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Germany in a state of SIEGE

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posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 02:48 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

The reason I have posted is because I am sick and tired of the racist/ignorant posts posted on here ... Daily Mail is a racist hate mongering rag mag and not worth wiping my rear with!
Anyone who reads that rubbish will have their mind poisoned or brainwashed if you like to believe what they write is the truth...which it certainly isn't.

Also, you are turning the biggest mass emigration the world has seen since WW2 into a bashing thread of the most vulnerable people in the world today, you simply can not understand their plight.

Picking isolated incidents and turning them into the norm, using them in scaremongering propaganda are tactics the MSM use to control public opinion, please don't fall for this bull.

There is crime in every modern society, some worse than others but it happens everywhere, especially in more desperate situations...Not just where and when the DM says so

Best thing for you to do is never ever read the Daily Mail ...IMHO

Read my sig at the bottom...that was said about 2400+ years ago and nothing has changed




posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 02:49 PM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
a reply to: Vroomfondel

You have german members of ATS who are in the middle of the so called "siege" denying everything your OP claims. You cant solve a problem by providing false information to begin with. Sure there are some fringe elements among those refugees,but i bet that in agroup of 100,000 brits or americans you would find few rapists,peadophiles,criminals etc.aswell.


There are also german people here who are saying they are witnessing it first hand.


Your standard of proof is anonymous posters on the internet?

uhhh...OK

Please direct me to the posts in this thread you are referring to.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
a reply to: Vroomfondel

You have german members of ATS who are in the middle of the so called "siege" denying everything your OP claims. You cant solve a problem by providing false information to begin with. Sure there are some fringe elements among those refugees,but i bet that in agroup of 100,000 brits or americans you would find few rapists,peadophiles,criminals etc.aswell.


There are also german people here who are saying they are witnessing it first hand.


Your standard of proof is anonymous posters on the internet?

uhhh...OK

Please direct me to the posts in this thread you are referring to.


Apparently that is all the standard anyone needs to oppose... And find them yourself. I am not your tour guide.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: zerozero00
a reply to: Vroomfondel

The reason I have posted is because I am sick and tired of the racist/ignorant posts posted on here ... Daily Mail is a racist hate mongering rag mag and not worth wiping my rear with!
Anyone who reads that rubbish will have their mind poisoned or brainwashed if you like to believe what they write is the truth...which it certainly isn't.

Also, you are turning the biggest mass emigration the world has seen since WW2 into a bashing thread of the most vulnerable people in the world today, you simply can not understand their plight.

Picking isolated incidents and turning them into the norm, using them in scaremongering propaganda are tactics the MSM use to control public opinion, please don't fall for this bull.

There is crime in every modern society, some worse than others but it happens everywhere, especially in more desperate situations...Not just where and when the DM says so

Best thing for you to do is never ever read the Daily Mail ...IMHO

Read my sig at the bottom...that was said about 2400+ years ago and nothing has changed



Calling people racist/ignorant IS hate speech. And I am sick and tired of it too. Especially from the people who claim to despise it so much. So STOP IT ALREADY!

You don't like the daily mail. Fine. I get that. I don't care for it either. I acknowledged that the headline was sensational in nature. But I am not so blinded by my agenda that I can not see ANY truth in it as you stated very clearly.

At no time did I engage in or encourage muslim bashing. Noticing and reporting acts they commit is not bashing, it is being honest and observant. You really need to stop asserting the idea that you have achieved some level of understanding that others are not privy to. The only thing you have achieved is a heightened sense of entitlement to act harshly to others under the guise of tolerance. You yourself are being more intolerant than you are accusing me of being. But your heightened sense of understanding has completely and totally failed to grasp that simple concept. You are more guilty of hate speech toward me than I am of hate speech toward anyone else.

Get off your high horse and stop acting like you know better than anyone/everyone else. You don't.
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posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

Actually is validity behind the stories of the biggest mass exodus since WW war, we are all been affected by it, no only EU people are worry about this exodus, the reasons are obvious and nobody should downplay them, you treat is valid and is a great topic of discussion.

