have the quotes in front of me at the moment, but I saw several articles last night where government at the local levels where a lot of the refugees are being moved are telling merkel that the influx was grossly underestimated and they are in no way prepared for or able to deal with the logistics or absorb the cost of this [siege] as one man put it.

And this is why I have so much trouble accepting it as just an open mouth, insert foot, error.

Before you decide to invite a group to dinner, you check what you have, you plan your menu, you determine what you need and acquire the necessities if it is doable.

If you get to the pantry and it is bare, and you have no funds to fill it, you don't invite people to dinner.

If people show up anyway, and you explain there is nothing to share, you don't then apologize, give them the key to your house and go live in the streets. Some things are just not adding up.

One of the sayings that my grandmother used to say all the time, that I am starting to use myself more frequently is, "You can't get blood from a turnip".

This is only going to get worse as this is part of an ethnic replacement plan.The European governments want them to enter Europe at all costs which i believe will lead to civil war.

originally posted by: Hyperia
a reply to: Vroomfondel

A little bird whispered in my ear it's gonna triple

And you can't do anything about it, learn the first rule of humanity, share.

Your view of humanity must be a warped one.
When people are openly saying they want to kill you, rape your women and changed your way of life, the only rule is survival.Unless i misunderstood you.

originally posted by: intrptr
I live in California over a half a century. This state is migrant central for all cultures and nationalities.

We have assimilated large communities of Latino, Vietnamese, Chinese and Indians (India), to name a few. California hasn't self destructed.

Assimilation doesn't happen overnight, it takes time.

What does happen right way is locals clamoring loudly about foreigners…

Well hells bells member states of NATO, you destroyed their respective countries, what'd you expect?

California is predicted to be the first state to fall.There is so much racism, murder, rape and Mexicans kicking other ethnics out of their neighbourhoods that it sounds lke hell there.