Sadly it is not until the exodus is over and some years are passed that people will be feeling the results.

We always should weight the bad with the good, because we are all affected one way or the other.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:09 PM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
a reply to: Vroomfondel

You have german members of ATS who are in the middle of the so called "siege" denying everything your OP claims. You cant solve a problem by providing false information to begin with. Sure there are some fringe elements among those refugees,but i bet that in agroup of 100,000 brits or americans you would find few rapists,peadophiles,criminals etc.aswell.


There are also german people here who are saying they are witnessing it first hand.


Your standard of proof is anonymous posters on the internet?

uhhh...OK

Please direct me to the posts in this thread you are referring to.


Apparently that is all the standard anyone needs to oppose... And find them yourself. I am not your tour guide.


You are confused. It is your OP and your claim. It is, in fact, your job to provide evidence. You claimed that this thread has posters (albeit anonymous internet posters) present in Germany that confirm your claims. Would you please provide direction to those posts?

It is your claim, not mine.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: symphonyofblase

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
a reply to: Vroomfondel

You have german members of ATS who are in the middle of the so called "siege" denying everything your OP claims. You cant solve a problem by providing false information to begin with. Sure there are some fringe elements among those refugees,but i bet that in agroup of 100,000 brits or americans you would find few rapists,peadophiles,criminals etc.aswell.


There are also german people here who are saying they are witnessing it first hand. No one sees everything but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I live 15 minutes away from a place where drive-by shootings are a regular event. I have never seen one myself. According to you that means it never happens and anyone who says it does it a hater spewing propaganda. Not true.



Please tell, how do you know they are german?
I am just extremely curious.


Because I do not operate under the assumption that everything in opposition to my view must be a lie or that everything I agree with must be the truth. And I can turn the same line of questioning back on to you. And it leads nowhere. It never does. So why start it unless your plan is to lead this thread nowhere...
edit on 28-9-2015 by Vroomfondel because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:12 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
a reply to: Vroomfondel

You have german members of ATS who are in the middle of the so called "siege" denying everything your OP claims. You cant solve a problem by providing false information to begin with. Sure there are some fringe elements among those refugees,but i bet that in agroup of 100,000 brits or americans you would find few rapists,peadophiles,criminals etc.aswell.


There are also german people here who are saying they are witnessing it first hand.


Your standard of proof is anonymous posters on the internet?

uhhh...OK

Please direct me to the posts in this thread you are referring to.


Apparently that is all the standard anyone needs to oppose... And find them yourself. I am not your tour guide.


You are confused. It is your OP and your claim. It is, in fact, your job to provide evidence. You claimed that this thread has posters (albeit anonymous internet posters) present in Germany that confirm your claims. Would you please provide direction to those posts?

It is your claim, not mine.


I did. They are in this thread. Help yourself. :-)



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: tothetenthpower

Ok, i cannot disagree more with the points you've made about all the bad rich countries that brought this on themselves.

Can we agree that it's not the ones that have made the decision to bomb the hell out of these places that will have to suffer from the attrocities we are talking about in this thread? These people will probably never encounter any of these ill intentionned immigrants (not all immigrants are that way, only a little percentage, i hope).

The people that gonna have to deal with it are average joes like me and presumably you, your wife, kids and friends.

I know you are gonna say : you voted them in so you agree with everything they do or say. NOT! These decisions don't concern the general public as nobody ever asked us if we are for or against these actions, only the fatcats from above the law.

So, please don't put us all in the same basket as our leaders. Like we must not put all Jews accountable for the actions of Israel leaders. Like we should not put all the immigrants from Syria or any middle-eastern country. Every individual is different and most are powerless against their own government.

Peace out.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Actually is validity behind the stories of the biggest mass exodus since WW war, we are all been affected by it, no only EU people are worry about this exodus, the reasons are obvious and nobody should downplay them, you treat is valid and is a great topic of discussion.

Sadly it is not until the exodus is over and some years are passed that people will be feeling the results.

We always should weight the bad with the good, because we are all affected one way or the other.



Exactly. And it sickens me that the knee jerk haters throw words like 'never' and 'always' and 'no one' and 'everyone' around as if it invalidates the actual events themselves. They act like if everyone didn't do it, then no one did. Look at the responses to this thread. It is so painfully obvious that there are some people here who see the problem and are genuinely interested in finding a solution, and there are people here who do nothing but deny, attack, spew hate, and duck the real issues all while claiming to be more sensitive and enlightened than others. It just sickens me.

I am not bashing nor am I encouraging bashing of musims. I would ask my accusers this: have you considered that perhaps you are bashing and hating on everyone who simply observes these acts first hand and reports them honestly? You don't like the source cited. Fine. I really don't care. I don't like it either, but I saw some truth in it and used it as a vehicle to start an intelligent conversation. One in which the intelligent part seems to have escaped the haters and detractors much as it always does. But their inability to see beyond their own warped perception of course translates directly into ignorance and hate on my part. What lovely logic that is. And this from people who seem to demand absolute concrete adherence to some strict guideline of behavior they are obviously excused from.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: Vroomfondel

Problem here is you have no idea what you are talking about...

I hate racists, rapists and murders as much as I hate the MSM and the western governments that cause all of todays problems...You and others here are blaming a group of people for problems that are caused by the All Powerful Elites, just like they want you too!!

"Wake Up And Smell The Coffee" is the saying that sums up your situation

If you think or believe that the MSM is honest and only has your best interest at heart then there is no hope for you and the rest of the sheeple that believe this is the case

Good grief, I really hoped on a mass global awakening but we always seem to take one step forwards and two steps back...

Germany is not under siege, it knows exactly what its doing, its doing the only right thing to do, the rest are not doing enough ...The UK is an absolute joke when it comes to humanitarianism and helping the less fortunate...Jeez, the UK caused the mass emigration in the 1st place with its foreign policy

I feel like I'm banging my head against the wall talking to you so I'm gonna leave this thread here as I'm bored with the scaremongering and racism...Our wife's and daughters will not all get raped by immigrants we are just as safe as we were before Mass Emigration or should I say we are in as much danger as we were before ME!



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:38 PM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel


Because I do not operate under the assumption that everything in opposition to my view must be a lie or that everything I agree with must be the truth. And I can turn the same line of questioning back on to you. And it leads nowhere. It never does.


Where it leads is to a factual examination.

You have provided none..You have the "claim" part down..it is the supporting that claim with facts you seem confused about...and even defensive that anyone would expect the same of you?



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:41 PM
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I'm pretty ignorant on geopolitics, but will give my general beliefs outside of this particular happenstance.

I think we're becoming a global culture with a lot of birthing pangs, and the illusory lines held up more with mindsets than armies are slowly dissolving. It seems to do less good to keep these mindsets of division for all involved parties. In the past it made more sense, in the 21st century less. Still, many of these collective mindsets are centuries behind the next, and it'll take another generation or 3 in the information age before we get through our carried suffering of the needless fighting of the long dead.

Because I take in so little of the propaganda, the best I can see is the allowing of policies for agendas near and far. Long term is a melding of cultures into a global one. Short term is use the tensions for political and economic gain. Might as well, else be used by the next.

I don't think in the long run there's more than two end results, which is growing up as a species and getting along on the same page, else breaking down into regional powers that do little besides trade and have shut borders.

A quick thought: Wasn't all the talk about Germany being the EU economic powerhouse keeping it together? I wonder who would stand to gain by weakening this powerhouse.
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posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: zerozero00
a reply to: Vroomfondel


I hate racists, rapists and murders as much as I hate the MSM and the western governments that cause all of todays problems...


If you think or believe that the MSM is honest and only has your best interest at heart then there is no hope for you and the rest of the sheeple that believe this is the case

Good grief, I really hoped on a mass global awakening but we always seem to take one step forwards and two steps back...

Germany is not under siege, it knows exactly what its doing, its doing the only right thing to do, the rest are not doing enough ...The UK is an absolute joke when it comes to humanitarianism and helping the less fortunate...Jeez, the UK caused the mass emigration in the 1st place with its foreign policy

I feel like I'm banging my head against the wall talking to you so I'm gonna leave this thread here as I'm bored with the scaremongering and racism...Our wife's and daughters will not all get raped by immigrants we are just as safe as we were before Mass Emigration or should I say we are in as much danger as we were before ME!




"...western governments that cause all of todays problems..."
"...Our wife's and daughters will not all get raped by immigrants..."

ALL of todays problems. ALL get raped by immigrants. And you point out how sensational the headline was... ironic...

You keep trying to tie the crimes committed by the immigrants to the actions of governments you blame for the influx of refugees and non-refugee opportunists. Why can you not just address the issue of the horrific crimes being committed by these immigrants? Why do you believe that blaming their circumstances on western governments gives them a pass on the crimes they are committing. Why can you not realize that for every step taken forward, YOU are the two steps back???

Have a nice day.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: pl3bscheese
I'm pretty ignorant on geopolitics, but will give my general beliefs outside of this particular happenstance.

I think we're becoming a global culture with a lot of birthing pangs, and the illusory lines held up more with mindsets than armies are slowly dissolving. It seems to do less good to keep these mindsets of division for all involved parties. In the past it made more sense, in the 21st century less. Still, many of these collective mindsets are centuries behind the next, and it'll take another generation or 3 in the information age before we get through our carried suffering of the needless fighting of the long dead.

Because I take in so little of the propaganda, the best I can see is the allowing of policies for agendas near and far. Long term is a melding of cultures into a global one. Short term is use the tensions for political and economic gain. Might as well, else be used by the next.

I don't think in the long run there's more than two end results, which is growing up as a species and getting along on the same page, else breaking down into regional powers that do little besides trade and have shut borders.

A quick thought: Wasn't all the talk about Germany being the EU economic powerhouse keeping it together? I wonder who would stand to gain by weakening this powerhouse.


I think you make some good observations. I would avoid the word propaganda though. Everyone thinks whatever is said in opposition to their belief is propaganda. If that is the case, then everyone is guilty of spreading propaganda - no exceptions.

I would agree with your assessment of the potential outcomes except for the zealous inflexible nature of islam. Historically speaking, islam has not assimilated into other cultures well. It has on numerous occasions destroyed and engulfed other cultures forging them into images of their own. But peaceful tolerant assimilation is not their strong suit.

More than one source has claimed the violence in the refugee camps is getting worse and the aid workers themselves have said the actual numbers of incidents are not being reported. There are numerous incidents in popular media right now detailing the violence of immigrants against local indigenous people. As their numbers increase, historically speaking, they grow more bold, eventually having sufficient numbers to influence local government. And with increasing boldness comes increased violence. This is not new. Anyone who would deny this is forcing an agenda of their own.

I have said several times in this thread: denial does not lead to a solution. It never has and it never will.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: Hyperia
a reply to: Vroomfondel

A little bird whispered in my ear it's gonna triple
And you can't do anything about it, learn the first rule of humanity, share.



You first. Let them into your home, feed them and clothe them.

Something can definitely be done about it. I guess you're forgetting the muslim expulsions in the middle ages. Looks like Europe needs and is getting a reminder.

A little bird told me that Israel should open its borders.


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posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: pl3bscheese

There is no such thing as a "global culture" and that simply is not what's intended. The extermination of ALL cultures beginning with European culture. I don't want a global anything. Most other people don't either. Live and let live. Of course then the Zionists cannot rule the planet from Greater Israel. Sorry, I'm not buying. We're not talking Star Trek here, just complete global enslavement.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 04:08 PM
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Click to see where some “refugees” are soon to be located in the USA.

www.wrapsnet.org...



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 04:10 PM
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That site you linked to is intolerant uneducated garbage by a Kansas High School dropout.
What on earth are 'Musloids'[?


So, I would consider that you ARE fearmongering.




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